We need some RDA love here.

[ScottWashburn]

Well, we are running into some issues about what is 'canon' and what isn't in the Avatar universe. A lot has been said here and in the hype about the movie (and I think that it also states in the "Avatar Survival Guide") that things are really bad on Earth and that the unobtainium is vital to humanity's survival. Now if that's true, then I side with Imperator and the RDA. As members of the human species we have a duty to survive and if we have to kill some of the Na'vi and destroy some of Pandora in order to survive then that's what we do. There are no moral issues besides survival. Indeed, all morality is based on what's best in order for a society to survive. Just hard luck for the Na'vi. HOWEVER, there is absolutely nothing in the movie that confirms this unobtainium-is-vital-to-Humanity's-survival theory. The only thing that is ever said is when Selfridge states that they are on Pandora because the unobtainium sells for $20,000,000 a kilo. If it were truly a matter of survival I think Selfridge would have reminded Grace of that. So, if it's just about the money, then moral issues do come into play. Is it moral for the RDA to kill members of an intelligent species and steal their land just to make money? Is it moral for Japanese and Norwegian whalers to kill a possibly intelligent species to dismember their bodies to make money? The answer to both questions is no.

So, the RDA is going to be hard-pressed to justify sending a huge military expedition back to Pandora. Especially if the unobtainium can be gotten elsewhere. We have no idea what society or government is like back on Earth in 2154 (2158 by the time they get the news) but if public opinion still has any power at all (and it might, witness what's going on in Egypt right now) there could be a great many people demanding that we leave the Na'vi alone.

[Imperius Dictatio]

Hopefully the RDA doesn't have that free a hand to act as it wishes. I would imagine that in the wake of the disaster on Pandora there would be a lot of governments taking a close look at just what the RDA had been up to. But Imperious is correct: if Humanity wanted to wipe out the Na'vi and were willing to devastate Pandora to do it, there's nothing that the Na'vi or Eywa could do to stop them. I explore this topic in chapter 2 of my "Aftermath" fan fic http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5792082/1/Aftermath

Not overly impressed.
You focus on Nuclear or Bioweapon attacks and ignore the simplicty of just hauling a big *** rock to the drop-site and send it crashing down and bring down the sky.
Overall felt a little to preachy in some areas.
Then their was the further portrayel of "Uber Evil/Heartless/Souless Corporation."
This was made clear with them trying to assassinate the one Researcher....When they simply could have fired her *** and have the same effect.

Then theirs your assumption that asteriod mining is somehow more costly then mining on Pandora....Which makes no sense at all when the asteriods would be pure deposits of the material that could be mined quickly and effienctly.

However this point is moot becuase it seems that Unobtanium is unique to Pandora due to a stellar collision with a mars sized object with pandora and the effect of the magnetic and gravity well of Polyphemus had as the planet developed in the long term.
So no Asteriod mining and no mining on other moons.

Then you dont seem to know how Quantum Comms work....In the fact that One Q-Comm can only talk to another Q-Comm.
So there was no way the RDA would have lost Media Containment. And of course...

The overall public backlash the Public had in regards to the RDA becuase of one short and brief message. That magically was played as soon as it came on despite the RDA controlling the vast majority of the media as well as the fact that how many humans would REALLY give a ****?
How many of them would accept at Face Value what the Na'vi were saying? (When their was a LOT of truth bending and hiding the fact that a Jack was ultimately what screwed the entire operation over by chasing alien Poon rather then trying to hash out a deal....And as soon as things went South instigated all out war when the RDA was quite simply happy to leave the Natives alone? Hell if you were in charge of Operations Dirt-Side what the hell would you consider a massive build-up of Na'vi anything other then an overt military action? Not to mention that aside from the Chief we dont see 'Hundreds' of casulties.)

And then your ignoring that the VAST amount of people are suddenly finding themselves in a future where their pretty much going to loose their jobs and livelyhoods considering that the biggest Corporation is going to have to start spinning a lot of industries down.
No ones pissed off at the fact that their going to be out of work in a few short months becuase of what was quite literally a minor scuffle with ONE tribe of natives and suddenly nearly every human is booted off? Seriously?

[Imperius Dictatio]

*snip*.

1. Bingo.
Survival here is key.
Though as I've stated before if Cameron was writing the movie logically then their would be little need for Unobtanium for possibly anything other then Space Travel.
Not to mention the Earth being much better then as presented.....And the fact that the Solar System would have massive amounts of Infrastructure and a number of Colonies. (Luna,Mars,Venus, Jovian Moons, The Belt and the Lagrange Points to name a few.) actual Human Population on earth would be actually pretty low as humans slowly spread out. (Imagine the amount of Jobs their would be in the Solar System to help further build Solar Infrastructure and Colonies? Folks would be flocking from Earth.)

Of course Camerons view of Earth is....Well very bad.
Regardless in the context of the movie Unobtanium is considered vital to humanities long term future of Space Exploration. (Long Term Survival of the Species by spreading out.)
And it's short term needs. (Energy needs.)
So getting rid of it is still screwing over millions of humans and dropping the standard of living massivily just becuase of some butt-hurt natives who for possibly the first time in their exsistence had to be INCONVEINCED for the sake of millions to upwards billions of other Life-Forms, didnt like getting kicked out of their tree....And then have the situation spiral out of control becuase the same guy who didnt tell the Na'vi about the humans arriving or tried doing the job assigned. (Serving as a Deal-Broker.) decided it'd be best for some reason to kick all the humans off-world so he can look good in front of the Dead Chiefs duaghter and get back in her loincloth.

Also on the Grace thing? She was a Scientist with a very narrow field of XENOBOTANY! Meaning in her mind the deluded mass of humans could go **** themselves becuase damnit! She's busy studying tree's on an alien planet to care about anything else then the Xeno-Flora and the Aliens!
She comes across as competant in science but if you think as a Researcher she'd care about much outside her work then your probably giving her a little to much credit.

2. A military expedition is a little out there due to the logistical problems.
But that can be mitigated by long term planning and a build up of forces in the Alpha Centauri System.

Start building orbital colonies in the system and build up the forces needed for the mission.
The solar system is filled with natural materials and Colonies could be built there to house a human population if needed.

Also I dont see an populist uprising like the one seen in Egypt happening becuase
1. Who the **** REALLY cares if some natives were killed?
2. The fact that the natives are Xenophobic pricks is sorta hard to ignore.
3. There are going to be millions to billions of humans affected in a very bad way becuase the na'vi closed the only source of Magic Metal to the humans off...Becuase we knocked over a single freaking tree. Most humans are likely going to be ****ing pissed off at the aliens if anything.

[KifkeyCrunchies]

Imperius, I agree with just about everything you just said.
However, I feel that I must A: state emphatically that I think that most of the mind-boggling stupidity in the film was due to stereotyping of Humanity and Eywa slowly brainwashing Jake in order to carry out her demented whims.

And B: I would like to once again proffer my rewrite attempt to the fan community, this time to the resident Humano-philes (As I tend to be within acceptable limits.)

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6291316/...he_Eye_can_See

In this version, everything is a lot more ambiguous.

[Txim-mah]

The only good use for greedy RDA/SecOps mercenaries is as a pincushion for Na'vi arrows.

The talk and discussion of Na'vi genocide makes me a little sick. Personally, I'd rather die then live off the blood of innocent people. Or better yet, come up with a peaceful, alternative solution, or live like the Na'vi and avoid that scenario altogether.

And the Na'vi are perfectly justified in defending their homes. The humans weren't going to stop at Hometree, they were going to come "like a rain that never ends", to quote the movie. The Na'vi were indeed fighting for their survival.

When do we get to decide that its justified to kill another people to aid our own survival, in a situation that we wouldn't be in if we had half the respect the Na'vi did for life?

Hopefully the remaining good people back on Earth can kick the RDA in the backside and sort out a peaceful solution for Pandora. No, there is no love that the RDA will be receiving from me.

And did I miss something? What was supposedly stupid or illogical about the movie?

[tm20]

let's forget about the corporate side of the RDA and focus on the mercenaries for a sec, i love them because they make for good target practice massacaring them in the game + listening to death metsal = lots of fun :D get's you into the mood. it would be cool though if your Avatar was able to use grenades or had a grenade launcher, it would be so fun

one thing i realized is that despite the number of people who are against the mercenaries, not a single person has mentioned ways of getting rid of them, can't believe it. this could become a new game
-feed to thanator, toruk or banshee
-drop them into a pit of viperwolves
-drop them into a rotating helicopter blade
-cover them in the sticky sap and light on fire
-eaten alive by the Na'vi
-tied and thrown under a hell truck or dozer and squashed
-arrow through the exopack, into the eye socket
-thrown into chalice plant and they will be slowly digested alive
-eaten alive by slinger
-face melted off by scorpion thistle acid
-splattered by bloated stem spore
-kicked off floating mountain (300 style :D)
-dismembered with you bare hands in your Avatar (because those Avatars are pretty strong O_O)
waits for RDA fan boy to reply, describing how each of these wouldn't be possible XD

[Txim-mah]

one thing i realized is that despite the number of people who are against the mercenaries, not a single person has mentioned ways of getting rid of them, can't believe it. this could become a new game

Sounds fun

-Getting sat on by Hammerhead
-Putting them between Grace and her cigarette
-Farting in their exopacks

[Sanjwale]

no RDA love here. only neylove

why? you wouldn't like it if some weird red peoples are comming to our earth to take something what is in the ground. and shooting people....

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

let's forget about the corporate side of the RDA and focus on the mercenaries for a sec, i love them because they make for good target practice massacaring them in the game + listening to death metsal = lots of fun :D get's you into the mood. it would be cool though if your Avatar was able to use grenades or had a grenade launcher, it would be so fun

one thing i realized is that despite the number of people who are against the mercenaries, not a single person has mentioned ways of getting rid of them, can't believe it. this could become a new game
-feed to thanator, toruk or banshee
-drop them into a pit of viperwolves
-drop them into a rotating helicopter blade
-cover them in the sticky sap and light on fire
-eaten alive by the Na'vi
-tied and thrown under a hell truck or dozer and squashed
-arrow through the exopack, into the eye socket
-thrown into chalice plant and they will be slowly digested alive
-eaten alive by slinger
-face melted off by scorpion thistle acid
-splattered by bloated stem spore
-kicked off floating mountain (300 style :D)
-dismembered with you bare hands in your Avatar (because those Avatars are pretty strong O_O)
waits for RDA fan boy to reply, describing how each of these wouldn't be possible XD

^THIS.....HELL YEAHHH!!!! to all of the above ways to show some 'love' to the RDA/Secops barbarians. i'm trying to think up some more ecologically-friendly ways to introduce our RDA/Secops baddies to the afterlife...brb

[ScottWashburn]

Imperious,

I really have to ask: did you like the movie "Avatar" by James Cameron? And if so, why?