Is it right to hate on those who do not want to ditch the humans in Avatar?

[Ketchum]

I mean we all know the deal, they want to go to Pandora to get the Unobtainium and it is earth's main energy resource.
Yes we, humans lead ourselves to the resource depletion back on earth and now going to invade a lush alien world. It's completely understandable that people will side with the Na'vi because its their home and the humans came in.

But not all of us sided with the na'vi not all of us wanted to do what Sully did. I mean does that mean that we intentionally want to always pick the bad guys cause they are the cool ones, or just to break off from everybody else. No, I mean me, I do agree that we would destroy our world with greed, and war but I am not willing to ditch humanity, people who are just trying to make a living, people with families even if our world is hit the overpopulated, fully industrial, polluted, resource depleted, Scorched earth. But they don't deserve to rot because of the mistakes that we made, and if there is a piece of hope to keep the U.S. economy or in fact all of earth's countries' economies stable, I am taking it.

So yes I am with the RDA SecOps.

[ScottWashburn]

For me it is not just the RDA's greed as its arrogance. They had been mining there for many years and aside from some skirmishing with the Na'vi there had never been any really serious trouble. So coexitistance IS possible. But year by year the RDA came to believe it could do anything it wanted and there never would be any trouble it couldn't handle. Pandora is a big planet and there must be dozens of other locations where rich unobtainium deposits could be found where there would be no conflict with the Na'vi at all. But the RDA decided that it would rather destroy the Omaticaya's home and kill a bunch of them (there was never any doubt that there would be some serious casualties despite Quaritch's statement about minimal casualties) rather than go to the extra trouble and expense of finding a non-conflicting location. The RDA wasn't fighting for Earth's people or its economy, it was fighting for a bigger profit margin and it was so arrogant as to believe that no one could stop them. THAT is what makes them the bad guys for me.

[Ketchum]

Well yea, of course if everybody wants a certain resource they are going to pay alot for it. I mean its logical, and when you have time ticking espiecally that it takes 5 years? was it to get to pandora to earth then you have alot of pressure.
I mean you and I know for a fact, that if earth was invaded by aliens, Col Quaritch and his men would fight against the invaders.
Col Quaritch would definitively fight for all the right reasons in Afghan or Iraq if he was here, I mean you have to understand his character has been through wars, and has alot more experience in the Marine Corps. than Sully.
I mean we never know what Quaritch is fighting for really except for that he likes it., I mean if he was there for the money I would assume he has been their for quite some time. and if Quaritch wasn't fighting for humanity what was the point of him saying "how does it feel to betray your own race" So he is and same with alot of the soldiers, are all war-torn and are put in a spot of either their is "you and your team and then their is them"
I mean I take Avatar as the U.S. Military in the indian wars. I never thought the Indians that resisted against were bad, and I never thought the U.S. Calvary were bad, I would help the U.S.
And this is a non-government corporation in the film, who is selling a resource to humans, shareholders, governments.
I mean you can't really blame the soldiers for being close minded you need to be that way to stay strong on your side, even if they are fighting for money. But if James Cameron really wanted to show the humans as like full on bad, he could of.
I mean here lets compare the MNU Mercenaries from District 9 to the RDA jarheads, and to tell you the truth the RDA jarheads, are no where close as worse as the MNU Mercenaries.
Cameron could of shown them as your brutal people, but honestly you only see them a couple of times, In the beginning, and in the end. And really only 2 soldiers spoke, and yet in total had only a small amount of lines

You check this out meels on wheels
Aw man that is just wrong
Your the man doc
Yea baby you ready to get some

the rest just carried on like :roger, firing missiles, contact, etc:

[Tsyal Makto]

In the Survival Guide it states that cloning of Earth's extinct species and the adoption of plants from Pandora could have been used to heal the Earth. The only reason they were mining unobtainium was because of the RDA's thuggish pull on the world economy and governments. It was, in effect, a de facto global corpo-fascist government. Sort of like the thuggish pull of modern oil companies and their influence of the military-industrial complex. There were other homegrown, mutually beneficial solutions, but unobtainium was a chance to "git sum" more money.

It was about profit, plain and simple, and in their bloody search for it they violated the sovereignty of an alien species over their own planet.

I know, I know...I'm a filthy pinko lib-rhul.

[Ahoragi]

I am a human and naturally I'd side with the humans on an alien invasion of some sort but in the Pandora scenario, I have ZERO desire to side with them and I can't fathom why anyone else would. They went about doing whatever they pleased on a planet that was not theirs. They killed living "people", plants, and animals with no remorse. This is not the kind of human behavior I would support and I can't agree with anyone who would support their side. There was always that alternative solution to getting what they needed.

If anyone has the chance to, watch Human Planet's Jungle episode. There's a need for wood and of course we always think of the corporations who just plow down the jungle with machinery and have no regard for the life that lives in there. BUT if you watch it, they show how you can get what you need and at the same time, respect and preserve the natural surroundings. They get the locals to use elephants to haul out large logs which keeps the jungle intact. No roads, no deforestation, no killing of flora or fauna. Look at what the RDA did when they dug that huge mine. Look at what they did to hometree.

Zero respect, zero remorse, zero support from me.

[Ketchum]

Well buddy not all of us are like that, not like all of you. I have no problem with that, I completely understand. But yea, I side with the humans when aliens invade are world. But when it comes to Avatar I am with the humans, because to tell you the truth we have done far more worse things than what they did in Avatar. And well after seeing all the screwed up **** my country the U.S. does and has done, I still love it. We live in a corporate world, and we can't stop it, its just thats how things are.
And to tell you the truth, wars have mainly always been about Land, resource, and money.
Now if someone has no respect towards nature, ok I don't hate them for it, I am not with nature either. Because one thing is for sure, trees, animals are not even compared to human lives.
But RDA bad? they are no where close to bad like Weyland Yutani, Skynet, Umbrella.
RDA just a resource company, and not screwing over humanity. I would happily help fight against Umbrella, Weyland Yutani, and Skynet.

[Tsyal Makto]

Actually, we could stop it if we tried. It's just that the we're all too jacked-up on cheap, foreign-made consumer **** to actually do anything about it. Plus, it would require working outside the system, and few people are ever willing to make that leap.

The original script called the the Na'vi being the miners.

Sound familiar? Hint: Read some Howard Zinn.

Pillaging is still pillaging by any other name (or time or race or planet). And when alternatives existed, the RDA doing to the Na'vi what they did, the invasion of their sovereign world, all in the name of mere profit...unforgivable.

[Scott]

"Captain Ahab must hunt his whale." I'm going to set aside RDA and its agenda and focus on the real motivator of hostilities on Pandora, Col. Miles Quaritch. Like the antagonist of Moby Dick, the Col. had a prideful heart and obsessive mind. He wanted a confrontation with the Na'vi and would do anything to get it, including sacrificing the men under his command. People from time to time come to this forum addressing loyalty to humanity as the original poster here did. Thing is, your not siding with humanity, because Quaritch dose not give a rats *** about anyone! His papa persona and charismatic soldier boy speeches were just another tool to get what he wants...Glory.

With a victory over the Na'vi the Col. could return to earth a hero. Hell, son, I might even run for President.

There was never a human side in the conflict. It was good verse evil.

[HufweMakto]

Actually, we could stop it if we tried. It's just that the we're all too jacked-up on cheap, foreign-made consumer **** to actually do anything about it. Plus, it would require working outside the system, and few people are ever willing to make that leap.

The original script called the the Na'vi being the miners.

Sound familiar? Hint: Read some Howard Zinn.

Pillaging is still pillaging by any other name (or time or race or planet). And when alternatives existed, the RDA doing to the Na'vi what they did, the invasion of their sovereign world, all in the name of mere profit...unforgivable.

Because of this, I'm probably going to check out Howard Zinn, any good books you can recommend, Tsyal?

We do have a large dependancy on technology and resources we cannot replenish naturally. I knew a teacher who once turned off all of the computers in a classroom to make a point about a time in which computers did not exist. In a little less than a few seconds the entire classroom erupted into a kind of chaos, as for most of those people were upset that they could not check up on their Facebook status or their e-mail. For me, it seems almost impossible but I lived without a computer and relied entirely on a typewriter for most of my life until the end of high school, even though everyone at my high school, in my age group had computers and word and photoshop, while I had to do with a typewriter, construction paper, and colored pencils. My family just could not afford one, up until my education demanded computer literacy and access to one so I could write out reports and papers. Now I have a degree which entitles me to digital illustration. I have an account on DA, I am looking towards to Trumblr. I look up articles on Wikipedia and search for images of animals I want to draw on Google. I look through books and cds on Amazon. I check out knitting supplies and works on Etsy. I read fanfic on FF.net. A little less than ten years ago, I could not have imagined myself doing this. I have slowly edged in the digital world, not neccesarily because it was there, but also because it was a nessecary. Now I read about kids who have to fork over money for a tablet computer because their school requires it. I cannot imagine myself in that situation, because when I was in high school, I could not simply afford such a luxury. By no means am I a Luddite, I use a computer, I love using photoshop, but I feel like as a society we have become too dependant on technology to give us some kind of meaning in life. That's why I like using traditional mediums, I took an entire week off to work with colored pencils and markers. I mean, I think people should reconsider that they could live life without much technology.

This can also be applied to Avatar with the RDA using unobtainium namely for grav-lift trains, and not much else; though there are a few people who seem to think unobtainium is some kind of mircle mineral which can solve anything; there is a laughable fafic in which it's used as a cure for some unknown disease. Yeah right, that's the equivilent to saying that swallowing a pill made of alluminum is good for your body. The thing is, it isn't. In fact mining it can cause you to have tremors and neurological problems, according to the guide. The sad truth of this matter is it's all in the name of profit and little else. There's just no real validity to liking a corporation that relies entirely on the profit of a mineral rather the salvation of a planet they could be helping, like bringing over some of the plants of Pandora to take away the toxins in the soil.

[Tsyal Makto]

"A Peoples History of the United States" is a good place to start. He talks quite extensively about the treatment of the Caribbean natives at the hands of Columbus.