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A reason why Quaritch might be back.

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    Default A reason why Quaritch might be back.

    If you look at Avatar and the character of Quaritch the right way. Some see certain parallels between him and the messianic archetype, especially the one of Jesus (I personally don't believe in that kind of stuff). This is mostly for fun, and to point out that Quaritch can be a messianic character as well.

    For one he offered a crippled man the means to walk again (healing the ill), he righteously stuck down those who are in the way of mankind's prosperity (I am playing devil's advocate slightly), he fought against a foreign god who is many and who unleashed its minions on man (I am Legion for we are many), he died for mankind or for a higher cause (debatable, but I think he actually saw unobtanium as important to mankind), and he was struck down by the actions of a traitor (remind you of anything? Also I am only pointing out that Jake is a traitor and not asessing the morality of his actions), and finally he came down from the sky aflame in one scene (think about that for a second).

    So if you place all of the pieces together than you get the conclusion that Quaritch may be a messiah-type character and thus logically he would have to return.
    "A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. " -John F. Kennedy

    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Wilhem Nietzsche

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    I must admit, this is the first time I have seen the term "messianic" associated with Quaritch's name. I suppose I could see some of the parallels, but personally I am not convinced. That being said, I really liked the Quaritch character and would love to see him return, if only to help drive the plot (he just oozes danger and unsettlement). But honestly I don't see the logic as to why he should return.

    BTW, when you say "some see certain parallels between him and the messianic archetype", who are these "some"? I'm not trying to debate this point, I'm just genuinely curious because, as I said, I have never really heard these arguments before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by This one goes to eleven View Post
    I must admit, this is the first time I have seen the term "messianic" associated with Quaritch's name. I suppose I could see some of the parallels, but personally I am not convinced. That being said, I really liked the Quaritch character and would love to see him return, if only to help drive the plot (he just oozes danger and unsettlement). But honestly I don't see the logic as to why he should return.

    BTW, when you say "some see certain parallels between him and the messianic archetype", who are these "some"? I'm not trying to debate this point, I'm just genuinely curious because, as I said, I have never really heard these arguments before.
    If you look at certain depiction in the bible and other holy books having the divine associated with fire see Ezekial 1:4, Numbers 16:35 "And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.", or when Yaweh begins his killy rampage in Revelations 8:5 where he gets an angel to burn up one third of the Earth. I am an atheist of course, so this is all just working with fiction to me.

    Also we know that divine things in relgion descend from heaven.

    So when Quaritch descends from the skies aflame to smite a tratior to mankind it seems to have some religious signifigance.

    Furthermore according to Christian theology Judas was the most beloved disciple of Jesus and betrayed him (though the theology is out there whether Jesus told Judas to betray him). Quaritch himself saw Jake like a son, and almost seemed to have some fatherly love for him (of course he seemed to love all of his men and women like his own), but I think Jake may have been the closest to a son among his forces; and was ultimately betrayed by him.

    I am mostly doing this for fun, and I don't really think Quaritch well be back, but I think they should explore his messianic qualities in the sequel; where he may have become a martyr for mankind.
    "A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. " -John F. Kennedy

    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Wilhem Nietzsche

    "I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!" - Phil Jones to Michael Mann. July 8, 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaritch Vult! View Post
    If you look at certain depiction in the bible and other holy books having the divine associated with fire see Ezekial 1:4, Numbers 16:35 "And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.", or when Yaweh begins his killy rampage in Revelations 8:5 where he gets an angel to burn up one third of the Earth. I am an atheist of course, so this is all just working with fiction to me.

    Also we know that divine things in relgion descend from heaven.

    So when Quaritch descends from the skies aflame to smite a tratior to mankind it seems to have some religious signifigance.

    Furthermore according to Christian theology Judas was the most beloved disciple of Jesus and betrayed him (though the theology is out there whether Jesus told Judas to betray him). Quaritch himself saw Jake like a son, and almost seemed to have some fatherly love for him (of course he seemed to love all of his men and women like his own), but I think Jake may have been the closest to a son among his forces; and was ultimately betrayed by him.

    I am mostly doing this for fun, and I don't really think Quaritch well be back, but I think they should explore his messianic qualities in the sequel; where he may have become a martyr for mankind.
    1. Ezekial 1:4 is talking about angels appearing before the Prophet Ezekial. Not so much about God.
    2. Got me on Numbers. Good ole fashioned purgation.
    3. Not so much a 'Killy Rampage' and more of Final Jugement.
    4. Not all Divine things mentioned in the bible descend from heaven.
    5. Judas was not a favorite Apostle. In fact Christ never states who was most favored and in one Gospel and arguement breaks out over that very reason.
    6. The Gospel of Judas is Gnostic writing dating to at it's earlist point 200 AD, and is considered Apocrypha. There is also the common dispute to it being mistranslated.

    Anyway if I'd have to guess on how Quaritch would come back I'm going for either Clone,Twin, or pulling a Lazurus Project (ME2. though this is dependent on if they got the body and iced it quick enough.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperius Dictatio View Post
    1. Ezekial 1:4 is talking about angels appearing before the Prophet Ezekial. Not so much about God.
    2. Got me on Numbers. Good ole fashioned purgation.
    3. Not so much a 'Killy Rampage' and more of Final Jugement.
    4. Not all Divine things mentioned in the bible descend from heaven.
    5. Judas was not a favorite Apostle. In fact Christ never states who was most favored and in one Gospel and arguement breaks out over that very reason.
    6. The Gospel of Judas is Gnostic writing dating to at it's earlist point 200 AD, and is considered Apocrypha. There is also the common dispute to it being mistranslated.

    Anyway if I'd have to guess on how Quaritch would come back I'm going for either Clone,Twin, or pulling a Lazurus Project (ME2. though this is dependent on if they got the body and iced it quick enough.)

    Or they could seal him into a cybernetic body, or go GEoM on him and seal him in a device that will bring him back one day. I am hoping for him still being slightly alive and being put into a protein tank and then linked into a big stompy robot with its own AI. It would say things like "Quaritch Prime is online. All systems nominal. Weapons hot. Mission: the destruction of any and all Na'vi environmentalists," and "Death is a preferable alternative to Ewyaism!" and, "Obstruction detected. Composition: Weak Traitor supplemented by a Turok. Probability of mission hindrance: 0%" and "Probability of a Na'vi victory: Impossible." and "Survivalis the sovereign right of everyHuman." Yes it is meant to be a joke, but the idea of a not dead, but not alive dreaming Quaritch co-piloting a Liberty Prime expy would be awesome.
    "A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. " -John F. Kennedy

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    "I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!" - Phil Jones to Michael Mann. July 8, 2004.

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    You DONT want to compare Colonel to Jesus

    And no, he should not be brought back, it would be too cheesy.
    He is a martyr who fell fighting for humanity against the blueskinned barbarians, he should be honored, not brought back as lame robot.

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    Short of divine intervention i don't see Quaritch coming back The RDA certainly wouldn't want to see him back--he screwed up beyond belief! The simple fact is that Miles Quaritch was a lousy officer. He might have made a good sergeant, but as an officer in command of troops he was way out of his depth.

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    Quaritch back to life would be awesome!
    Too human

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    I would also like to point out the Anti-Christ would heal the sick, wage war against other religions, seemingly for mankind's benefit. And he too would be killed during Armageddon while serving a stronger cause, Satan.
    Further more the Anti-Christ would betray his allies in the end for his benefit, just like how Quaritch jumped out of the aircraft to save his hide, leaving his crew to die.
    Last edited by Tarbtano; 03-26-2011 at 12:30 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Tarbtano;358551] Quaritch jumped out of the aircraft to save his hide, leaving his crew to die,and received two arrows in the chest,for his effort.[/QUOTE]

    there,fixed it for ya!


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