A question of bullets

[exostrike]

This thread is a discussion about the ammunition for RDA's weapons

While the CARB rifle used a fictional 6.2x35 caliber round I'm interested in the design of bullet RDA used on Pandora. Given that they are fighting against unarmoured enemies like the Na'vi or wildlife you would expect them to use a round that has a high fragmentation effect upon penertration to ensure maximun damage to the target. However since the CARB was designed in a world of advanced body armour and the lifeforms on Pandora have carbon fiber reinforcement it is likely they would be using a round with higher armour penetration power (which a round with high fragmentation effects would lack). But such rounds would just go straight through the target (Na'vi tissue) and exit, leaving smaller wounds . This means they would have to rely on the hydrostatic shock effect to scramble the body to acheive a kill. Judging on Tsu'Tey wounds (not accurate I know since Cameron reduced the gore factor) but if he had been hit with rounds that stayed in the body, there would have been a lot more blood.


Well that my thoughts on this, what do you think?

[akgeff]

Military ammo is almost exclusivly "FMJ" (Full metal Jacket) and is designed primarily to "penetrate" and not to expand" Hunting rounds are designed to "mushroom" to greater or lesser degree depending on what you are shooting with it and how far you want the bullet to penetrate. The amount the bullet mushrooms can be controlled by the design of the bullet and its composition (how hard or soft the lead aloy is) usually they are designed to mushroom about 1 1/2 to 2 times the original diameter. Even in hunting rounds fragmentation is considered a bad thing as it is considered to be more effective for the bullet to maintain mass to do the most damage. Idealy the bullet will expend all its energy as it travels through the "target", if it passes through the "target" and keeps on going with significant velocity it hasn't expended all the energy it posses's in damaging the target. This is all based on what your shooting at, you want a bullet with much higher penetration shooting Cape Buffalo or Rhino than you would for shooting a deer. The size and velocity of the round is a big factor also and is why very large rounds are used to kill "big game" in Africa.

A lot of my buddies hunt up here (I have occasionaly but not realy my thing). I had a friend of mine going hunting for a small deer up here that lives on the coast called a "Sitka Deer" I could never bring myself to shoot one cause even a full sized adult is about the size of "Bambi".. any way he was taking a 375 H and H magnum with him to shoot them with, wich is a big enough round to kill elephants. I asked him "why such a huge round for so small a target?" His response was that on the island they were hunting on when you shot a deer the local bears had become conditioned to consider it like someone ringing the "Dinner Bell" and they would show up cause they knew there was going to be a gut pile to eat. So he carried a caliber capable of dealing with the bears. He also said that the 375 was so large and powerful that it didn't mushroom passing through the deer so it didn't damge the meat very much but still killed them instantly.

Modern military theory is that it is actually more effective to wound the enemy than kill him out right. If you kill an enemy you only take out that one "enemy combatant", if you wound him it takes at least 2 of his buddies to haul him out of the front lines so you have effectively taken 3 "enemy combatants" out of the fight.. Course this only works if your enemy has any concern about recovering wounded from the field... So I'm assuming that the RDA was carrying primarily military ammo.

[Sanjwale]

^I thin he explained it pretty well.

Personally I like hunting. but only when you are sure you make a kill. and not a wounded animal. because I prefer a dead animal with a bullet over allot of animals who are starving because they don't have enough food. (a part allot people are forgeting)

[DeMouse]

I was going to say somthing along the lines of the wildlife on pandora having tough enough bone and armor that penetrating rounds would be needed... but I think Akgeff covered it all.

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[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Yeah well In a jungle environments like Pandora you are going to want FMJ (Full Metal Jacker) or TMJ (Total Metal Jacket) ammo.

If you use hallow point all that energy will be dispersed onto whatever it hits. You want a round that will continue to travel through thick vegetation to hit your target.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

i wish i had a gif of Norm firing his .50cal doorgun at the rda/secop bastards. .50cal + hits on rda bodies = WIN!!!

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

i wish i had a gif of Norm firing his .50cal doorgun at the rda/secop bastards. .50cal + hits on rda bodies = WIN!!!

don't think that was a .50 cal gun.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

don't think that was a .50 cal gun.

you're right,it was the 2154 version of the 7.62mm M60 machine gun. i still would like to see that gif.

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[Ateyo'itan]

Now that is just wrong...

Something about talking about optimal bullets to kill the Na'vi and people that's got me shaking my head. The cold calculations of war.

[DeMouse]

Its a fantasy world, not real life.

We're not talking about the best bullets for attacking North Korea or anything.