It needs to be said about humans.

[DeMouse]

In most modern western nations (so not the U.S.) social welfare means that many people can afford a deacent standard of living while doing NO work at all.

[Ximphron]

People on welfare survive off of the work that other people do though. Work is stil done, money and food don't just magically appear for them at government command.

You also choose to look mostly at people of our own standing, in developed, western nations.
Most of the worlds population lives in the 3rd world and is extremely poor in comparison.

[DeMouse]

People on welfare survive off of the work that other people do though. Work is stil done, money and food don't just magically appear for them at government command.

You also choose to look mostly at people of our own standing, in developed, western nations.
Most of the worlds population lives in the 3rd world and is extremely poor in comparison.

That is an issue because of unbalanced progress. Medical technology without the society advancing enough to know not to breed indicriminantly. Contraception would save more lives in africa than aid packages ever could.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

But our working hours have increased, and in general, our stress levels.

agreed...and our taxes,citizen obligations,prices,fees,and traffic hours spent getting to and from that working hours job. :/

[HufweMakto]

You also sort of have to ask why Pandora is a "deathworld". Why evolve to that point? Evolutionary arms race? Here on Earth being energy efficient was given priority over the ability to kill anything that comes within several yards of you. Also nothing has super abilities. Super fast animals generally have terrible endurance, animals with good vision fall behind in other senses, animals that can last long without food and water fall behind in strength. On earth it's a tradeoff. On Pandora it seems everything has been supercharged.

Funny you should point out "energy efficient". It's that main idea that makes me think the whole Kardashev Scale is absolute BS when it comes to understanding "advanced civilzations". Civilzation is not controlled by basis of enegery consumption, if it's going to be measured by anything, it would be by Robert Zurbin's view, most probably by how much it spreads or maybe how efficiently it uses it's energy in contrast to how much it uses it.

[HufweMakto]

the Omaticayans lived in a giant Hometree for damn near 20,000 years,and their culture and community flourished. science and human engineering helped destroy it...you can keep them.



i want teylu and a nice spot under the firefly lanterns,to the left of the firepit.

I'll have to disagree... Human greed and ignorance destroyed the hometree.

[DeMouse]

I'll have to disagree... Human greed and ignorance destroyed the hometree.

This. Especially the ignorance part.

It is never wise to choose ignorance. Which is where my railing against nihlism comes from.

[_Omaticaya_]

I'll have to disagree... Human greed and ignorance destroyed the hometree.

I agree Hufwe, you're right, but I also agree as J'ak said, that in a way science influenced and contributed to such catastrophic damage that the rda caused on Pandora, which could not have been done in such speed and devastating impact without machines ike the Valkyrie and Scorpion helis, as usual it's the rethorical 'It's not what it is that makes it bad, but how it's used'... Simply I believe there are many reasons that brought Hometree to be destroyed, just as much bad ideals that the rda people led by Quaritch beheld to operate in such Evilness...

[Ximphron]

Funny you should point out "energy efficient". It's that main idea that makes me think the whole Kardashev Scale is absolute BS when it comes to understanding "advanced civilzations". Civilzation is not controlled by basis of enegery consumption, if it's going to be measured by anything, it would be by Robert Zurbin's view, most probably by how much it spreads or maybe how efficiently it uses it's energy in contrast to how much it uses it.

I'd have to agree. Although I was just pointing out energy efficiency on in evolution, which seems to be a lacking factor on Pandora, everything there seems to have gotten super-abilities for no reason at all other than to have an evolutionary arms race, ignoring the need to be energy efficient.

@ Omaticaya.
Science gave the means to destroy the hometree but not the motive or the decision.
It's like the quote "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".

[louielouie11224]

@ Omaticaya.
Science gave the means to destroy the hometree but not the motive or the decision.
It's like the quote "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".

I love that quote!