Why Did Jake Not Warn the Navi Far Sooner & The Doziers Coming Was NOT a Surpirse

[Holea]

At first Jake was truly the puppet of the Colonel's supplying him with intel on the Navi which was "their" plan.

During the three months time Jake had "before the dozier's arrived" we all know Jake developed a kinship if not outright love of the Navi and his Navi love.

Why not begin to explain the scope of the threat. The Navi knew the humans had choppers and AMP suits and assault weapons. They might not have know about naplam and high explosives and how massively destructive they are. Why not tell him he would do all he could to help stop them but that he was not "in power" at Hell's Base.

He could have at least put himself into their good graces with intel about the "skypeople" intentions on Hometree and that the Skypeople Were COMING. The other thing that is absolutely crazy is that it came as a shock that the giant scrappers and doziers were "suddenly" on top of them. It's not like those things are stealth. They HAD to know they were churning towards them from a great distance. Instead of her waking up to the sounds of crashing trees after a night of passion, etc. and so forth... This just has no logic to it and is such a leap in the movie.

Why didn't the Navi ask Jake WTH is going on???? How did the Navi intend to stop them with their bows and arrows???? All of a sudden "Jake got religion" and warned the Navi only a short time prior to the aerial attack. He also truly painted himself as an idiot and a traitor to the Navi... Just makes no sense any way you look at it...

[xavz]

They would'nt have believed him possibly. They had issues with sky people before. Why would they listen to an enemy who randomly comes to them saying that their land is going to be destroyed. He wanted them to move and they probably would've decided to fight back (which happened anyways).

[ScottWashburn]

Yes, that an excellent observation! (I asked the same question myself on this forum--check out the "Grace in Denial" thread.) Clearly Jake and Grace should have been working hard to begin open discussions with the Omaticaya but were not.

If you want to see my take on what might have happened see: Roads Not Taken, an Avatar fanfic - FanFiction.Net

[Holea]

Thanks Scott. I'll check it out. This oversite bothers me. For Jake to be in the military and knew the deadline and never said a word just doesn't jive with his deep empathy with the Navi, etc.

[Avatar Fanatic]

Jake had told Quaritch that he would negotiate the terms of the Omaticaya's relocation after being inducted into the clan. Parker and Quaritch ruined any chance of a peaceful negotiation by destroying all the Trees of Voices, almost killing Neytiri and Jake's Avatar in the process. They attacked on the day that Jake had promised to explain the situation to the Na'vi but after they came and attacked one of their most sacred places with Bulldozers, there was no way the clan would make a deal with the humans now that they were attacking them. If they had been more patient and allowed Jake to negotiate like he said he would, things might've been different.

[MeTheGuy]

I posted this reply in another thread but it applies here as well:

When Quaritch ordered Jake back to the base, he intended to send Jake home that night. Quaritch was finished manipulating Jake. The "reports" Quaritch was referring to was the video log entries Jake would make updating his progress. We are never told but it is unlikely that Jake ever gave Quaritch any other "information" after the first time Jake told Quaritch and Selfridge about Hometree's infrastructure. When gave out that information that was only Jake's second day and he had zero allegiance to the Na'Vi at that point. But that information alone was all the information Quaritch eventually ever needed to bring Hometree down.

Jake worked for Grace. Quaritch tried to undermine Grace and manipulate Jake with the promise of getting his "real legs" back and it was supposed to be kept secret from Grace. She found out and removed Jake from Quaritch immediately. By the time Quaritch had ordered Jake back to the base Quaritch had lost patience with diplomacy and that's when he wanted to send Jake back to earth, to get him out of the way. Quaritch feared Jake's success and new love for the Na'Vi. All Quaritch wanted was to fight. But Quaritch had to let Jake finish because he wasn't in charge. from the get go Quaritch was trying to undermine the diplomatic mission and everyone involved with it. Selfridge was still in charge of the base and Grace was in charge of the avatar program. Diplomacy was still the point with Selfridge, Grace and Jake.

One other note, since I believe Jake never gave out any other useful "military" information beyond the first time, the bulldozers arriving at the Tree of Voices was a true surprise to Jake. I think they arrived earlier than expected. In the director's extended cut (16 minutes extra) there is a scene in which Grace won't let Jake back into avatar until he eats something first. It's obvious they are clueless the bulldozer's have already arrived. Perhaps more importantly, in the when Jake and Neytiri just got back from mating to tell the tribe the bulldozer's had come, the clan was already planning for a counter attack. This counter attack is in the director's cut and it shows the Na'Vi had burned down the equipment and killed the entire crew. This was all Quaritch needed to justify his plan of blowing Hometree. Another very key point is Jake, Grace and Norm did not know the plan was to blow up Hometree because it was Trudy that told them that's what Quaritch planned to do. Now, once this unexpected development took place, Selfridge gave Jake one last chance and Jake had to face Neytiri and the Na'Vi why he had come. So Jake wasn't as traitorous as some first think and could not have warned the Na'Vi earlier about something he didn't know was going to happen..

[_Omaticaya_]

Altough I think this topic will always have small controversies... That's a Great post MeTheGuy, very well said and explained Jake did all he could... He was a hero who dreamed to bring peace right?, and damn it he really tried, and in the end, He Did! Because he's one hell of a man. But we all know, nobody can make it alone, he tried to, but he failed, at first! Because it was all too big for him, he was in the hands of Rda, and the AVTR program, and undercover in the Omaticaya clan... He was under a lot of stress, he even tells us in the logs, he doesn't even know who he is anymore :( and he saw it all collapse in front of him, what he had fallen in love with :( But I guess it was all meant to be, since Toruk Makto was just round the corner, ready to save it all

[Foxhound]

What i still don't get is how the Na-vi had failed to detect the dozers. The dozers were going at what? ten miles an hour for three months in a fairly strait line? In the beginning of the movie jake sees a big dump truck with Na-vi arrows in the tires which means that the Na-vi are shooting at it which means that the Na-vi do go near (But not to close.) To Hells gate and should have noticed the road being built.
I just don't know how the loud dozers managed to get that close to the Na-vi home with out being seen or heard by a scout or hunting party.

[_Omaticaya_]

^Reasonable question... Only explanation I could give is this: you said they'd be going at approximately 10mph right? Well, we see that the dozers are first noticed by the Na'vi very early in the morning, as a horrid awakening for Jake and Neyney and all the Na'vi. Therefore I'd presume that in those maybe 6-8 hours of sleep approximately, of the Omaticaya clan during the night, the dozers could have easily covered those last 70 miles during the nightime, to 'suprise' them... :( 70 miles let's say then maybe 10 more or 10 less whatever, which is Quite a long distance, far enough for any Na'vi to notice (I'm Guessing ofcourse) so maybe the day before, no Omaticaya had scouted that far from home, and I reckon that's perfectly normal, if you're not expecting Rda bastard killers sneaking up the next morning hope I helped mate