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Losing motivation to learn na'vi

This is a discussion thread about: Losing motivation to learn na'vi inside the Na’vi Culture & Language forum, part of the AVATAR Movie Forums category. So yesterday I got really excited and decided "I'm gonna learn how to speak and write na'vi!" SO I gathered ...

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    So yesterday I got really excited and decided "I'm gonna learn how to speak and write na'vi!" SO I gathered all this info, started learning the alphabet and all that jazzaroni....Well anyways, today I said Kaltxi to my sister and she's like "What?" and I told her it was a greeting in Na'vi and once again she was like "Huh?" "Avatar...". "Ohhh, wait that's an actual language? Why are you going to learn that? WHy don't you learn something you can actually use in real life?" and walked away, now it didn't bother me at first but later I started thinking about it; why do I want to learn how to speak na'vi? I don't really know why I wanted to in he fist place I just knew I wanted to do it! But I feel like my battery is going out....I need some motivation guys! Guess the question is:

    What's the point in learning this?

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    I gave it a shot a year ago just after I joined AF and looked at the threads here and found the book online
    It was really exciting for a few days until I realized it would take a LOT of studying and time, which I don't really have because of my other studies.
    So I learnt the basic rules etc. But nothing much, I still have the book and have a look at some sentences sometimes for fun.
    Anyway, my mother thought I was totally Mental too for attempting such thing when I told her I was, but you need to be honest with yourself, I went on anyway for a few days, don't care what they say, so if YOU LIKE it Go for it, maybe step by step, whatever, there are Loads of lovely websites and chats and things to talk to professional Na'vi speakers on the web, and many here on AF aswell. If you really want to do it, enjoy it, never mind the others, and know you have plenty of support here
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    well, the most well known alien language is Klingon. why do people learn it? because they love star trek and they can speak to each other in klingon at conventions and meetings. if you really love the language then just learn it for fun and also for the possibilty of speaking na'vi with fellow Avatar fans you may meet in the future. maybe you'll get a role in the next Avatar movies, knowing Na;vi is a huge advantage as you don't have to learn it prior to filming, you'll already be ready to film
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    You don't get to use it much, but when you get amongst native speakers its great.



    I've always been trying to learn Mando'a, but learning other languages is difficult for my brain to process. I only know enough to get slapped. (but really, isn't that all you need in this life?)


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    [top]Here's are some things you should keep in mind


    There was a time when English didn't exist...

    Exactly what makes a language real? A language is real when words or symbols have meaning and when people are able to use those words or symbols to express and share their opinions and ideas in ways that others are able to understand.

    What if we came across aliens... they would most likely have a language and if we wanted to communicate with them we would have to learn it.

    [top]Why learn a make-believe language from a movie?


    Why not? Thousands of other people are learning Na'vi and when they see each other at conventions or clan meetups they can greet one another with the greeting of the Na'vi. It makes you feel like you're a part of something especially for those who are actually serious about learning it because you could have a truly private conversation with someone if you're speaking a language only a few thousand people on the planet know about.

    [top]Motivation and education


    I believe your primary motivation for learning something should be based on whether you enjoy it. If you really want to learn it don't allow others to discourage you. If you learn enough Na'vi before the sequels you may not even need to read the subtitles because you'll already know what they're saying.

    The truth is there's no reason not to learn Na'vi.

    I learned about the Phoenician/Aramaic alphabet even though there's really not any point in doing so because no one knows what these languages sound like and while converting English letters into Phonetic letters looks neat it's incorrect. I used to write notes for class in Phoenician and while I could read and write it just as well as English it wasn't true Phoenician because no one is sure how they structured their sentences. Sort of like how English, Spanish, and French use the same alphabet, but the structuring and arrangement is different.

    Languages like Phoenician and Aramaic are some of the first known languages of humans and the only records we have of them are in stone tablets and carvings.

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    The Phoenicians came up with the Phonetic language and at some point in their history for no real reason they decided to create a secondary language known as Aramaic. There are only small differences between the symbols, but Aramaic is the more well known version that eventually became Hebrew, which was the language of Jesus Christ and is a language that is still around today.

    There are many different adaptations of the Aramaic language and these eventually became different types of Arabic.

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    Here is a basic language/alphabet tree chart


    Detailed language trees are very extensive.

    There are all sorts of charts that show language progression throughout human history.

    No one knows what the Phoenician/Aramaic language sounded like, but we use their language in terms for describing vocal development. The Phoenicians pioneered creating and teaching language so we use them for describing the basis of language. Phone, which has been derived from their name means "sound/voice." Ah, now you know where the word telephone came from. Tele means "distant" and phone means "sound/voice" so basically telephone means "distant voice." Ever heard of Hooked on Phonics? Phonics is a word derived from phonetics, which is a word that describes the languages used by the Phoenicians. The Phoenicians laid the foundation for what would eventually become English characters. You also see these characters in other languages like Spanish and French with different arrangements, sounds, and accent markers. These characters come directly from the Greek alphabet.

    To me this is all very interesting and by becoming interested in learning Phoenician it opened up the door for me to better understand humanity. I learned who we are and how we're connected through language. I was also quite surprised at how many languages we've actually had and how nearly all English words come form adaptations of the Greek language.

    Where did the Phoenicians go? The decedents of Phoenicians still exist today in Lebanon and their official language is now Arabic or Lebanese dialect, but technically everyone on Earth can trace their ancestry back to the Phoenicians even though officially history says everyone is from Africa.

    Are there any well known or famous people of direct Phoenician/Lebanese decent? Shakira is an example of such a person.

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    There are some errors in what you said, but I'd rather not sound like a nitpicky linguistics nazi so i'll not point them out.
    I'll also include the fact that any information I provided for this post came directly from history books so if I'm incorrect then the publishing company for the world history books are also incorrect and that also means that hundreds of millions of students have learned it incorrectly right along side me. I couldn't be too wrong because I received recognition from the state for taking the extra initiative. There was a ceremony in which I was presented with a $1,500 check for the Phoenician posters I made. The school I attended is one of the top 10 academic schools in my state with one of the strictest grading policies around. Any grade 75 or lower was considered failing and I managed to graduate with all A's (100 or above) and with honors.

    My question is... why go through all the trouble of studying and learning if years later when you repeat what you were taught everyone jumps out of the woodwork to tell you that unfortunately you're wrong?

    Facts are constantly changing... When I was in school Pluto was still a planet, but now officially it is no longer a planet. Children that are learning the new way now will tell me I'm wrong later on if I accidentally call Pluto a planet even though I'm only repeating what I was taught. This is exactly why I have a problem with schools teaching things that aren't confirmed yet... they're teaching speculation. Schools across the United States aren't even teaching the same things so people in Albany New York might get a different picture of history than someone in Sacramento California.
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    Its easy to loose motivation when you are trying to learn something that might be hard, try have fun while trying to learn maybe you won't loose motivation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayn'at Alyara View Post
    So yesterday I got really excited and decided "I'm gonna learn how to speak and write na'vi!" SO I gathered all this info, started learning the alphabet and all that jazzaroni....Well anyways, today I said Kaltxi to my sister and she's like "What?" and I told her it was a greeting in Na'vi and once again she was like "Huh?" "Avatar...". "Ohhh, wait that's an actual language? Why are you going to learn that? WHy don't you learn something you can actually use in real life?" and walked away, now it didn't bother me at first but later I started thinking about it; why do I want to learn how to speak na'vi? I don't really know why I wanted to in he fist place I just knew I wanted to do it! But I feel like my battery is going out....I need some motivation guys! Guess the question is:

    What's the point in learning this?
    What is the point of life? same question. whe don't know. but most people learn it because they like it. and isn't that where life is about? having fun. so if you want to learn it, and you like it. who don't? some people go run, other go playing video games. other likes to learn (not me -_-) and you like that. anything wrong with it? I think not
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    There was a time when English didn't exist... until someone created it.
    Small nitpick- English (for example) wasn't created, it evolved. That's what seperates 'natural' languages and constructed languages, such as Esperanto or Na'vi. English evolved from Middle English, which evolved from Old English, which evolved from some Germanic language, which evolved from a basic Indo-European language, which itself evolved from proto Indo-European, which evolved from whatever humans were speaking hundreds of thousands of years ago.

    Over time, people (authors, etc) may create words, words may be borrowed from other languages, be contracted, corrupted or changed into new words, the lexicon may change with the society that speaks it, etc, but nobody sat down (like Professor Frommer) and said "Ok, I want to create a language called 'English'.

    I've found that it's particularly difficult to learn a language if you never get to use it. Is there a section on this forum where people can converse in Na'vi? Perhaps that would help somewhat, if not with the spoken part of the language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD-701 View Post
    Small nitpick- English (for example) wasn't created, it evolved.
    I didn't mean for it to sound like a group of guys sat down one weekend and came up with it. The English language developed over many centuries deriving meaning from many languages, but the point I was going for is there was a time when it didn't exist and now it's the most spoken language on Earth. I simplified it to avoid a lengthy post.

    English is still being created... new words are created everyday.

    Quote Originally Posted by RD-701 View Post
    I've found that it's particularly difficult to learn a language if you never get to use it. Is there a section on this forum where people can converse in Na'vi? Perhaps that would help somewhat, if not with the spoken part of the language.
    There is a section on the forum where the only language allowed is Na'vi.

    An alternative place is here:

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    To add to that, Enigma, the Phoenician writing developed out of ancient Egyptian cursive. Indian writing also developed out of Phoenician or a similar system.
    But...
    Don't fall into the trap of thinking that just because most of the world (except Americans and East Asians) uses the Phoenician alphabet, that they share a linguistic and ethnic history. While languages often travel with a people, writing systems do not. Hungarians use the latin alphabet, so so the Mexica. Mongols use an alphabet derived from Arabic. But they aren't really related ethnically or linguistically to the Romans or Arabs.
    Basically: don't mix up language and writing systems. They are two very, very different things.
    There are some errors in what you said, but I'd rather not sound like a nitpicky linguistics nazi so i'll not point them out.

    It's cool that you write in the Phoenician alphabet for notes. Back in high school I adapted the Mongolian alphabet to write English sounds, and used that to take notes. Now I can write in my adapted Mongolian alphabet as easily as I can write in the Latin alphabet. Just practice.

    Na'vi is very interesting, although it seems to have not taken off like Klingon (Yet!). As a conlanger myself (someone who makes their own languages), it's very cool. I don't actually learn how to speak any of mine though, I just create grammar and vocabulary for them and use them if needed for something creative.

    I can't explain the pronunciation well here, but in Tlu-Hautoi, "I see you" is "Eolau tlui tuoitza". It's not a perfect translation, because there isn't really a way to say "I see you" in that exact sense. The word order puts it at "See you I"


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