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This is a discussion thread about: Turning Earth grey inside the Human & Environmental Rights forum, part of the AVATAR General Forums category. For a while now, solar cell researchers have claimed that their constructs are more efficient than plants in collecting solar ...

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    For a while now, solar cell researchers have claimed that their constructs are more efficient than plants in collecting solar energy with all sorts of implications I do not want to go into now.

    Now, biologists try to "invent" a new form of photosythesis in plants that is more efficient than what nature does. The intention is to make more efficient plants for biofuels vie genetic engineering. These "synthetic plants" would be grey or almost black, because the higher efficiency would mean that they absorb more sunlight and do not as normal plants do, reflect either green or red parts of the light spectrum. Also these plants may, as is hinted in the article, be "created" to lack some of the mechanisms that protect the plant. This makes it likely that these plants have a short life (e.g. will be annuals).

    So instead of bioluminescent colorful plants, we will get black plants. What a world...

    And they even dare to compare this to Native American practices in making corn a food crop.

    Improving photosynthesis? Solar cells beat plants at harvesting sun's energy, for now
    Plants are less efficient at capturing the energy in sunlight than solar cells mostly because they have too much evolutionary baggage. Plants have to power a living thing, whereas solar cells only have to send electricity down a wire. This is a big difference because if photosynthesis makes a mistake, it makes toxic byproducts that kill the organism. Photosynthesis has to be conservative to avoid killing the organisms it powers.

    "The efficiency of photosynthesis, and our ability to improve it, is critical to whether the entire biofuels industry is viable"
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    Just as early Native Americans manipulated skinny, non-nutritious Teosinte into fat, juicy kernel corn, today's plants can be manipulated to become much better sources of energy.
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    In synthetic biology plants can be built from scratch, starting with amino acid building blocks, allowing the formation of optimum biological band gaps.
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    The newly engineered plants would be darker, incorporating some biological pigments in certain of nature's flora that would be able to absorb photons in the red and infrared regions of the solar spectrum.
    The only hope I have if they start using this on a larger scale is that such plants that obvioulsy are "created" to not care for themselves anymore in terms or living and repairing themselves would not be able to survive for long on their own. But who knows - they may be more efficient and become invasive, especially if that is not used only for biofuel plants but also for food crops.

    This is exactly that sort of contribution I really keep saying genetic engineering plants will give to the disasters of the future.

    Grey Plants... - Industrial civilization turns everything it touches grey!

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    Seriously? It's the same thing. The EXACT same thing. Domestication and bioengineering. People have been doing it for as long as we've been around. You domesticate a plant or animal, then breed desirable traits to create a better strain. Yes, your precious Native Americans were some of the earliest bio-engineers.


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    From an existential standpoint, do you really want to live in a world full of black plants? Humans are biophilic for green plants. Yes, let's hope these abominations would die in the wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto View Post
    From an existential standpoint, do you really want to live in a world full of black plants? Humans are biophilic for green plants. Yes, let's hope these abominations would die in the wild.

    Plants with Black or Maroon Foliage

    Abominations of nature. In nature. Brilliant.


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    Yes, I know those exist, butt do you want these GMO plants to be taking up currently green spaces?

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    ****, don't know how to edit with this new mobile format, just gonna have to double post.

    The majority of plants in nature are green. Other colors have their niches, but the most are green, and that is the color humans associate most with nature. People aren't going to respond well if these overtake currently green areas. Again, biophilia. And that's not even counting the havoc these could create in the wild, in terms of how animals will respond, and what effect they will have on pollination.

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    The image in the OP is from one of these natural occuring ones. I do not know if these are related to what they plan to do - in the article it does not sound like it, but rather like they want to create something completely new and not just transfer genes from natural dark plants to their crops. I dont dislike some dark plants among the many other colors, but really I do not look happily at future squaremiles of that dark foliage. I already do not like endless fields of corn, but them being black does not make it better...

    Oh and it reminds me of the Daisyworld model. As even with high absorbance, efficiency is not increased that much overall, a lot of the absorbed energy would go into heat. This could very well lead to a decreased albedo in alreas that grow these crops and thus contribute to rising temperatures on Earth. Just a speculation, I dont know the numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuroraGlacialis View Post
    The image in the OP is from one of these natural occuring ones. I do not know if these are related to what they plan to do - in the article it does not sound like it, but rather like they want to create something completely new and not just transfer genes from natural dark plants to their crops. I dont dislike some dark plants among the many other colors, but really I do not look happily at future squaremiles of that dark foliage. I already do not like endless fields of corn, but them being black does not make it better...

    Oh and it reminds me of the Daisyworld model. As even with high absorbance, efficiency is not increased that much overall, a lot of the absorbed energy would go into heat. This could very well lead to a decreased albedo in alreas that grow these crops and thus contribute to rising temperatures on Earth. Just a speculation, I dont know the numbers

    Oh, so you lied! :D

    And then tried to reason that "It's what it probably would look like" and tried to sway others to your technophobic view by misrepresenting your opinion as truth. Keep it classy.


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    WTH! We have enough unwanted grey, just go into downtown.
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    Wrong approach. What makes plants green is the Chlorophyll, a molecule. If some scientist is going to change the molecule, then we cannot speak of chlorophyll, we would be speaking of something else, a complete new system and we cannot predict if a plant or organism would be able to live based on that new molecule.

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