the fine art of nuclear greenwashing

[brianct]

nuclear power is not clean anything....ever hear of radioactivity?

[Aihwa]

nuclear power is not clean anything....ever hear of radioactivity?

The earth is filled with it. Yet we're all still here...

[Shatnerpossum]

nuclear power is not clean anything....ever hear of radioactivity?

Use a microwave in the past year? Got an x-ray? Stood outside?

[brianct]

The earth is filled with it. Yet we're all still here...

full of what? radioactivity? any scientist would laugh at your comparison...by that reasoning, Its safe for people to return to Chernobyl LOL

[brianct]

Use a microwave in the past year? Got an x-ray? Stood outside?

the you should hav no worry living in Chernobyl, or any of the now deserter 76 towns and villages.The absurdity of such comparisons is obvious

Microwave radiation is not nuclear radiation, but it to is unsafe.

X-rays...do you spend all day in x-rays?

[Shatnerpossum]

Pripyat IS the town. And I wouldn't mind spending a few days in the exclusion zone.

And its too bad you pulled 76 out of your ***.

Considering nothing was as bad as Chernobyl, and the exclusion zone is habitable...

And FYI, Chernobyl is habited today. Its the CITY further away from the plant. PRIPYAT is the adjacent town.

[Jacob]

full of what? radioactivity? any scientist would laugh at your comparison...by that reasoning, Its safe for people to return to Chernobyl LOL

Yes, it's full of radiation. Instead of leaping to conclusions about what scientists what do, how about you read up on some actual science instead of alarmist environmental groups? You can start with background radiation. And getting rid of your microwave.

Obviously no one is saying the whole world is like Chernobyl, but your over-the-top 'OMG RADIATION!' stance belies your ignorance of the subject.

[Prometheus]

another antienvironmentalist? Its amazing how mahy seem to like AVATAR!

Id take greenpeaces record over your anecdote!And the destruction of ancient forests is of prime concern in australia, where the forestry industry prefers money to trees.

and sorry 'Spock' but your no guide in such matters.,..Greenpeace has far more experience.

I can see the RDA orm its equivalent cutting down the Pandoran forests! Lucky they were thown out.

You'd take Greenpeaces record over my anecdote....just shows you how naive you really are. My Great Grandfather did more to protect the environment than you're ever have likely to have done. Or any environmentalist for that matter. The forest where Gran had his leases are actually thicker, more lush and biodiverse than what it was when he first logged in the area. How do I know....I've actually been there and spoken to guys from UNE that have worked in the area. The reason why it is that way is because of the way he logged it and what he did to preserve the forest.

As for being anti-environmentalist, how would you know??!!! You have no idea what I believe in or what I've done...or even who I support!!!.

More to the point, exactly what have you ever done?? What are your "green" credentials. Apart from talking a good talk, just exactly what have you done to further "the cause"??. You have quite a few extreme views, but I just wonder how really committed to actually carrying them out you really are. As a matter of fact, I wonder just how well some of your views sit with the majority of those that would support Greenpeace and are active within it. The problem with people who hold extreme views is that they radicalise the whole movement to a point that it comes to be seen as nothing more than a bunch of ratbags with preposterous ideas. That doesn't do anyone any good.

Your views are nothing new under the sun.

[brianct]

Pripyat IS the town. And I wouldn't mind spending a few days in the exclusion zone.

And its too bad you pulled 76 out of your ***.

Considering nothing was as bad as Chernobyl, and the exclusion zone is habitable...

And FYI, Chernobyl is habited today. Its the CITY further away from the plant. PRIPYAT is the adjacent town.

Really? Show me that Chernobyl is inhabited?

unles youre refering to this:

'Ranking as one of the greatest industrial accidents of all time, the Chernobyl' disaster and its impact on the course of Soviet events can scarcely be exaggerated. No one can predict what will finally be the exact number of human victims. Thirty- one lives were lost immediately. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, Russians, and Belorussians had to abandon entire cities and settlements within the thirty-kilometer zone of extreme contamination. Estimates vary, but it is likely that some 3 million people, more than 2 million in Belarus' alone, are still living in contaminated areas. The city of Chernobyl' is still inhabited by almost 10,000 people. Billions of rubles have been spent, and billions more will be needed to relocate communities and decontaminate the rich farmland. '
Chernobyl'

living in areas that are admitted to be contaminated is really foolish...So why are they still there?

'Though the city today is mostly uninhabited, a small number of inhabitants reside in houses marked with signs stating that the "Owner of this house lives here". Workers on watch and administrative personnel of the Zone of Alienation are stationed in the city on a long term basis. Prior to its evacuation, the city was inhabited by about 14,000 residents.[1]'
Chernobyl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


if you chose to live there, you coud exect radiation poisoning..and theres the matter of food and water...

further on the topic of whos still in Chernobyl:
but only a handful, mostly old people.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...412954,00.html

It will be interesting to see what happens to younger people if they return.

But i wouldnt:
Says Timm about his experience:

“The amusement park was an unsettling place. The ferris wheel loomed underneath a cloud-scattered sky and every few minutes gave off guttural creaking noises. The radiation levels were about 40 times as high as normal (4 uSv/h) — not extreme, but elevated, especially if you stood on the patches of moss or got close to the bumper cars. Some of the trees looked strangely deformed, spreading sideways instead of skywards. The constantly beeping sound of the Geiger counter slowly got under my skin as I started to realize how constant and inevitable the radiation and all its associated risks around me were.”

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com...then-now/14634

and:
'One of the issue’s featured articles is “Nuclear Power Development and Management,” a hot topic in the ‘80s when nuclear power was considered clean and safe and the slogan “peaceful atom” was popular. Vitali Sklyarov, the Minister of Power and Electrification of the Ukraine, said in an interview about the safety of nuclear plants:

“The odds of a meltdown are one in 10,000 years. The plants have safe and reliable controls that are protected from any breakdown with three safety lines. The lines operate independently without duplicating one another. New equipment with higher reliability is being developed. Pilot models are tested under conditions similar to working conditions'

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Then as now, the proponents say nukes are safe and clean! And its likely it was as safe as any western reactor! The idea that since it was soviet it cant have been, is an anticommunist fraud.

'The fire brigades were the first ones to spring into action and, realising the enormity of the catastrophe, called for help from the Chernobyl and Kiev regions. They did everything they could to prevent a melting down of the remaining three reactors and saved thousands of lives. Needless to say, they died of the fatal doses of radiation they were exposed to just weeks after the accident.'

You can see pictures of the dead firemen in the Museum in Kiev. They died from radiation poisoning.

'Shockingly, the town of Pripyat was not evacuated for three days after the incident and people went about their business – working, shopping, children going to school or playing in the radioactive dust – all getting exposed to immensely high doses of radiation. The general population had no knowledge about radiation and what it would do to them. Those in charge were so lulled in nuclear propaganda that they were unable to fathom that a nuclear disaster could ever happen, let alone had happened right under their noses.'

Like many in the US and elsewhere...

[brianct]

You'd take Greenpeaces record over my anecdote....just shows you how naive you really are. My Great Grandfather did more to protect the environment than you're ever have likely to have done. Or any environmentalist for that matter. The forest where Gran had his leases are actually thicker, more lush and biodiverse than what it was when he first logged in the area. How do I know....I've actually been there and spoken to guys from UNE that have worked in the area. The reason why it is that way is because of the way he logged it and what he did to preserve the forest.

As for being anti-environmentalist, how would you know??!!! You have no idea what I believe in or what I've done...or even who I support!!!.

More to the point, exactly what have you ever done?? What are your "green" credentials. Apart from talking a good talk, just exactly what have you done to further "the cause"??. You have quite a few extreme views, but I just wonder how really committed to actually carrying them out you really are. As a matter of fact, I wonder just how well some of your views sit with the majority of those that would support Greenpeace and are active within it. The problem with people who hold extreme views is that they radicalise the whole movement to a point that it comes to be seen as nothing more than a bunch of ratbags with preposterous ideas. That doesn't do anyone any good.

Your views are nothing new under the sun.

anyone who trashes Greenpeace and supports nuclear power and the nuke industry as you and Brand do, is no environmmentalist. Greenpeace i know of: your great grandfather...never heard of him.
My extremes views? Oposition to nuclear power ?How does that get to be extreme? Local councils also are 'extreme' as they wont allow nuclear waste in their backyard..

as for jacob:
'Yes, it's full of radiation. Instead of leaping to conclusions about what scientists what do, how about you read up on some actual science instead of alarmist environmental groups? You can start with background radiation. And getting rid of your microwave.

Obviously no one is saying the whole world is like Chernobyl, but your over-the-top 'OMG RADIATION!' stance belies your ignorance of the subject. '

i dont use a microwave. actual scientists?: You mean those who work for the nuclear industry! LOL

Yes radiation nuclear but also microwave are dangerous..,your defence of them shows either your ignorance or your vested interest