Thoughts On The Bond With Nature

[Theorist]

Thank you Omaticaya and Sanjwale. I don't know why exactly, but I was feeling so grey, and just nothing at all sparked my interest for awhile. I'm feeling better now. Perhaps it was the first hike in some real snow all Winter. Still struggled to find that deep inner peace with Nature, but I'm feeling better at least. For now I guess I'll just keep trying to cure the symptoms, cause there's only one way to cure the disease.

[_Omaticaya_]

Thank you Omaticaya and Sanjwale. I don't know why exactly, but I was feeling so grey, and just nothing at all sparked my interest for awhile. I'm feeling better now. Perhaps it was the first hike in some real snow all Winter. Still struggled to find that deep inner peace with Nature, but I'm feeling better at least. For now I guess I'll just keep trying to cure the symptoms, cause there's only one way to cure the disease.

You're welcome Theorist, I'm happy to hear you say you're feeling better now. And I adore the fact Nature can have a healing effect, I'm so much like that aswell.
Well, best of luck to you then in finding inner peace,

[Porthos1]

Omaticaya, as many of our friends on this thread have said (and better than I ever could), we are all connected to Nature. It is a universal constant. Man’s current society masks us from Nature, but she has not left. You can still get in touch with the real world.

There was a quote that I read once that said something like, “When you know God, you will see God in every person, creature and thing you meet.”

True story: One of the places I like to go to get away is the Henry Coe State Park south west of San Jose in northern California. This is a large wilderness area and most of the times there are no humans in the park, absolutely no traffic sounds or over-flights of aircraft. It is a peaceful world; an untouched piece of California as it has been for centuries. During these hikes in this pristine land, I practice Kinhin or Walking Meditation. When I empty my mind, calming the water and allow it to relax, Nature reveals itself. In the Tao Te Ching, Chapter one, Lao-tzu said: “Free from desire, you realize the mystery. Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.” Just letting go, not wanting to see things, you “see” (in the Na’vi meaning) things that you would otherwise pass over because of the noise in your head.

Recently, I was enjoying the late fall in the park. There was a thin trail on the side of a hill. The slope was fairly steep on both sides. I was enjoying a panoramic view of a wooded valley below me when I noticed movement on the trail ahead. Not ten yards away, a huge male Bobcat was casually trotting around a bend in the trail towards me. At first, he didn’t see me as he was hunting (or enjoying the same view I had). When he saw me, he stopped and for a few short minutes, we both stood there and watched each other. For those of you not familiar with the North American Bobcat, it is a very large kitty; twice the size of the largest house cat. Picture a medium sized dog, but a cat. Up close, it is a beautiful animal. With its tufts on the ears and bobbed tail, it is one of the coolest looking wild cats. It was obvious that we both wished to pass in opposite directions, but there was no going around. He glanced to either side of the trail with a cliff on one side and an exposed wall on the other realizing he was stuck. He turned his head back to me with a kind of questioning look. To me, his body language and eyes seemed to say, “OK, what do we do now?” So, I yielded the trail by stepping up on the slope and balancing precariously in the rocky brush above. It understood what I was doing and restarted his jaunt down the trail. He was close enough for me to touch him and smell his scent as he passed. After going about ten yards beyond, he turned around and watched me step back onto the trail. We stood there looking at each other for a few more minutes. It seemed to me he appreciated what I had done. To me, I was thinking, “This is freaking cool!” After a bit, we both turned and continued on our ways. The two of us had been bonded in those (too) short minutes. There was a real connection, two alien species meeting and “seeing” each other. No, this is not a drug flashback! I told my significant other the story later that same day and she just nodded, rolled her eyes and changed the subject. B-but honey!?!

I picture the Bobcat returning to his lair that evening and telling his mate, “I was walking on the man-trail and met one of those big hairless bears…”

You don’t have to travel far from your “30 square meter craphole house” to reacquaint yourself with Nature. It is all around you and you are still connected to her. You are part of nature and connected to all of us (and not through this Internet thingie). You don’t have to be another Christopher McCandless and leave it all to find it, but step outside and look at a tree. She will be there.

[_Omaticaya_]

^*Bows* *Claps* *Shakes Hands*

I See you Porthos1, Thankyou so much for this Marvelous post of yours... I agree with everything you said, and know exactly how you feel, and for once more, I'm truly comforted inside to know there's people like you out there in the world that know exactly what I'm talking about

That's right Ma Tsmukan, I like the "Pandora is right in your back-Yard" phrase to explain what you we're saying Altough I only have little Nature left where I live now, It's always enough 'to get lost in', when in the end I'm not lost at all, in that field, in that fresh air and with that sense of unity and complicity between my body and the surrounding environment, with that Freedom, is where I actually Find myself. It happened just today... As I came storming home all angry from a 'bad day', I had to go out in my garden in the afternoon and just run aimlessly, climb, and jump around, and play with my crazy adorable dog , and suddenly after just a few minutes, I felt so relaxed, healthy and Care-Free, literally... It was amazing how simple it was, and how powerful this undescribable, yet existing, Bond with the Natural rural life is
And as I'm at it, I must say the beautiful Moon this evening topped it up, in It's lovely Bright 'C' shape phase Aww

I Especially LOVED this matey:

Just letting go, not wanting to see things, you “See” things that you would otherwise pass over because of the noise in your head.

And what a wonderful story matey! Your 'Close up' with the Bobcat

Farewell chief

[Pamtseotu]

My compliments on the opening post (_Omaticaya_). I will have to read that again to squeeze everything out. And the many other responses afterwards. Are you telling me there are "Skypeople" here? It doesn't surprise me..it's rather funny in fact. My FB friend list dwindles on a daily basis due to my ceaseless ranting about voluntary blindness, I should have expected the haters always follow. For me, I find some comfort in the ATTEMPT to be less of a burden on our "Mother". Were I to give an opinion (and I will), I would say little more than you already have.

[_Omaticaya_]

My compliments on the opening post (_Omaticaya_). I will have to read that again to squeeze everything out. And the many other responses afterwards. Are you telling me there are "Skypeople" here? It doesn't surprise me..it's rather funny in fact. My FB friend list dwindles on a daily basis due to my ceaseless ranting about voluntary blindness, I should have expected the haters always follow. For me, I find some comfort in the ATTEMPT to be less of a burden on our "Mother". Were I to give an opinion (and I will), I would say little more than you already have.

Thankyou brother
Oh yes man... There are Many, you'll be surprised believe me, on this Forum aswell.
I admire you for doing that and saying your opinion Though I wouldn't bother too much, I'm a bit like that, don't really give people much of a chance, because if you're nice and friendly to people, but they reply back with arrogance and disrespect, all they deserve is nothing (or worse in my view ).
Sure, I See you, thanks for your post and I'll look forward to the rest if you wish to write more

[Pamtseotu]

But in all seriousness

Plastic and concreate are no less natural than trees and dirt. The only truly pure natural (stable) substance is hydrogen in its base form. Even that is not really natural for matter is only a tiny imputiy in the vast, infinite nothingness that is the universe. The universe is nature. It does not care about life. The true natural world is hidden in the equations and paricle patterns that modern humanity is only beginning to discover. The universe is vast and uncaring. It is PEOPLE who give it value, and it is the impurites in the natural order giving rise to sentient life that fills me with magesty. I am not one with all the other forms of life on out tiny, insiginificant spec in the cosmos, and I do not care to be.

To be truly one with nature you mast be vast, uncaring and simple. The truly desirable thing is to Know nature(thats See for those that diddn't see my post on the matter). To Know nature one must understand it, and we are a long way off from truly understanding it. Humanity is a curious species, we NEED to Know how our universe works, and with the help of the everlasting march of progess we are learning more about it every day.

It is not that trees and birds themselves that are the impressive things. Nor is it even that they exist in our universe which is impressive. The very formation of MATTER in the first place, and how that came to be is the impressive thing.

If science finds a god in their investigation then (though I doubt it will happen) that is fine by me, we will still have questions even after that. For that is what our species is about. Compassion is all fine and good, but to my mind curiosity is a far more interesting trait.[/QUOTE]

I must respond with:

Sentient is an important word you used. A cow, or a bug does not care why the moon shines, or why the stars even exist. Only humanity has the capacity to care. And to ponder and wonder. Now I have to ask myself...if noone and nothing cared, then why have it at all? It would seem pretty pointless to have existence materialize out of nowhere for no reason. Therefore since it IS pondered, it has significance other than random. I imagine "reality" this way. Take everything you can think of, Earth, solar system, universe, thought, existence itself and pretend for a moment it's all contained in a glass of water (the water being the everything). Now pretend you're a magician, snap your fingers and make the water "disappear". What remains? Of course, the "space" the water once occupied and since "empty space" is actually something, it follows there can be no such thing as nothing at all. Now this does not prove that something is in charge of it all, but it is an indication that it's intelligent and far from random. Just as some believe Earth contains the only life in existence (which is plain nonscientific arrogance), others believe there is no point to "life". Having never DIED, how can one be so arrogant as to procaim the nonimportance of it all? My opinion only and not meant to be an all knowing statement, OR the beginning of a theological debate.


HAHA...and here I find myself where?....Debate!..forgot where I was for a sec

[Pamtseotu]

At this point I'm browsing others posts in this thread and there's no shortage of things I'd care to comment on. I'm sure to become a nuisance in short order I can already tell...but I will try VERY hard to remember the words "you attract more flies with honey than vinegar".

I messed up the QUOTE above...credit to the original poster

Shortly I must go "entertain" drunk people...in parting for now I must say that I already feel a sense of belonging that I never felt in my association with FB. Perhaps I don't belong there.

Oh and....it would be arrogant to proclaim James Cameron is NOT a messenger from a distant galaxy sent here to "gently" nudge us toward "seeing" by creating a movie which inspires us to "see"...before we arrogant ourselves into oblivion.

[_Omaticaya_]

Oh and....it would be arrogant to proclaim James Cameron is NOT a messenger from a distant galaxy sent here to "gently" nudge us toward "seeing" by creating a movie which inspires us to "see"...before we arrogant ourselves into oblivion.

I'll reply briefly to all your posts mate. Well first of all, I'm very happy if you feel you belong here already, and I hope it stays that way man, and I'm sure it will.
As for your previous post, I liked it as it was very philosophical, and I Love studying philosophers (probably the only thing at school I liked next to Poetry).
Anyhow, I kind of agree, if what you mean is that everything has a reason, and wether you believe in a creator or not, the world is there for a reason.
Sorry if I'll sound a bit 'cold' now, but from experience in this forum, Personal especially, I can tell you that you can very well start a theological debate, and it will be like this: If you believe in God, you'll be made fun of by a bunch of Know-it-all science pukes Arrogant wankers. But don't worry, just know that whatever you say, there's many others that will always be on your side, they just like to make a believer feel like he's alone and stupid, and they'll do it while stating 'Freedom of thought' and 'Respect' etc. simply hypocrites aka trolls.
Anyhow, sorry for that rubbish, but It's not my fault if It's like that.
You just keep on writing the great posts you have, and yes, you're in debate here, so post on Maybe no religion in this thread please LOL I've already had other threads spoilt, I'd like to 'save' this one atleast and keep it on feeling One with Nature <3
I don't think that would be arrogant to say Wether it may be simple imagination, I think everyone can agree James Cameron is a total Genius, and simply an Incredible man, he managed to impress millions and millions of people so...

[_Omaticaya_]

*Weird Post coming up*

Ok so... I don't really know if I can be considered a tree hugger, as it sounds too much like a stereotype/cliche nowadays... All I can say about my relationship with Nature is in the opening post, needn't repeat myself.
Thing is, yesterday I had to to something that made me feel a bit weird.
My uncle basically 'lost' his job, so he's always home these days, and when he's home jobless he always starts working round the house, hedge trimmning and doing the lawn and loads of stuff like that, which is good, he helps a lot. But honestly, he goes a bit too far in my opinion sometimes, and he starts cutting trees and plants aswell, and It's not the first time. :/
I came home the other day, looked out my window in the garden and one big tree was completely gone! And he's Heavily trimmed many other trees in our garden, only leaving the smaller branches on the top basically... Well, as much as I get annoyed, I hardly Ever complain about anything in the house, as I just can't be bothered and **** like that, don't want to argue at home too please lol.
Thing is he then came up and asked me to help him out... -.- So there I was all afternoon, I chainsawed some big branches, and then spent two hours chopping the logs and branches with a small axe. Well yeah it was a nice afternoon as the weather was lovely, and I spent some time outside, but call me crazy, I just felt a bit sad you know??? Killing all those trees... It won't really go wasted, as we now have like TONS of wood stored for the fireplace (Which we gardly ever use anyway), but yeah, I just felt weird, and honestly, my uncle is a great person, Nothing pesonal, but I just disagree with this thing he did, while I was working, I was trying to think just WHY should we trim and cut down the trees? I Have Not found a reason. I mean, they look SO much better when they're big and wide and immense, they make a nice welcoming garden, shade and fruit and stuff, but for some reason in this household no one gives a **** about this, they just think they're making it 'neater'? ... -.-

-__- Ok post is basically over... Just feel a bit bad for that, I think it may be eccessive, but I still feel like that. Obviously It's ok to use wood, how'd I make my bow and my shelter otherwise if I lived in the wild, that's what trees are for, but you must utilize them correctly, not exploit and use Wrongly. But the things I say are always about this life, not my Dream life in the wild. In this life, chopping so much wood, was unnecessary and I didn't like it.