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[Ximphron]

you're referring to animals and the species of the natural world,and none of them apply to this 'kill,steal,party' line,because what they do is instinctual,no thought or premeditated idea goes into what they do...it is nothing more than instinct and survival. ants spend all every day searching for food,that's all they do.

we humans on the other hand,are a savage and destructive species...we kill,steal,pollute,waste,lie,deceive,cheat,murder, and then we f**king party on top of all that. then we wake up the next morning with a roaring hangover,curse the beautiful rays of sunshine...then do it all over again.

But we are not the only species capable of destruction, killing, stealing, polluting, lying, deceiving, cheating, and murdering. We may be the only species able to contemplate and think about such things, but we are far from the only species able to do them. We still largely follow instinct as well. I think that the ideas that we are the only species capable of terrible things and that we are separate from "animals and species of the natural world" is little more than human-centrism and delusions of grandeur.

Humans also spend all day surviving. Things have changed as to how we survive but thats still all we do. Sure we usually don't hunt anymore for food, (some still do) but we still work for it, we do the equivalent of spending all day searching for food, we work to get money in order to buy it. Our existence is still defined by he two drives of nature, survival and reproduction. The environment has changed but our needs and instinctive desires have not.

I wonder if you grew up in a different world than I did. I assume people are generally good because where I grew up people rarely did the things you listed, and thought of the sunrise as a blessing from God. It is not unusual in the slow-paced place I come from to appreciate the daily beauties of the world.
If you come from a city, I understand. I think I would go insane in a city.

[Aihwa]

you're referring to animals and the species of the natural world,and none of them apply to this 'kill,steal,party' line,because what they do is instinctual,no thought or premeditated idea goes into what they do...it is nothing more than instinct and survival. ants spend all every day searching for food,that's all they do.

we humans on the other hand,are a savage and destructive species...we kill,steal,pollute,waste,lie,deceive,cheat,murder, and then we f**king party on top of all that. then we wake up the next morning with a roaring hangover,curse the beautiful rays of sunshine...then do it all over again.

Ant's pretty much do all that.


They also commit genocide on a regular basis. (as in, Holocaust.)

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

Humans aren't seperate from animals, we ARE animals.

i am not an animal,thank you very much. grrrrrr

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[Ja'k Dawsiin]

Ant's pretty much do all that.


They also commit genocide on a regular basis. (as in, Holocaust.)

huh?! what the hell are you smoking out there??

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[Ximphron]

Like it or not, you are an animal. We have some things that set us apart, but we're still just animals. And even those things that set us apart seem to become more and more observed in other things.
Language: Observed in balleen whales and elephants. Perhaps certain birds.
Tool making: other primates, elephants.
Burying the dead: elephants.
Farming: ants.
Intra-species warfare: ants, chimpanzees.
Killing for the sake of killing: cats, dolphins, chimpanzees.
Territorial social groups: dolphins, wolves.
Learned behaviors: whales, dolphins, other primates, elephants, most birds, wolves.

Ants will have mass invasions to completely wipe out or even enslave other ant populations in their own species. Meaning they will go to another ant hill, kill most of the adults, bring up the young as slaves, and take over that territory.

[_Omaticaya_]

we ARE animals.

Hey, talk for yourself.

We aren't even the most intellegant.

By how you type ('Intelligent' by the way, and yes I'm being an ******* correcting your mistake, but I don't care), and what you type especially... That's stating the obvious if it's about you, but again, Talk. For. Yourself.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

Like it or not, you are an animal...blah blah blah...but we're still just animals.

i am not an animal,once again. thanks.

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[prowler]

Troll thread is troll thread...

[Ximphron]

I'm not trying to troll here. Maybe others are. I am just discussing the topic being discussed.
I suppose it depends on how you define "animal". I am using its definition in what I suppose is the purely biological sense of the word.
Perhaps you do not, and that is from where this disagreement stems.
I just honestly find it difficult to understand how some people here claim to love the environment and animals yet refuse to acknowledge that we belong as part of nature, not separate form it, and get offended when they are called animals, all the while loving animals.
Maybe you all simply have a different view of the world then me.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

I'm not trying to troll here. Maybe others are. I am just discussing the topic being discussed.
I suppose it depends on how you define "animal". I am using its definition in what I suppose is the purely biological sense of the word.
Perhaps you do not, and that is from where this disagreement stems.
I just honestly find it difficult to understand how some people here claim to love the environment and animals yet refuse to acknowledge that we belong as part of nature, not separate form it, and get offended when they are called animals, all the while loving animals.
Maybe you all simply have a different view of the world then me.

humans are an entirely different species from animals,and yes,i dearly love animals and the natural world,but i am not an animal. we are reasoning,deductive,decision-making,and logical beings with a soul and a sense of compassion,conscience,and raw emotion. (at least some humans do,lol) animals do not have any of this,they are instinctual creatures guided by survival.

people who lump us in with animals,are generally those who push evolution,because you say we evolved/descended from ameoba,tadpole,lizard,monkey....i did not come from a monkey. end of story.


if you want to push the 'we are animals' thing,go to the Evolution/Creation thread in Debate...you should find it mighty interesting in there,lol