Did Jake ever name his Ikran?

[madman]

Of the 6 times that I have watched Avatar, in don't recall Jake ever naming his Ikran. I'm sure he must have. If I've just missed it, what did he name it? Maybe I didn't miss it.... Maybe it's part of the deleted scenes?

[Keiraak]

No I don't think he ever named it. But I reckon it should be called "owned" i.e. Jake's Ikran was "Owned" by his Toruk

[Devourment]

He named it Qui-Gon.

That would be what I'd have named my Ikran.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

The only thing he called it in the movie was "boy" I am pretty sure he was referring to the gender of the creature and no the name.

[Autumnshire]

Mm I never heard him call it a specific name and also wondered about this.

[Starskillz]

Did Neytiri name her ikran? Maybe she did. :/

I don't understand the point of naming an animal anyway. It's not like you're going to call it, and it's going to say "hi" back....right? As far as everyone is concerned, it's "Neytiri's ikran" or "Jake's ikran" ..

[Demiurgos]

Neytiri did name her ikran: Seze.
We don't hear Jake call his ikran in any particular name though.

[Svansfall]

This is one of the few slight things that have been bothering me with the movie, actually. It's so clear that Neytiri is really fond of Seze, and the brief scenes with Neytiri and Seze interacting, she's always petting her gently, talking calmingly to her, with obvious affection. The Ikran are obviously very loyal to the Na'vi they are bonded with, and Neytiri shows respect and thankfulness towards Seze for this.

This goes well along with the Na'vi general respect for all living beings.

But we don't get to see much particular affection, respect or thankfulness from Jake for his Ikran. I like to think that he does show it, but that it is just not in any of the scenes of the movie. At least, I get the feeling that Jake is sounding apologetic to his Ikran, when he says "There's something we got to do, and you're not going to like it."

I mean... there he is... wandering among the ashes... "Outcast, betrayer, alien... I was in the place the eye does not see." Yeah, he is caught between worlds... cast out by the RDA, cast out by Omaticaya. Aside from Norm, Trudy, Max and the dying Grace... who else has he got at this moment?

Yes... his loyal Ikran swoops down, happy to see him, eager to be bonded with his rider yet again. I just think his wonderful, beautiful Ikran would be worthy of so much praise, respect and affection for being so loyal to Jake. If Jake's Ikran had not been awaiting for his sleeping rider, in the ashes after the destruction of the Hometree, Jake would never have been able to become Toruk Makto, and he'd never have gotten accepted by Omaticaya again. He would never have gotten to be with Neytiri again, and RDA would have destroyed Tree of Souls.

Jake has his Ikran to thank for a lot.




Did Neytiri name her ikran? Maybe she did. :/

I don't understand the point of naming an animal anyway. It's not like you're going to call it, and it's going to say "hi" back....right? As far as everyone is concerned, it's "Neytiri's ikran" or "Jake's ikran" ..

Really? You don't understand the point of naming an animal? So... when your dog is out playing with other dogs and you want your dog to return to you, you obviously call his/her name! I own two dogs together with a friend, although the dogs live with my friend. The dogs has to know which one of them you are talking to. If you tell both of them to sit, and only one of them does, you have to be able to tell the one who did sit, that he did the right thing, by using his name.

Also, giving names to animals is also a sign of respect and affection, which improves the animals well-being.

There was research made in the UK, where they found out that cows who were given individual names produced more milk, as a result of being treated better and having higher well-being.

Cows with names produce more milk – Telegraph Blogs (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peterwedderburn/8225479/cows_with_names_produce_more_milk/)

Don't underestimate the importance of naming your animals.

I always name individual cows, bulls and calves that I am taking care of. And I give them a lot of personal attention for their happiness and well-being. I find they deserve it much more than most humans I get to know. And they show more love in return. :nsmile:

If I could bond with an Ikran, I'd absolutely name him/her, the first thing I did. With a beautiful name that expressed my affection for him/her.

[Flying-Banshee]

I wonder what jake would'ce called his? And as for Neytiri's, i read on James Cameron's Avatar Wiki - Jake Sully, Avatar 2, Pandora (http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_Wiki) that Seze means Blue Flower, witch i thought was very pretty :)

[X.,.Pandora.,.X]

No, he didnt name his ikran. But Neytiri's ikran was names seze, wich means blue flower

[mineee]

His loyal Ikran swoops down, happy to see him, eager to be bonded with his rider yet again. I just think his wonderful, beautiful Ikran would be worthy of so much praise, respect and affection for being so loyal to Jake. If Jake's Ikran had not been awaiting for his sleeping rider, in the ashes after the destruction of the Hometree, Jake would never have been able to become Toruk Makto, and he'd never have gotten accepted by Omaticaya again. He would never have gotten to be with Neytiri again, and RDA would have destroyed Tree of Souls.

Jake has his Ikran to thank for a lot.



I compelety agree with you. His ikran deserves much more respect than he saw till now. I hope in the second movie we'll se him more

[Starskillz]

He didn't name his Turuk either. Interesting? I think so.

As far as dogs are concerned, I've never had one, but shouldn't "Here, boy" do the trick when calling it?

Bottom line: names should be given by parents. Anything else is just a "nickname" that requires recognition of the owner. Because dogs/ikrans never acknowledge their nicknames, it is in the slightest case simply rude to continue calling them something their parents did not.

See the problem here? I'm not even joking. This is what I have seriously grown up believing.

[Whooshx2]

You can't name the Toruk, the Toruk names you.

[Jafloogan]

In Soviet Russia, Ikran name you!

[vrrtep]

This is one of the few slight things that have been bothering me with the movie, actually. It's so clear that Neytiri is really fond of Seze, and the brief scenes with Neytiri and Seze interacting, she's always petting her gently, talking calmingly to her, with obvious affection. The Ikran are obviously very loyal to the Na'vi they are bonded with, and Neytiri shows respect and thankfulness towards Seze for this.

This goes well along with the Na'vi general respect for all living beings.

But we don't get to see much particular affection, respect or thankfulness from Jake for his Ikran.

Ya this really bothered me as well. i would have thought that once Jake had become ready to have an Ikran he would have been to the point where he would have wanted to name it. I mean it's a pretty serious thing that the two of them go through together, you would think he would have some more love for his Ikran.

Jake says that he feels like he was born to fly. you would think that if you felt that natural at doing something you would feel pretty attached to the creature that allowed you to do it. At the point where Jake gets his Ikran he's come to realize the importance of being close to the animals and that everything is connected together through Eywa, otherwise Neytiri wouldn't let him go to get the Ikran in the first place.

What i've thought about though is maybe he did name his Ikran and he just never used the name. It's a little bit of suspension of disbelief but i'm willing to go there :nsmile:. pretty minor plot hole in the large scheme of things and it doesn't really matter i guess.

[madman]

Seriously w t f man. How could he not name it at least?!?!

[Svansfall]

He didn't name his Turuk either. Interesting? I think so.

As far as dogs are concerned, I've never had one, but shouldn't "Here, boy" do the trick when calling it?

Bottom line: names should be given by parents. Anything else is just a "nickname" that requires recognition of the owner. Because dogs/ikrans never acknowledge their nicknames, it is in the slightest case simply rude to continue calling them something their parents did not.

See the problem here? I'm not even joking. This is what I have seriously grown up believing.

Not sure I should respond to that here in this thread, as the topic of naming dogs is rather off-topic from if Jake named his Ikran or not.

Of course dogs acknowledge the names given to them! If I have both my dogs sat right in front of me, and I look at neither of them, and I address one of them with one command, and the other one with another command, they will both acknowledge and understand which command was directed to them specifically, because the command was mentioned next to their name.

If I would simply call out, "Here, boy", when I only wanted one of the dogs to come, that would not work. And did you even click the link I provided, regarding the importance of names to animals?

I find it strange to find, that even in 2010, there are people who seriously believe that animals don't recognize and acknowledge their own names.

Let me tell you I can call bulls and cows by their names, and they will recognize that I am calling specifially to them. And I don't think they think I am rude. They are happy to come up to me to get scritches and attention. Haha, unless they are just in the mood to graze. :nwink:

If you wish to discuss this further, Starskillz, please do so in a visitor message to me, so we don't have to spam this topic, which is really about Jake's Ikran.

[Txen]

He did call it "Shut up and fly straight"

[Dreamwalker]

He did call it "Shut up and fly straight"

LOL. Great name :P

Yeah, there is no mention of Jake naming his ikran. I agree with whoever posted about his ikran waiting for him and showing up at the right time. I imagine he'll have a name in the sequel.

[Unitiranyu Tsamsiyu]

He did call it "Shut up and fly straight"
lol how about "wooooow sh*t!!"

[Pandora's Child]

Yeh i was expecting him to say its name wwhen he and Neytiri escape from the the Toruk and are clinging to the tree. I'm sure it'l have a name by the next movie. Everytime i watch it the part where Jake first makes tsahaylu with his iran after he's got it and it's not struggling he presses it's head against the ground quite roughly in my opinion.

[madman]

I bet he named it, but for some reason it was cut out of the movie. His Ikran just HAS to have a name!!!!

[chawk1993]

Maybe he did and it just wasn't mentioned. Dunno! Maybe we'll hear it in the second one!

[madman]

Yeh i was expecting him to say its name wwhen he and Neytiri escape from the the Toruk and are clinging to the tree. I'm sure it'l have a name by the next movie. Everytime i watch it the part where Jake first makes tsahaylu with his iran after he's got it and it's not struggling he presses it's head against the ground quite roughly in my opinion.

I agree completely with your last sentence. I've always seen Jake as kind of mean in that scene. Neytiri would never treat an animal of Aywa that way, especially not an ikran or pa'li.