CERN Plans One-Year LHC Shutdown for 2012

[Tsyal Makto]

CERN Plans One-Year LHC Shutdown for 2012 - Gearlog (http://www.gearlog.com/2010/03/cern_plans_one-year_lhc_shutdo.php)

That sucks.:nconfused:Hopefully this will finally get the mechanical problems sorted out, then the real show can begin.:ncool:

On a side note: Some scientists also made an interesting alternative theory for these drawbacks. Personally I think it's crap, but let's hear what the pros here have to say about it (these causality-bending things make my head hurt. :nconfused:)
Time-travelling Higgs sabotages the LHC. No, really - Short Sharp Science - New Scientist (http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/10/is-a-time-travelling-higgs-sab.html)

[Dante]

In the immortal words of Charlie Brown, "Good Grief."

[Arcazyiln]

That card thing still doesn't explain the whole theory. At least to me it isn't. It's like winning the lottery with luck on your side. You randomly picked up a card that says stop the LHC but what does that prove? :p

[MikaElle]

Hmmm ... needs upgrading and decide not to have running during 2012 .. sounds to me like .. just in case there might be anything to 2012 don't want to be the 'accidental' cause of anything. :nwink:

[Spock]

Hmmm ... needs upgrading and decide not to have running during 2012 .. sounds to me like .. just in case there might be anything to 2012 don't want to be the 'accidental' cause of anything. :nwink:

Ha, imagine if they fired it up on the 23rd of december 2012 and it created some sort of singularity, destroying the entire planet like in Star Trek.

[Afkeu]

Ha, imagine if they fired it up on the 23rd of december 2012 and it created some sort of singularity, destroying the entire planet like in Star Trek.

Always have to have the Star Trek reference!

Now about the shutting down, I think that this quote from the article aptly describes the situation:

"The standard phrase is that the LHC is its own prototype. We are pushing technologies towards their limits... With a machine like the LHC, you only build one and you only build it once." - Director of the LHC project

I think anyone that thinks these problems shouldn't be happening needs to give the guys (and gals) at CERN a break.

[Spock]

I think anyone that thinks these problems shouldn't be happening needs to give the guys (and gals) at CERN a break.

Remember who you can ask about the LHC, who is part of this community.

[Afkeu]

Remember who you can ask about the LHC, who is part of this community.

I know! Now where has NYSEF816 gotten to...

BTW, This made me laugh:

"I don't know what country i am in because i am on a train and woke up just now and it is some ungodly hour and i have no idea where i am.... or if i missed my stop....
if i gave the impression that i am overly busy with my cool and abundant social life... yea im a theoretical physicist. i just pwned myself." - NYSEF816
(here: http://www.avatar-forums.com/general-avatar-forum/8908-153-years-pandora-2.html#post218563)

[Spock]

I know! Now where has NYSEF816 gotten to...

BTW, This made me laugh:

" I don't know what country i am in because i am on a train and woke up just now and it is some ungodly hour and i have no idea where i am.... or if i missed my stop....
if i gave the impression that i am overly busy with my cool and abundant social life... yea im a theoretical physicist. i just pwned myself." - NYSEF816
(here: http://www.avatar-forums.com/general-avatar-forum/8908-153-years-pandora-2.html#post218563)

Ha ha, yeah I saw that when he posted it. Funny story.

[HufweMakto]

CERN Plans One-Year LHC Shutdown for 2012 - Gearlog (http://www.gearlog.com/2010/03/cern_plans_one-year_lhc_shutdo.php)

That sucks.:nconfused:Hopefully this will finally get the mechanical problems sorted out, then the real show can begin.:ncool:

On a side note: Some scientists also made an interesting alternative theory for these drawbacks. Personally I think it's crap, but let's hear what the pros here have to say about it (these causality-bending things make my head hurt. :nconfused:)
Time-travelling Higgs sabotages the LHC. No, really - Short Sharp Science - New Scientist (http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/10/is-a-time-travelling-higgs-sab.html)

I remember reading about that time-traveling theory, but one has to wonder if this means the Higgs Particle has sentience...

Other than that randomness, it seems interesting that they're going to shut it down in 2012... When you realize what the year is suppose to be famous for...

[iloveneytiri1987]

I personally feel that LHC will be able to get something very interseting. Who knows they might collide the protons (to see the proposed ultimate God particle,the Higg's boson) on 23rd december 2012, the date when the maayan calendar comes to a halt?
I have a strange feeling that we will be visited by some ALIENS on that very day!!(when the LHC starts the final showdown experiment). It will be not only a memorable day for the human civilization but also a day for humans being visited by extraterrestrials!!
I think there is something more than this! What if the LHC guys would actually be performing some kind of a strange ancient ritual to invoke the extraterrestrials presence(make a contact with them )on 23/12/2012.
Moreover after seeing Avatar in theatres and for numerous times on my personal mobile, I develop a feeling that maybe somehow the Nav'i will be related to this great sojourn??
What if the maayan civilization god(founder) Quetzaalcoatyl be related to a future Nav'i on Pandora(who are technologically advanced ,may be in the year 6000A.D. or some future year ) so as to come on earth and teach the human beings??(Remember they are then advanced to develop a time machine or navigate through wormholes in the 4-d space time continuum)
I also have a feeling that James Cameron, LHC, Nav'i people on Pandora, 2012 are all somewhat related!!!!!:)

[NYSEF816]

sorry for my absence, i am back now.

those people at CERN are total morons! jk jk.....

the shut down is unfortunate, but mainly due to the fact of the unexpected shutdown right after it was initially started. this has always been a scheduled maintenance activity, but the 'crappiness' is magnified because we have had so little time to work with it. However, we all have to remember that the LHC is the most powerful machine built by humanity, prior to its building the most powerful machine was the Saturn V (it would have been the soviet counterpart moon rocket, the N-1, but it never went beyond 60 seconds of flight). The machine has what seem to me as an infinite amount of moving parts and variables. I agree with iloveneytiri1987 above me^^^ that the LHC will eventually prove to be a 'giant leap' for mankind, but do not be surprised if it takes years of sorting out details and breakdowns. and i can assure you we are only conducting physics experiments. and if somehow we see na'vi in 2012, i will be in a very good position to impress Neytiri due to my proximity to her. as the article said, this is literally a trial and error experiment. Fermilab, although a wonderful instrument of science, doesn;t come close to this degree of complexity.

Anyone who has an interest in science, espcially those who wish for a career, i will give you this advice (as i have already given Afkeu and Spock on another thread): never become frustrated. the 'eureka' moment always comes! even if it is not in your lifetime. but i have a feeling we will discover the higgs boson in our generation, and many other things

[Mongo]

This reminds me of a science fiction story I once read, several decades ago. The world's most powerful super-collider has been completed, but every time the users try to push the beam energy beyond a certain point, something happens to prevent it -- ranging from mechanical failures to sudden regional power outages.

One of the physicists involved finally decides that the 'many-worlds' interpretation of QM is true, and that those timelines where the super-collider succeeded in reaching the energy that they had been trying for, a phase transition happens and the entire universe is destroyed. So the only timelines where people still exist are the ones where something happens to stop the collider from reaching those energies.

Pure nonsense, of course -- every day, cosmic rays millions (of millions) of times more powerful than any possible collider-produced particles strike the earth, and have for billions of years, and yet we are still here. But a good story, all the same.

[Spock]

I personally feel that LHC will be able to get something very interseting. Who knows they might collide the protons (to see the proposed ultimate God particle,the Higg's boson) on 23rd december 2012, the date when the maayan calendar comes to a halt?
I have a strange feeling that we will be visited by some ALIENS on that very day!!(when the LHC starts the final showdown experiment). It will be not only a memorable day for the human civilization but also a day for humans being visited by extraterrestrials!!
I think there is something more than this! What if the LHC guys would actually be performing some kind of a strange ancient ritual to invoke the extraterrestrials presence(make a contact with them )on 23/12/2012.
Moreover after seeing Avatar in theatres and for numerous times on my personal mobile, I develop a feeling that maybe somehow the Nav'i will be related to this great sojourn??
What if the maayan civilization god(founder) Quetzaalcoatyl be related to a future Nav'i on Pandora(who are technologically advanced ,may be in the year 6000A.D. or some future year ) so as to come on earth and teach the human beings??(Remember they are then advanced to develop a time machine or navigate through wormholes in the 4-d space time continuum)
I also have a feeling that James Cameron, LHC, Nav'i people on Pandora, 2012 are all somewhat related!!!!!:)

What the hell was that all about...


and if somehow we see na'vi in 2012, i will be in a very good position to impress Neytiri due to my proximity to her.

Ha ha, wishful thinking.



Anyone who has an interest in science, espcially those who wish for a career, i will give you this advice (as i have already given Afkeu and Spock on another thread): never become frustrated. the 'eureka' moment always comes! even if it is not in your lifetime. but i have a feeling we will discover the higgs boson in our generation, and many other things

Good advice that too, thanks.

[Keiser]

Commentators on that article seem to be under the impression that if the Higgs Boson does travel back through time, it's purposefully traveling back months or something to assassinate people or cause some ridiculous event from space-time ripples. A mechanical failure at the time of attempted creation gives me the impression (though I find it unlikely) that the creation of a Higgs Boson causes so much energy it actually sends that energy to its surroundings before the collision (wtf?). If something like this were to happen, it would overheat a micromillibarelysecond before the collision. It would effectively stop its own creation and cause a collapse of the space-time of that instant, forcing that instant to cease to exist and revert to the most recently previous instant in which the Higgs Boson could not be created. Or something.

IF they travel back in time, that's probably how it works, but since they don't, well, back to slingshotting around the sun in our birds of prey to get humpbacks.

[Olaf]

On a side note: Some scientists also made an interesting alternative theory for these drawbacks. Personally I think it's crap, but let's hear what the pros here have to say about it (these causality-bending things make my head hurt. :nconfused:)
Time-travelling Higgs sabotages the LHC. No, really - Short Sharp Science - New Scientist (http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/10/is-a-time-travelling-higgs-sab.html)
Actually you should read the original paper.
Those scientists NEVER claimed that the LHC gets sabotaged by time travel.

But they devised a method to detect if that were the case.
They asked the question "How would we know if something from the future came back to change history."

[Olaf]

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I also have a feeling that James Cameron, LHC, Nav'i people on Pandora, 2012 are all somewhat related!!!!!:)
It is related because they are all fiction. :rotfl: