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Terra Blue
03-01-2010, 08:21 AM
From IMDB:

Weaver To Rise From Dead In Next “Avatar” (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni1670090/) :)

I figured JC would do this and included it my story!

Human No More
03-01-2010, 08:30 AM
Nice :nsmile:

I was hoping she would, that article a couple of days ago and now this are good news.

Shatnerpossum
03-01-2010, 08:55 AM
Nice, but IMDB has a lousy track record of predictions.

last shadow
03-01-2010, 09:47 AM
Yeah Id like her back too

Muntxa
03-01-2010, 10:32 AM
Yaaaaaaaaay what good news! I was so angry and disappointed that she died... And my friends, too.
Hopefully it's true.

Vision89
03-01-2010, 12:18 PM
Thats definitely amazing.... ;)

Pandora's Child
03-01-2010, 01:08 PM
I'd prefer Trudy back but Grace is all right i guess.

Treefriend
03-01-2010, 02:17 PM
Yes, now I'm really excited!

TarukMakto
03-01-2010, 02:31 PM
Yes!!!

Tudhalyas
03-01-2010, 02:49 PM
I'm really happy about that. I wonder how JC will resurrect her!

In any case... tewtì! :nlol:

HeraldofEywa
03-01-2010, 02:52 PM
Would be nice to see more familiar faces. Now I'm wondering about Quaritch.

Demiurgos
03-01-2010, 03:02 PM
Would be nice to see more familiar faces. Now I'm wondering about Quaritch.

Quaritch will be back alright, you can bet on it !
Imagine how poorer the movie will be without him !

Avery
03-01-2010, 04:32 PM
I wonder how they will discover shes still in the tree if JC sticks with this idea.

chawk1993
03-01-2010, 06:02 PM
GOTTA LOVE JIM AND HIS CHARACTERS. Hopefully Grace wil stay alive this time round. lol.

Fko Lrrtok
03-01-2010, 06:38 PM
I'm in two minds about this, as much as I like the character of grace, I wonder if it would seem corny to have her back, unless it is done in a spiritual sense.
I have nothing against her character as I quite like Grace, but bringing the dead to life is like never moving on. I disagree in bringing Trudy and Quaritch back as well, otherwise it might as well be Avatar again and the storyline travel in circles.
At least the possibility of Grace coming back could be done as we don't know enough of Eywa and how she could accomplish this.
Unfortunately if she does come back we will know a lot more intricate details about Eywa, and I was hoping that part of the mystery of Eywa would remain just that, a mystery.
Nevertheless, It was James Cameron who delivered us this masterpiece in the first place and it is his vision that will see us through the sequels, and because of this I'm 100% sure the sequel will not disapoint.

Lukas
03-01-2010, 06:42 PM
Oh man its still a long road to Avatar 2 and the suspense is killing me. Nice to hear Grace is coming back, i was hoping she would.

brianct
03-01-2010, 10:01 PM
I'm in two minds about this, as much as I like the character of grace, I wonder if it would seem corny to have her back, unless it is done in a spiritual sense.
I have nothing against her character as I quite like Grace, but bringing the dead to life is like never moving on. I disagree in bringing Trudy and Quaritch back as well, otherwise it might as well be Avatar again and the storyline travel in circles.
At least the possibility of Grace coming back could be done as we don't know enough of Eywa and how she could accomplish this.
Unfortunately if she does come back we will know a lot more intricate details about Eywa, and I was hoping that part of the mystery of Eywa would remain just that, a mystery.
Nevertheless, It was James Cameron who delivered us this masterpiece in the first place and it is his vision that will see us through the sequels, and because of this I'm 100% sure the sequel will not disapoint.


some good points there...theres always the dread he will ruin the mythology, perhaps by making Eywa just another super computer! Better to keep her mysterious and numinous...

Khirzask
03-01-2010, 10:23 PM
I'm in two minds about this, as much as I like the character of grace, I wonder if it would seem corny to have her back, unless it is done in a spiritual sense.
I have nothing against her character as I quite like Grace, but bringing the dead to life is like never moving on. I disagree in bringing Trudy and Quaritch back as well, otherwise it might as well be Avatar again and the storyline travel in circles.
At least the possibility of Grace coming back could be done as we don't know enough of Eywa and how she could accomplish this.
Unfortunately if she does come back we will know a lot more intricate details about Eywa, and I was hoping that part of the mystery of Eywa would remain just that, a mystery.
Nevertheless, It was James Cameron who delivered us this masterpiece in the first place and it is his vision that will see us through the sequels, and because of this I'm 100% sure the sequel will not disapoint.


Agreed. I think it's a risky move bringing Grace "back", as it will force a lot of the mystery to about the true nature of Eywa to be explained. Sometimes the simplest answers are the best in cases like this, as explained in this io9 post about Midichlorians (http://io9.com/5478314/the-real-problem-with-midichlorians)

brianct
03-01-2010, 10:45 PM
Agreed. I think it's a risky move bringing Grace "back", as it will force a lot of the mystery to about the true nature of Eywa to be explained. Sometimes the simplest answers are the best in cases like this, as explained in this io9 post about Midichlorians (http://io9.com/5478314/the-real-problem-with-midichlorians)

interestingly mkidichlorians bear aresemblance to a real scientific finding back in the 19th century: Beauchamp's Microzymas,

'While labouring on problems of fermentation - the breakdown complex molecules into organic compounds via a "ferment" - Béchamp, at his microscope, seemed to be able to visualise a host of tiny bodies in his fermenting solutions. Even before Béchamps time other researchers had observed, but passed off as unexplainable, what they called "scintillating corpuscles" or "molecular granulations". It was Béchamp who, able to ascribe strong enzymatic reactions to them, was led to coin a new word to describe them: microzymas, or "tiny ferments'

...
Béchamp went on to study microzymas located in the bodies of animals and came to the startling conclusion that the tiny forms were more basic to life than cells, long considered to be the building blocks of all living matter. Béchamp thought the microzymas to be fundamental elements responsible for the activity of cells, tissues, organs, indeed whole living organisms, from bacteria to whales, and larks to human beings. He even found them present in life-engendering eggs, where they were responsible for the eggs' further development while themselves undergoing significant changes.

Most incredible to Béchamp was the fact that when there occurred an event serious enough to affect the whole of an organism disturbing the natural balance, the microzymas within the organism would begin working to disintegrate the organism totally converting themselves to bacteria and other microbes, while at the same time continuing to survive. As proof of such survival, Béchamp found them in soil, swamps, chimney soot, street dust, even in air and water. These basic, and apparently eternal, elements of which we and all our animal relatives are composed survive the remnants of living cells in our bodies. So seemingly indestructible were the microzymas that Béchamp could even find them in limestone dating back 60 million years. They are to be considered the seeds of life.'
etc

The Origin of "Germs" (http://freespace.virgin.net/ahcare.qua/literature/medical/originofgerms.html)

midichlorians:

'Midi-chlorians were intelligent microscopic life forms that lived symbiotically inside the cells of all living things. When present in sufficient numbers, they could allow their symbiont to detect the pervasive energy field known as the Force.'
Midi-chlorian - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian)

~ViperSB1~
03-02-2010, 12:01 AM
What Is This Blasphemy??

feystorm
03-02-2010, 05:43 AM
Ya, this has been posted a dozen times from a dozen different sources, and one thing in common is that none of them say anything about 'definite'.
JC isnt stupid, he said he'd *like* to have the cast back together for A2, but he wont do it if it cant be done well.

Angry Na'vi
03-03-2010, 09:38 PM
I am just going to speculate or offer an opinion. I could see her coming back as something like a spirit. Along of the lines of Obi-Wan Kenobi coming back in spirit form in the Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi. I kind of doubt Cameron will bring her back as an actual life form. Weaver is a big star and Cameron likes her a lot. She probably wants to be in it someway. Her death was somewhat different in Avatar so I could see them getting her back in the plot someway. I think it will be in a reduced but important role. We shall see!

sava
03-13-2010, 08:19 AM
good. but I want Trudy to get back too :(

Drewan
03-13-2010, 11:06 AM
I am just going to speculate or offer an opinion. I could see her coming back as something like a spirit. Along of the lines of Obi-Wan Kenobi coming back in spirit form in the Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi. I kind of doubt Cameron will bring her back as an actual life form. Weaver is a big star and Cameron likes her a lot. She probably wants to be in it someway. Her death was somewhat different in Avatar so I could see them getting her back in the plot someway. I think it will be in a reduced but important role. We shall see!

We could also see like LOTR & Gandalf--Gandalf was "resurrected" because he was needed--I can see the same here--Grace has skills that "could" be important to the future of Pandora---either as a spokesperson for Eywa or for her knowledge. I could guess several ways that the RDA could retaliate---Bio warfare is one that comes to mind--they do have a fair knowledge of Pandora's biosphere.....

EarthLover18
03-13-2010, 07:06 PM
There is so much potential for the story in Avatar 2! Grace returning is awsome. Hopefully there will at least be a trailer for it by the end of 2011.

Txontirea
03-14-2010, 06:16 AM
Can't wait. Gotta stop thinking about it, still a LONG way away people.

mineee
03-14-2010, 07:42 AM
I'm in two minds about this, as much as I like the character of grace, I wonder if it would seem corny to have her back, unless it is done in a spiritual sense.
I have nothing against her character as I quite like Grace, but bringing the dead to life is like never moving on. I disagree in bringing Trudy and Quaritch back as well, otherwise it might as well be Avatar again and the storyline travel in circles.
At least the possibility of Grace coming back could be done as we don't know enough of Eywa and how she could accomplish this.

I agree with you. I don't want Grace to be back neither, it would be just streching soooo far. Everything shouldn't be possibble just because it's a fictional movie. And as you sad, if we'll have the same charachters, second will be a duplicate.

Seamus
03-14-2010, 09:33 AM
I agree with you. I don't want Grace to be back neither, it would be just streching soooo far. Everything shouldn't be possibble just because it's a fictional movie. And as you sad, if we'll have the same charachters, second will be a duplicate.
How is it stretching soooo far?

What did Mo'at say had to happen for Grace to come back in her Avatar body?
"She must pass through the eye of Eywa and return."
She did not say it had to happen right away. If Grace returns before her Avatar body dies of dehydration, there's no stretch about it! In fact, Mo'at seems to lack conviction concerning her explanation as to why it didn't 'work'.
"Her wounds were too great. There was not enough time."
Mo'at knows that there IS no time, in the spirit world. And she knows that physical wounds did not harm Grace's spirit. Hence the odd look on her face. She doesn't look sad, she looks puzzled.

I think Grace is busy with Eywa, learning all she can. She was so amazed that Eywa is real... It's no wonder she didn't want to 'return' right away! She's still around for sure. You can hear her whisper "Yes." in agreement with Jake when he says in his prayer "They killed their mother, and they're going to do the same thing here". That whisper was put there for us to hear.

Txontirea
03-14-2010, 09:37 AM
Yeah I don't think its far fetched at all, she did go into the Tree Of Souls. So she will probably come back as like SUPER GRACE with all of Eywa's knowledge and stuff. Now if Trudy were to come back, that would be far-fetched.

SnowRider
03-14-2010, 01:21 PM
I don't think we'll see Grace returning in physical form because eventually her Avatar body will die without food, water, etc.

My guess is she will return as the "Voice of Eywa" or something like that.

In other words, she will be back as as the manifestation of Eywa's will if Eywa has a more active role in the sequel(s) and that decision is up to James Cameron, of course.

Avatarguy004
03-14-2010, 01:36 PM
I'm hoping only in flashbacks.

Atokirina'
03-14-2010, 01:38 PM
That's definitely good news, I read a similar post a few days ago and I'm really happy. I hope CMQ is not coming back though.