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Flipsider

02-14-2010, 12:50 PM

Forjen

02-18-2010, 10:56 PM

There's not that much wrong with this world, yet. There's still a lot of beautiful things out there, even in the smallest details of life. I'm sure you've heard people say that the small things in life are the most worthy of appreciation. They are part of everyone's lives but you won't notice it until it's gone, because it all seems so common to us. But as of now, although I know what you are speaking of, our world isn't in that bad of a shape yet. I know that most of us don't have the necessary abilities to survive in our world as the Na'Vi do in theirs, as technology play a very big role in our life now. However, there are still things out there worth preserving. If our generation is able to unite, we can make it so that our world never turn out the way that they did in Avatar. Pandora is the representation of a perfect world, but since we don't live on Pandora, we may as well make the best of Earth.

Vincent Vega

02-20-2010, 10:37 AM

IMO

- Greed, the Capitalistic mind state, Money, corruption in politics, and Oil. Find a damn eco-friendly substitute already!!! JEEZ
- Destroying forests, pollution
- Religion, not saying its a bad thing thats destroying the world - but the fact that people are killing each other over religious beliefs, STILL, is horrid.
- War, violence, nuclear weapons
- Overpopulation, its gonna be a serious problem soon but not in our life time.
- STDs, AIDs, and other deadly diseases in this world

Need I go on?

Orcakat

02-20-2010, 11:03 AM

There are many problems in this world, most (but not all) being man-made problems...

1.Pollution
2. Deforestation
3. War (The human's desire to overpower/dominate/control all that surrounds them disgusts me... )

The thing that irks me the most is that these things could easily be prevented if most of the population cared... We all contribute to one of these things sometime in our lives. (I'm not saying everyone causes this to happen, just that we all contribute to this at least once in our life.)

The world is NOT gray... yet. There are many wonderful places around us filled with beauty and color... Let's just hope those places stay that way.

ProfoundHeart

02-20-2010, 11:07 AM

There's nothing wrong with the world. It's the people that are oh so wrong.

Tudhalyas

02-20-2010, 11:18 AM

There's nothing wrong with the world. It's the people that are oh so wrong.
This. ^

Oraenxienael

02-20-2010, 11:50 AM

Yea, I am reminded of a quote by Samael Aun Weor, "The mind of the masses reflects the mind of the individual."

If we examine the psychology of the human individual(s) which comprise the whole, there are internal anomalies which reflect upon the outside world and therein lies the key issue.

To me there are clearly two worlds people live in. There's the Natural World and the Secular One. The Natural is real, the Secular is a thing people created to live in that usually does not harmonize with the natural and is out of equilibrium.

Flipsider

02-20-2010, 03:04 PM

Yeah.. I was referring to all man-made problems.
I feel that while we were growing up, we've been cursed with greed. Sometimes greed is good..
But when you don't know when to stop, it is not!

When I walk through the streets, ride on a train and look out the window or watch tv, I get so disgusted by the grey roads, houses, colorless metal, plastic, it all seems junk to me nowadays..
Also jobs, its unbelievable how many office jobs there are.
This is the age to make a difference. If not in our lifetime, our kids will mostly have robots as their friends.

Orcakat

02-20-2010, 06:31 PM

If not in our lifetime, our kids will mostly have robots as their friends.

It's funny that you should mention this... yesterday I had a conversation with my chemistry teacher about the future, and how technology will affect us in the long-run...

He talked about how technology is slowly taking over, and taking up peoples' jobs. Many of the low-skill/ low-labor jobs are now being done by robots. It's cheaper, the robots don't need benefits and don't complain... so these lo-labor jobs are slowly vanishing.My chemistry teacher and I have the fear that within my lifetime, we could have a crisis upon our hands. (Not enough jobs for the amount of people we have).

Things could go wrong very quickly.

(I hope this isn't off topic...)

chickenjoe

02-20-2010, 07:08 PM

You shouldn´t ask What's wrong with this world? but instead, ask " Whats wrong with the humans?"

Prometheus

02-20-2010, 07:13 PM

It's funny that you should mention this... yesterday I had a conversation with my chemistry teacher about the future, and how technology will affect us in the long-run...

He talked about how technology is slowly taking over, and taking up peoples' jobs. Many of the low-skill/ low-labor jobs are now being done by robots. It's cheaper, the robots don't need benefits and don't complain... so these lo-labor jobs are slowly vanishing.My chemistry teacher and I have the fear that within my lifetime, we could have a crisis upon our hands. (Not enough jobs for the amount of people we have).

Things could go wrong very quickly.

(I hope this isn't off topic...)

This is why our education systems need to have a radical overhaul. in anticipation of the menial jobs being taken over by machines. It means more concentration on things like vocational jobs, socially oriented jobs, the arts, environmentally oriented jobs, more recreational pursuits, a return to a local economy/farming/manufacturing. Plus also a greater emphasis on the academic side of learning as well...more sciences, engineering etc etc.

Our society as it is isn't working....look at the amount of disease and stress we face, and yet this is supposed to be as good as it gets. Most jobs these days, even the highly paid ones, are nothing more than terms of indentured slavery and yet most people either put up with it or don't realise it. The present system is grinding our society into the ground, and all for the benefit of a very few.

Wildfeatures

02-21-2010, 03:03 AM

Say that we have 10 lakes with fish in them. We have different owners for each one of the lakes.

Say that 9 of them, lakes 2-10, only take up as much as is replenished each year -10%.
And also say that the owner of lake 1 takes up as much as he can, say 90%. So owner one stands with 90% while the other 9 owners stand with 10% + 10% + 10% + 10% + 10% + 10% + 10% + 10% + 10% = 90%.

That means that owner one has half of the market. He can probably dump prices and
force one of the other owners out of business and buy it cheap. He also goes to one of the other owners and say: I'll buy your lake for 50%. Take the money and then you can retire. So he buys lake 2 and again takes all of the fish up. He also takes all of the fish up from the lake where the owner was forced out of business. He now has 180% (90% of the fish available from each of the lakes). The other owners still take up just 10% so they have 7*10% = 70%. He now totally dominates the market and can buy up the other lakes.

We need to set a price for the ecosystem, ocean, which is higher then the value of all
the resources in it. We need to make it worth more to have a functional ecosystem
than to ruthlessly exploit it. A functioning world must be worth more then a
non-functioning one. One where the fish is gone, the rivers and lakes polluted, the forests gone, the atmosphere unclean etc.

The problem with this is that then the value would have to remain (except from what
can be renewable taken) in the forests and in the lakes and oceans. There are a lot
of corporations out there that would rather have that money in their pockets.

Human No More

02-21-2010, 05:26 AM

Everything. First and foremost, us.
But apart from that, Earth is just so boring, so dead. There are no Ikran, next to no bioluminescence, no tsahaylu, everything looks the same.

Wildfeatures

02-21-2010, 05:28 AM

There is more then you think.

Flipsider

02-21-2010, 07:55 AM

There is more then you think.

True, think of the historic dinosaurs which were right here on earth!
Apart from that, we are hunting so many animals, so many got instinct.. because of us. And the zoos..
I know it's no Pandora but it could've been close to it. There's still a great amount of beautiful things in this world.. But in the end, all we do is replace those things with our technology.
Say we find one (and only one) dragon or creature from planet Pandora on Earth in this lifetime.. then we will likely be it's cause of death.

Malu tek tek

02-21-2010, 07:58 AM

my freind went and say avatar a week after me and he said how absolutly horrible he felt about all the things that we are doing to the earth. so i said to him "welcome to the real world, it sucks"

Draklord

02-21-2010, 08:00 AM

The Venus Project (http://www.thevenusproject.com/) this site is cool check it out!!!:P :D

KayCee

02-22-2010, 04:18 AM

Religion is overrated (everybody should do this for himself - nobody should teach you what you have to believe), technologies are developed in the wrong direction, People don't think far enough or for the good of everyone...

Just my opinion...

Mobius

02-23-2010, 09:30 PM

See my signature. Please look into the movements that I linked to you.

SoggPowder

02-24-2010, 01:49 AM

I'd like to know your opinion.
Avatar made me realize more about our world (not earth, but man-kind and everything we do)..
Every day I think of what is wrong with our world and what we make (made) of it.
When people ask me about what I see wrong in this world or when I sometimes complain about things I don't really know how to explain it.
I know many of you think the same, Avatar is like a dream world.
But I'm sure our world used to be better than it is now also.
I have just one word for our world Gray

There is nothing really wrong with our planet. There is problems, yeah, but nothing wrong. We grew on this planet learning to become masters of what is around us. We have solved problems in the past that have given us new problems today. We will solve those problems but down the line that will create more problems to overcome.

There is nothing wrong with that, it is 100% completely natural. Its called evolution. That is the basic description of what evolution is: "Solving problems to make life better." We are better today because we have solved the problems of the past just like the next generation after us will be better by solving the problems we have today. It will continue to be this way until we become perfect (which is probably a long way off).

You say the world looks gray. Well first off its the middle of winter, that is what happens in winter (and man had nothing to do with that). Second, you do not see. You don't see that we are surrounded by beauty you just have to know how to look for it.

Take for example this video i shot the other day during a snow storm. I thought it was a particularly wonderful day because it was one of the two days we get around here with out wind.

YouTube - Snowday

You see look at all that beauty! That is no more than 10 steps out of my front door. That's only 10 steps. What if i took twenty or thirty or a hundred or a million, what could i find then.

*Just a few things about that movie clip i posted. First i put the music in the video to cover up my coat scratching every time i moved. Second, that is my truck out there, i went green and got a hybrid (it runs off of diesel, regular, kerosene, french fry oil, and jet fuel... hybrid).

J Sully

02-24-2010, 04:42 AM

what´s wrong with this world?

hhmmm i can only think of one word

mankind.

just like Agent Smith said:

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

Mobius

02-24-2010, 10:12 AM

If only you could realize how horrible and self-destructive that point of view is.

what´s wrong with this world?

hhmmm i can only think of one word

mankind.

just like Agent Smith said:

Quote:
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

Grif

02-24-2010, 10:39 AM

Most problems can be summarized by this: people are a problem.

And here is another thing, their is large number of people who realize we have problems but fail to do anything about it.

Oh and also there is the government, not that governments are necessarily bad, it's just impossible to be perfect.

Tsu'Tay

02-24-2010, 10:40 AM

http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2010/02/2178.jpg

Mobius

02-24-2010, 10:52 AM

The System is the problem. The system not the people. Perople do what their environment teaches them to do, and that environment is the Monetary System. And you can see how that has worked out. There are much better ways of living.

Flipsider

02-24-2010, 12:09 PM

Mobius

02-24-2010, 12:14 PM

And we can change it.

J Sully

02-24-2010, 03:07 PM

If only you could realize how horrible and self-destructive that point of view is.

And we can change it.

for me, after i have seen what we are capable off, it´s the only real few.

i don´t think that we can change it. we are too into it. money dictates the way of live. and the power is where the money is. it´s a sad thing but true. i live my life as best as i can do and as best as i can make it up with my conscience.

Keiraak

02-24-2010, 03:28 PM

Vincent Vega

02-24-2010, 03:33 PM

just like Agent Smith said:

Quote:
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

So true, totally forgot about that quote! Good job my man, seeing as this totally relates and pretty much just /thread.

Mobius

02-24-2010, 04:34 PM

The problem is that no matter how everyone tells us it's beautiful and we must preserve it, no one really gives two s****. Humanity is self destructive, we can't hit out at our nature so we continue in a subconcious effort to get it over with

That post contradicts itself.

I for one gives two ****s, so does a helluva lot of people on this planet. (And apparently so do you)

We can change anything. Anything is possible once you find a solution to a problem, every problem has a solution.

You people keep on rambling on about how horrible we are and we will never change, well you'll get that non-existant change and self-destruction if you keep sitting there moaning about how you hate yourself. See those problems, learn the casues to those problems, then fix them via a solution. Afterwards you must educate others to learn how to avoid the problem in the first place.

All things that seem like "Human nature" to do, like killing, stealing, etc are false. There is a cause to everything someone and its not written in our DNA. Its in the our environment we have created and is a solvable solution.

There is no such thing as "Human nature" that casues bad things to happen.

Humanity is not static, it's an ever evolving sentience, there will be problems on the way.