SPARTAN vs. Na'vi

[ProfoundHeart]

NOTICE: Please read bottom in order to understand the combat circumstances

So guys, i was just wondering, who would win, in a hand-to-hand combat fight between a:

SPARTAN II/Supersoldier - Best known character > John 117, Master Chief.

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Height: 8 ft.
Weight: Nearly 1 ton.
Strength: I was unable to find the exact strength, to that compared with humans. But Spartans are at least twice as strong.

Abilities: Spartans were trained to do nothing but tactical combat. They eat, breath and sleep combat. They are the best of the best, Ghosts in the Darkness, so to speak. They are extremely fast, unbelievable reflexes, and tactically genius.

Na'vi - Best known Character - Jake Sully.

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Height: 9-10 feet.
Weight: Not exactly sure, but considering they're height, i would say around 450-500 pounds, on average.
Strength: 4 times that of a human. With natural carbon fiber in their bones.

Abilities: The Na'vi are very fast, agile and unbelievable hunters. A Na'vi warrior is the king of his domain, they see you, you don't see them. A Na'vi warrior is a combat artist. They fight for what is right, for their hearts.

So who would be victorious? It's up to you.
But please leave intelligent answers, i feel this is the ultimate match-up. I'd like to hear your awesome opinions! :)

Note: This is strictly hand-to-hand combat, with maybe the slight exception of a knife.

KNOW: For this, consider the SPARTAN without his shield. But still his armour.

Thanks guys!

[Shatnerpossum]

I think the Spartan wins by virtue of his armor.

[NYSEF816]

does the spartan have his battle armor on?

i would go with SPARTAN. after augmentation they are literally super-organic with unbreakable bones, incredibly fast reaction times and almost perfect vision, including night vision.

but it would be a helluva fight

nice post

[NaviDomas]

I think the Na'vi Because they are 10 ft tall and are very accurate with their bows which can be armour piercing and do have poison at the tips which could kill the spartans within 4 minutes i think. Oh ya are the Na'vis allowed to use the toruk and the thanator while in battle?

[ProfoundHeart]

does the spartan have his battle armor on?

i would go with SPARTAN. after augmentation they are literally super-organic with unbreakable bones, incredibly fast reaction times and almost perfect vision, including night vision.

but it would be a helluva fight

nice post

Yes, i was considering putting this up saying they do not have their armor equipped, but it would just be unbalanced.

Good answer man.

[ProfoundHeart]

I think the Na'vi Because they are 10 ft tall and are very accurate with their bows which can be armour piercing and do have poison at the tips which could kill the spartans within 4 minutes i think. Oh ya are the Na'vis allowed to use the toruk and the thanator while in battle?

No, strictly hand-to-hand.

[NaviDomas]

No, strictly hand-to-hand.

Hmmm, for some reason im still going with the navi because of their height and their fast and agile probably able to dodge most of attacks

[Shatnerpossum]

I think the Na'vi Because they are 10 ft tall and are very accurate with their bows which can be armour piercing and do have poison at the tips which could kill the spartans within 4 minutes i think. Oh ya are the Na'vis allowed to use the toruk and the thanator while in battle?

Natural materials just can't penetrate the armor. The Na'vi arrows could only penetrate glass, not actual armor.

[ProfoundHeart]

Hmmm, for some reason im still going with the navi because of their height and their fast and agile probably able to dodge most of attacks

This is where it's very hard to say exactly, they both are super agile and fast.
It's an awesome match-up.

Thanks for the input man!

[NaviDomas]

Natural materials just can't penetrate the armor. The Na'vi arrows could only penetrate glass, not actual armor.

Oh ok but still hand to hand combat, the spartans have no chance

[NYSEF816]

Oh ok but still hand to hand combat, the spartans have no chance

I realize this isnt a bragging point for humanity but, i think it is safe to say we have a far more developed system and theory of Martial Arts then do the na'vi, if for only the simple reason of having to use it more often (and not to mention its pivotal importance in many cultures as both a dance and a way of fighting). The same goes with military strategy: again, not a braggin point, but humans have a far more advanced system of running military operations and maneuvering forces. you can see this when the na'vi attacked humans in the last battle, although very courageous, there was no attempt to flank or divide the enemy at all, it was just a full on charge.

an example of hand to hand combat and (possible) human superiority is when Tsu'Tey attacked jake after mating with Neytiri; unarmed Jake was able to subdue Tsu'Tey with a simple Judo move, i.e. using Tsu'Tey's motion against him.

So i certainly respect your opinion, but i think a supersoldier like a SPARTAN would actually hold an advantage in technical knowledge of hand to hand combat

[xXTaronyuXx]

Im going to have to go with the Spartan. Iv'e read every Halo book with Spartans so I know what they're capable of. Not so much with the Na'vi. It's really hard to put these two up against each other because of their skills.

I believe the outcome would be the Spartan barely being able to defeat the Na'vi because a Spartan has more endurance. The Spartan would walk away, but be overcome by his injuries due to the fight.

So pretty much they both won/lost

[NaviDomas]

I realize this isnt a bragging point for humanity but, i think it is safe to say we have a far more developed system and theory of Martial Arts then do the na'vi, if for only the simple reason of having to use it more often (and not to mention its pivotal importance in many cultures as both a dance and a way of fighting). The same goes with military strategy: again, not a braggin point, but humans have a far more advanced system of running military operations and maneuvering forces. you can see this when the na'vi attacked humans in the last battle, although very courageous, there was no attempt to flank or divide the enemy at all, it was just a full on charge.

an example of hand to hand combat and (possible) human superiority is when Tsu'Tey attacked jake after mating with Neytiri; unarmed Jake was able to subdue Tsu'Tey with a simple Judo move, i.e. using Tsu'Tey's motion against him.

So i certainly respect your opinion, but i think a supersoldier like a SPARTAN would actually hold an advantage in technical knowledge of hand to hand combat

Hmmmm goodpoint

[ProfoundHeart]

I realize this isnt a bragging point for humanity but, i think it is safe to say we have a far more developed system and theory of Martial Arts then do the na'vi, if for only the simple reason of having to use it more often (and not to mention its pivotal importance in many cultures as both a dance and a way of fighting). The same goes with military strategy: again, not a braggin point, but humans have a far more advanced system of running military operations and maneuvering forces. you can see this when the na'vi attacked humans in the last battle, although very courageous, there was no attempt to flank or divide the enemy at all, it was just a full on charge.

an example of hand to hand combat and (possible) human superiority is when Tsu'Tey attacked jake after mating with Neytiri; unarmed Jake was able to subdue Tsu'Tey with a simple Judo move, i.e. using Tsu'Tey's motion against him.

So i certainly respect your opinion, but i think a supersoldier like a SPARTAN would actually hold an advantage in technical knowledge of hand to hand combat

Definitely a HUGE factor. It may be the thing that makes, or breaks the Spartan.

[Keye'ung]

the spartan will have the mental edge but the na'vi will have the drive

if i had to choose a warrior i would choose the spartan,if had to choose someone to fight for my life i would choose the na'vi

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

You had to go there....

[ProfoundHeart]

You had to go there....

Haha, oh I did.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Haha, oh I did.

Well I will remain neutral then....:)

[ProfoundHeart]

Well I will remain neutral then....:)

Haha, that's where i am too. Both are under equal respect for me.

[Grif]

Why are there always some many who is better threads?

Ok look I'm going to go fanboy on you.

There are three types of Spartans

The Spartan IIs are the second strongest, they have been genetically modified and have strong armor.

The second type is Master Chief. He is the leader of the Spartan IIs. He is different in the fact that he has an AI with him (Cortana), Mjolnir V (and later VI) armor which has a recharging energy shield (the tech was stolen from the covenant).

Then their are the Spartan - IIIs, I know little about them other than the fact that they have less powerful armor and are more tactical squad based soldiers. They were faster to train.

So Master Chief would win, Spartan-IIs would probably win, with a one on one against a Spartan-III it would be a fair fight, but if it was 4 on 4 the Spartan-IIIs would win.

[Human No More]

Na'vi, easily.

[ProfoundHeart]

Why are there always some many who is better threads?

Ok look I'm going to go fanboy on you.

There are three types of Spartans

The Spartan IIs are the second strongest, they have been genetically modified and have strong armor.

The second type is Master Chief. He is the leader of the Spartan IIs. He is different in the fact that he has an AI with him (Cortana), Mjolnir V (and later VI) armor which has a recharging energy shield (the tech was stolen from the covenant).

Then their are the Spartan - IIIs, I know little about them other than the fact that they have less powerful armor and are more tactical squad based soldiers. They were faster to train.

So Master Chief would win, Spartan-IIs would probably win, with a one on one against a Spartan-III it would be a fair fight, but if it was 4 on 4 the Spartan-IIIs would win.

Well said, I've read all the books. So i know what Spartans there are.

All the SPARTAN III's were killed off on one mission, with the exception of 2. Then there was another batch built up with the help of a MIA Spartan, Kurt.

I agree, It would be a different fight between a Na'vi, and Master Chief, and a Na'vi and a regular SPARTAN II.

[Atokirina']

I think the Spartan wins by virtue of his armor.
^This.

[Fridge Magnet]

I think Na'vi maybe whipping out his dagger and stabbing it into the Chief's neck:nsmile: It looks kinda not much armor there, just my opinion :nsmile:

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Ok if it was Neytiri vs Master Chief Neytiri would kill him....there would be no competition or if and or buts....That's what probably would happen Neytiri would end up saving Jake from Master Chief....

[Atokirina']

I think Na'vi maybe whipping out his dagger and stabbing it into the Chief's neck:nsmile: It looks kinda not much armor there, just my opinion :nsmile:
Do you think the Chief is that stupid? Look at all that he did by himself.:P

['ew]

Do you really think the chief or any of the spartans would side with the RDA. Just Saying

[ProfoundHeart]

I think Na'vi maybe whipping out his dagger and stabbing it into the Chief's neck:nsmile: It looks kinda not much armor there, just my opinion :nsmile:

For the sake of argument, Master Chief is the best of the best in all types of combat. It would be very hard to get a knife near the Chiefs neck. As it would a Na'vi, seeing as given they're abilities, they would always be moving.

[Dusso Janladde]

A Spratan would win by virtue of the armor. There's really nothing a Na'vi who's unarrmed or armed with just a knife could do against it.

Now, If we were talking about an unarmored Spartan VS a Na'vi, it would be pretty even... if we're talking any Na'vi VS any Spartan, or Jake Sully VS Master Chief. Jake Sully would be able to beat an ordinary Spartan, and Master Chief would be able to beat an ordinary Na'vi.

Now, here's one to beat... a Space Marine from Warhammer 40k. How many Spartans/Na'vi/AMP Suits would it take to beat one of them?

[Treefriend]

I'm no Halo fan, so I think I'm just going to go with the Na'vi because of sheer physical size.

['ew]

I bealive he also has some sort of nural implants giving him faster reaction time than even the Na'vi.

[ProfoundHeart]

Do you really think the chief or any of the spartans would side with the RDA. Just Saying

No, they would not kill innocent Na'vi. But they would follow orders.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

HEY HEY WAIT A MINUTE! I Drew The Neytiri card...Master Chief Lost...:victory:

['ew]

Spartens are the same size as Na'vi and way 1000Lbs

[ProfoundHeart]

HEY HEY WAIT A MINUTE! I Drew The Neytiri card...Master Chief Lost...:victory:

Big Font = Epic win! Haha. :P

[ProfoundHeart]

Spartens are the same size as Na'vi and way 1000Lbs

Spartans are actual 1 to 2 feet shorter. But it would not count against them.

['ew]

HaHahahahahahaahahah.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Big Font = Epic win! Haha. :P

oh and the word "Neytiri" = Win :)

['ew]

Thay are half a ton though.(in there armor)

[ProfoundHeart]

Thay are half a ton though.(in there armor)

Yes, they are about 850-900 pounds.

[hello]

it probably depends on the area but jake still wins imo..here are the settinings.

Pandora:jake wins easily

earth (master chiefs time period) : master chief (only if he knew his surroundings)

Empty square room: jake

[NYSEF816]

i still would say SPARTAN II, even if unarmored. these are genetically enhanced, incredibly smart supersoldiers taught hand to hand combat and military strategy since they were kidnapped by the UNSC when they were little children. I just dont see the physical size of a na'vi offsetting the decades of combat training and physical augmentation/conditioning.

[ProfoundHeart]

i still would say SPARTAN II, even if unarmored. these are genetically enhanced, incredibly smart supersoldiers taught hand to hand combat and military strategy since they were kidnapped by the UNSC when they were little children. I just dont see the physical size of a na'vi offsetting the decades of combat training and physical augmentation/conditioning.

Good point.
It's really unknown, anything could happen, realistically.

['ew]

Of course hello, No weapons and the spartan had his armor on. A steel fist would hurt.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

I will say this again......

i have the neytiri card! Master chief and all the spartans have lost sorry end of thread..............

[NYSEF816]

Good point.
It's really unknown, anything could happen, realistically.

yes it is im actually very curious at this point

[Human No More]

Now, here's one to beat... a Space Marine from Warhammer 40k. How many Spartans/Na'vi/AMP Suits would it take to beat one of them?
An AMP suit could kill a space marine in close combat, but if the marine had his bolter, he could easily blow the AMP suit to pieces. If the space marine had a power weapon or similar, I would go with him but it would be a close fight I think (assuming a skilled driver in the AMP suit). A Spartan wouldn't stand a chance in either circumstance against one unless they outnumbered him by a lot or the space marine had no helmet and they got a lucky headshot or stabbed him in the face, same with Na'vi.

[Pa'li Makto]

I'd say it would be pretty much even-
It'd all do with who can handle the most bludgeoning
with melee.
Could be anyone's game.

[NYSEF816]

I'd say it would be pretty much even-
It'd all do with who can handle the most bludgeoning
with melee.
Could be anyone's game.

yea it just might turn into a multiplayer-type scenario here you both run out of ammo and are just hitting each other and hoping your connection is less glitchy :)

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

yea it just might turn into a multiplayer-type scenario here you both run out of ammo and are just hitting each other and hoping your connection is less glitchy :)

ha ha ha! :rotfl:

[Glorfac]

i still would say SPARTAN II, even if unarmored. these are genetically enhanced, incredibly smart supersoldiers taught hand to hand combat and military strategy since they were kidnapped by the UNSC when they were little children. I just dont see the physical size of a na'vi offsetting the decades of combat training and physical augmentation/conditioning.

i have to agree. I (as im sure many others here) have read all the HALO books so far, and while I love the Na'vi with every fiber of my being and would root for them none-the-less, the Spartan (especially John) would win an a hand-to-hand combat fight. Spartans have roughly (though just a tad bit less) strength than an Elite, which is already about 4x as strong as a normal human, so Na'Vi and Spartan are evenly matched with strength. As for speed/endurance/training/pure skill, well again, the Spartan would win. To bring up a point thats already been made, Tsu'Tey was relatively easily beaten by Jake, so if a regular Na'Vi warrior was to fight a Spartan, the warrior would be solidly defeated within the first few seconds of the fight.

Again, I love the Na'Vi but they just can't stand up to Spartans when it comes to hand-to-hand combat, im sorry but it's the truth

['ew]

Word, I love the Na'vi to especialy Neytiri

[NYSEF816]

i have to agree. I (as im sure many others here) have read all the HALO books so far, and while I love the Na'vi with every fiber of my being and would root for them none-the-less, the Spartan (especially John) would win an a hand-to-hand combat fight. Spartans have roughly (though just a tad bit less) strength than an Elite, which is already about 4x as strong as a normal human, so Na'Vi and Spartan are evenly matched with strength. As for speed/endurance/training/pure skill, well again, the Spartan would win. To bring up a point thats already been made, Tsu'Tey was relatively easily beaten by Jake, so if a regular Na'Vi warrior was to fight a Spartan, the warrior would be solidly defeated within the first few seconds of the fight.

Again, I love the Na'Vi but they just can't stand up to Spartans when it comes to hand-to-hand combat, im sorry but it's the truth

well put - that was the one statistic that escaped me, the relative human strength.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Word, I love the Na'vi to especialy Neytiri

Everyone Loves Neytiri....(That was as obvious as what you said).....

['ew]

Even some of the women which kind of creeps me out.(NO OFFENCE)

[fortress8]

I would have to say hands down Spartan 2's. I've read most of the books. Another great battle to compare would be an elite vs. a na'vi. Also to bring up another point I'm surprised the RDA doesn't have super soldiers. With all the research the world is doing into now days I wouldn't be surprised if the capability to create one one earth in 2154 would doable. Not as good as Spartans but still up their in the superhuman range.

[Neytiri.]

Sparten.

I respect both. But a sparten would win everytime.

Spartens train for years in every type of combat. Na'vi train in hunting not hand to hand combat, Spartens also have Mjolner armor which is practically a second layer of skin, and this armor increases there reflex's immensly.

Spartens everytime

['ew]

I feel a Deadliest Warrior episode coming on.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Sparten.

I respect both. But a sparten would win everytime.

Spartens train for years in every type of combat. Na'vi train in hunting not hand to hand combat, Spartens also have Mjolner armor which is practically a second layer of skin, and this armor increases there reflex's immensly.

Spartens everytime

*tear*

[ProfoundHeart]

Sparten.

I respect both. But a sparten would win everytime.

Spartens train for years in every type of combat. Na'vi train in hunting not hand to hand combat, Spartens also have Mjolner armor which is practically a second layer of skin, and this armor increases there reflex's immensly.

Spartens everytime

I'm sensing a Halo fan? :P

Spartan*

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

I feel a Deadliest Warrior episode coming on.

ha ha ha! Have they made another season of that?

['ew]

Remember the spartans wouldn't fight for the RDA anyway.

[ProfoundHeart]

ha ha ha! Have they made another season of that?

Yes, actually they have.
Anything to try and squeeze some more money out of it i guess.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Yes, actually they have.
Anything to try and squeeze some more money out of it i guess.

ha ha! well those fights are rigged...:)

[Neytiri.]

Lol imagine if a sparten was actually in that show, they would rip everything to peice's It'd be epic

and yes im a huge halo fan :p

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Lol imagine if a sparten was actually in that show, they would rip everything to peice's It'd be epic

and yes im a huge halo fan :p

They did have a spartan in the show...he fought a Ninja I do believe..:p

['ew]

We mean a halo spartan.

I sawl that one spartan won.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

ha ha! :rotfl:

[ProfoundHeart]

Lol imagine if a sparten was actually in that show, they would rip everything to peice's It'd be epic

and yes im a huge halo fan :p

Haha me too. :)

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Haha me too. :)

ha ha....:nlol:

[NYSEF816]

Remember the spartans wouldn't fight for the RDA anyway.

actually, your right. even though they are super soldiers, the SPARTAN II's are incredibly smart people. they've seen enough combat (and have been taught enough about other subjects i.e.: philosophy, sociology etc) that they wouldn't take life unless they felt it was the right thing to do. they dont blindly follow orders, remember master chief even fought for the gravemind for a few scenes. they are created as super soldiers specifically because they can be delegated these decisions.

I really think they would defect and help the Na'vi if they were put in a situation where they had to defend the RDA.

that would be a SWEET campaign!

[Spartan Tickler]

In my opinion there is honestly no competition here, SPARTANs have been known to continue fighting intense battles for hours with broken bones and blood loss that would cripple any normal human in just minutes. Master Chief could break the Na'vi skull with one well placed punch.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

I already drew the Neytiri card Spartans lost...sorry....:)

[NYSEF816]

I already drew the Neytiri card Spartans lost...sorry....:)

I truly admire your confidence!!! :)

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

I truly admire your confidence!!! :)

ha ha me to! :nwink:

[Apollo]

If Jake had the tooth from Toruk, I'm sure it would penetrate that armor. The Na'vi have the means to kill him, so I say the Na'vi.

[UnNamed]

I'll go with Spartan cose he has his armor on.

[EarthLover18]

Well the AMP suit is similar to a Spartan's suit of armor. Jake and Neytiri kicked Quarich's AMP suit *** so I say Na'vi all the way.

[Dusso Janladde]

Well the AMP suit is similar to a Spartan's suit of armor. Jake and Neytiri kicked Quarich's AMP suit *** so I say Na'vi all the way.

We're talking about one Na'vi, not two Na'vi and a Thanator.

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Ok valiant effort for all you halo fans but the Neytiri card has been drawn and it's over Spartans lost....this thread is officially closed....:)

[AC130StandingBy]

Ok valiant effort for all you halo fans but the Neytiri card has been drawn and it's over Spartans lost....this thread is officially closed....:)

This.

[Malu tek tek]

Well what is the combat enviornment?

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Well what is the combat enviornment?

ha ha! :)

[Symplicity]

Any of you guys play Halo 3 on xbox live?

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

Any of you guys play Halo 3 on xbox live?

I don't....But my nephew does..

[ProfoundHeart]

Ok valiant effort for all you halo fans but the Neytiri card has been drawn and it's over Spartans lost....this thread is officially closed....:)

No no, this thread is definitely not closed. :)

[Palulukan_Taronyu]

the spartan will have the mental edge but the na'vi will have the drive

if i had to choose a warrior i would choose the spartan,if had to choose someone to fight for my life i would choose the na'vi

Interesting...

[Spartan117cjl]

I would **** some Na'vi **** up

[Forjen]

Dang, tough choice. I'd still have to stay loyal and go with MC though. Having read pretty much all of the Halo novels, hell, I know what MC is capable of doing. I think I read in one of the novels that Spartans can lift over 200% of their body weight, and with Cortana embedded that is increased further due to more effective neural transmission. There is A LOT of controversy regarding the spartan's height and weight though. Some say that he's almost 8 feet tall with the armor (as in the books), others say over 6'6. (most likely for the games, but the models in game is much smaller than they are supposed to be, as the Elites/Brutes are supposed to be 8 feet tall, and MC is about the same height as them.)

Anways, to get on with explaining my decision. Now, I now that Na'vi are much larger and probably stronger, but MC has a suit w/ a shield that is powerful enough to withstand a Plasma cannon (corrosive rounds, btw) blast head on, and only depleting the shield. The armor wouldn't be damaged too much, only overloading the heat decipitators (sp).
Also, MC is FAST. Now I know that Jake's larger body allows him to run and move incredibly fast, but MC's training allows him to run even faster than normal (as in faster than if you have a person who has the spartan upgrades but no training.) That, coupled with uber-enhanced reaction times, Masterchief is nearly invisible to human eyes. He has been known to beat up four ODST soldiers in a drill, neutralizing all of them under half a minute.This includes bending two of the guns he jacked from the ODSTs. Keep in mind that apart from other spartans, ODST are the best of the best of the UNSC marine corps. He is almost fast enough to dodge bullets.

Therefore, I still believe that MC would be triumphant, in fact, when MC is in his suit, the battle would probably be a one sided fight. (most info listed above is without the help of Cortana, only the dodging bullets part is with Cortana) Without his suit, though, I think it may be a different story. It may be slightly more in Jake's favor, but years of combat and brutal training did not go to waste on MC. Spartans can never be underestimated.
-Not to be a know it all, but I suggest that this discussion not be over until you read this post.

AND SO HERE IT IS PEOPLE! GO READ THE HALO NOVELS AND BE AMAZED BY MC'S AWESOMENESS!

[ateyo 'uniltiranyu]

AS much as I love Halo, the Neytiri card would end this battle. Just hope the UNSC doesn't bring the flood with them... then everything is over :/

[ProfoundHeart]

AS much as I love Halo, the Neytiri card would end this battle. Just hope the UNSC doesn't bring the flood with them... then everything is over :/

Even the flood can't withstand the purity of Pandora. :)
If the flood came to Pandora, Eywa would step in.

[Forjen]

heeey, anyone listening to meeee??? But I don't know...flood has no mind other than the desire to consume. There are probably more flood than there are all of covenant plus humans plus na'vi all put together, and with each foe they kill they gain one more ally....flood is kinda the Pwn factor

[ateyo 'uniltiranyu]

Even the flood can't withstand the purity of Pandora. :)
If the flood came to Pandora, Eywa would step in.

Hmm even the forerunners who were a class 3 civilization couldn't withstand the flood. I wonder if Eywa could find some way to infect it.


heeey, anyone listening to meeee??? But I don't know...flood has no mind other than the desire to consume. There are probably more flood than there are all of covenant plus humans plus na'vi all put together, and with each foe they kill they gain one more ally....flood is kinda the Pwn factor

I almost have to agree unless like I said above... Eywa would have to find some way to infect the flood. It's kinda cool because if that were the case it would be like a good Meta-organism against an Evil one.

[ikranflyer]

Tough question but I think im going to go with spartan.
Just because of the armor.

[Unobtainium]

Jake almost took down a 14ft AMP suit.
I'm pretty sure if he hadn't lost consciousness, he would have won.

Against this Spartan thing, I believe Jake would win. He's got the aerial advantage and he's much lighter.
TEAM JAKE!!

[Dusso Janladde]

Jake almost took down a 14ft AMP suit.
I'm pretty sure if he hadn't lost consciousness, he would have won.

Against this Spartan thing, I believe Jake would win. He's got the aerial advantage and he's much lighter.
TEAM JAKE!!

Jake didn't take down Quaritch's AMP suit by himself. Neytiri took out the GAU-90, which eliminated the AMP's main weapon AND gave Jake a weapon to use against it. He wouldn't have stood a chance otherwise, even if the link shack wasn't breached.

AMP suits do have one glaring weakness: the glass cockpit. Jake went straight for it and successfully got through it.

An armored Spartan is basically a smaller, more agile, and less vulnerable AMP suit.

[Forjen]

Jake almost took down a 14ft AMP suit.
I'm pretty sure if he hadn't lost consciousness, he would have won.

Against this Spartan thing, I believe Jake would win. He's got the aerial advantage and he's much lighter.
TEAM JAKE!!
OMFG you don't know what a spartan is? *faints*
K, so in brief: Spartans (specifically speaking, Spartan IIs) were super soldiers created in the Halo universe. They were subjects who were studied since they were toddlers to find the best possible human genetics, and were given INSANE training since they were six years old. They were technically kidnapped, but the kidnappers left clones in their place, which all died soon after. When they were approximately 12-14 years old, they were given further genetic augmentations that would make them grow unnaturally tall and strong, insanely durable, as their bones were the as dense as metal,and basically better in every imaginable way (including intelligence, they studied complex sciences when they were grade school age). and at the age of 14 they would have the body of an olympic champion. Master Chief, the Spartan we are discussing, killed 3 highly trained soldiers by accident in a hand to hand fight when he was just 14 years old. Years afterwards, the spartans are fitted with armor that was constantly being upgraded. What the armor (Mjolnir armor) does is that not only does it provide incredible protection, it improves the reaction time, movement speed, and strength of the wearers. The catch of this armor is that normal humans cannot withstand the force generated by the armor, so the armor would shatter their bones when in use by anyone other than a Spartan. Obviously every spartan has been through countless missions. Their legacy is built on doing the impossible. Again, back to MasterChief, is the natural leader of the spartans. He himself has arguably experienced more than any other spartan, having experienced each of the halo events, including surviving situations where he (and sometimes his team) is outgunned and out-manned 1000 to one. Techically speaking, in a hand to hand combat situation, MC is most likely going to win, but I guess since you havn't connected with him as I have, you're still going to support Jake, lol. So yea, there's about 20 pages of Spartan bio compressed. If you want to hear a bit more about MC, go back a couple pages and find my other post, it has some more examples.

[FrankDaTank14]

I must say even though I am on a Avatar forum, my first love of a universe is the Halo universe. I have read every book and even gone beyond that into researching more about the Halo universe. I think I could consider myself an expert on both the Halo and Avatar universe.

With that said, anyone who has read the first Halo book (The Fall of Reach) should clearly see that a Spartan II would be able to defeat a Na'vi, if not multiple at the same time. Spartans are masters of hand to hand combat and practitioners of many Martial Arts. Judging from how easy it was for Jake to disarm Tsu'Tey, I cannot see any Spartan II having a problem with a Na'vi. Plus the Spartans have unreal reflexes and insane amounts of strength.


However.....I mean I don't think it is possible for anything in the universe to beat the Neytiri card. At least not on this forum. :nlol:

[ProfoundHeart]

I must say even though I am on a Avatar forum, my first love of a universe is the Halo universe. I have read every book and even gone beyond that into researching more about the Halo universe. I think I could consider myself an expert on both the Halo and Avatar universe.

With that said, anyone who has read the first Halo book (The Fall of Reach) should clearly see that a Spartan II would be able to defeat a Na'vi, if not multiple at the same time. Spartans are masters of hand to hand combat and practitioners of many Martial Arts. Judging from how easy it was for Jake to disarm Tsu'Tey, I cannot see any Spartan II having a problem with a Na'vi. Plus the Spartans have unreal reflexes and insane amounts of strength.


However.....I mean I don't think it is possible for anything in the universe to beat the Neytiri card. At least not on this forum. :nlol:

Halo was my first Sci-Fi obsession too.
But AVATAR surpasses anything I've ever experienced.

And good point.

[FrankDaTank14]

Halo was my first Sci-Fi obsession too.
But AVATAR surpasses anything I've ever experienced.

Yes we are very much alike. Right now I have them even in my book. I love Avatar but I just cannot forget my old obsession.

[SoggPowder]

Dang, tough choice. I'd still have to stay loyal and go with MC though. Having read pretty much all of the Halo novels, hell, I know what MC is capable of doing. I think I read in one of the novels that Spartans can lift over 200% of their body weight, and with Cortana embedded that is increased further due to more effective neural transmission. There is A LOT of controversy regarding the spartan's height and weight though. Some say that he's almost 8 feet tall with the armor (as in the books), others say over 6'6. (most likely for the games, but the models in game is much smaller than they are supposed to be, as the Elites/Brutes are supposed to be 8 feet tall, and MC is about the same height as them.)

Anways, to get on with explaining my decision. Now, I now that Na'vi are much larger and probably stronger, but MC has a suit w/ a shield that is powerful enough to withstand a Plasma cannon (corrosive rounds, btw) blast head on, and only depleting the shield. The armor wouldn't be damaged too much, only overloading the heat decipitators (sp).
Also, MC is FAST. Now I know that Jake's larger body allows him to run and move incredibly fast, but MC's training allows him to run even faster than normal (as in faster than if you have a person who has the spartan upgrades but no training.) That, coupled with uber-enhanced reaction times, Masterchief is nearly invisible to human eyes. He has been known to beat up four ODST soldiers in a drill, neutralizing all of them under half a minute.This includes bending two of the guns he jacked from the ODSTs. Keep in mind that apart from other spartans, ODST are the best of the best of the UNSC marine corps. He is almost fast enough to dodge bullets.

Therefore, I still believe that MC would be triumphant, in fact, when MC is in his suit, the battle would probably be a one sided fight. (most info listed above is without the help of Cortana, only the dodging bullets part is with Cortana) Without his suit, though, I think it may be a different story. It may be slightly more in Jake's favor, but years of combat and brutal training did not go to waste on MC. Spartans can never be underestimated.
-Not to be a know it all, but I suggest that this discussion not be over until you read this post.

AND SO HERE IT IS PEOPLE! GO READ THE HALO NOVELS AND BE AMAZED BY MC'S AWESOMENESS!

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Personally i think that just a standard foot soldier would win. They are use to fighting the Covenant. That's Elites, jackals, brutes, grunts, hunters and a few more. Sure Elites are 4 times stronger than humans but what are brutes and hunters?

The Na'Vi are use to fighting other tree people.

I am sorry, but MC would tear up the best Na'Vi fighter on all of Pandora.

Hey Forjen LOOK! We are on the same side for once lol!

I think that there is only one thing that MC fears and that is a Space Marine.

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[Forjen]

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Personally i think that just a standard foot soldier would win. They are use to fighting the Covenant. That's Elites, jackals, brutes, grunts, hunters and a few more. Sure Elites are 4 times stronger than humans but what are brutes and hunters?

The Na'Vi are use to fighting other tree people.

I am sorry, but MC would tear up the best Na'Vi fighter on all of Pandora.

Hey Forjen LOOK! We are on the same side for once lol!

I think that there is only one thing that MC fears and that is a Space Marine.

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Tsk. What has the world come to. :cool: Yea, but what if the Space marines made their equivalents of spartans?

[Dusso Janladde]

Tsk. What has the world come to. :cool: Yea, but what if the Space marines made their equivalents of spartans?

The Space Marines ARE the Warhammer 40k equivalent of Spartans. The regular soldiers in Halo? They're the Imperial Guard.

[Forjen]

The Space Marines ARE the Warhammer 40k equivalent of Spartans. The regular soldiers in Halo? They're the Imperial Guard.
I mean the space marine's equivalent of spartans. As in, if it was in the halo universe, the spartans of the spartans.

[SoggPowder]

I mean the space marine's equivalent of spartans. As in, if it was in the halo universe, the spartans of the spartans.

There is about a 2000 year difference between them.

[Gunny]

All the Na'vi would have to do to defeat someone is flash Neytiri's smile at them and they would all melt instantly!

[SoggPowder]

All the Na'vi would have to do to defeat someone is flash Neytiri's smile at them and they would all melt instantly!

Well we seem to be in a predicament here. You see, all the humans need is Master Chief to show up and they automatically win.

lol

[Gunny]

:rotfl: hahahahahaha! Touche sir!

[Forjen]

Well we seem to be in a predicament here. You see, all the humans need is Master Chief to show up and they automatically win.

lol
This. 'nuff said. Lol kidding Idk, the Neytiri card is pretty hard to beat. But MC is nothing but "hard".

[Rainbow Thunder]

r u joking me a spartan could beat a navi ez even out of armor i mean they were trained since being a child and human in avatar beat up navi and they wer regular people and spartans r juggernauts

[Arbiter]

A Na'vi vs a SPARTAn would be an interesting fight. But Imo The SPARTAN wins because of the armour , without the armour it would be close , around even strength . The Na'vi would have more reach but the SPARTAN would be a smaller
target and better trained. But a Na'vi vs a armoured SPARTAN would be a over kill in the armour a SPARTAN can run over 50 mph now somehing tackling you at 50 mph whilst weighing half a ton would hurt , badly. Also the Na'vi's arrows would proberly not penatrate the armour as it is fully bullet proof even WITHOUT the energy sheilding. A fight between a armoured SPARTAN and a Na'vi would be like a tall person fighting someone , twice a fast twice as strong and really heavy in a bullet proof set of armour . I loved Avatar but i also love Halo (obviously) .

[CiaphasCain]

You do realize that the MC is overpowered enough without his armor, right? Even without armor, he is a bred killing machine. Nanite injections standard, superhuman reaction times - it wouldn't matter if the Na'vi were bigger if they couldn't even hit the man. Master Chief and the SPARTANs would tear the Na'vi apart.

[Tak'Tukàl]

Really tough one man.

Like some of the earlier posts pointed out, MC has armor + years of training and advanced tactics.

But, on the other hand, the Na'vi also have a whole life of training. In Jake's case, he also has Terran (human) military knowledge, so that can cancel out a lot of things. Not to mention an avatar/Na'vi is about 3 meters (12 ft) tall. Add to this the agility, which the MC also has, but much of that is canceled out by his heavy armor.

Also, Jake can jump, climb, and swing, while the MC would have a much harder time doing w/out the proper equipment.

Then there is a matter of terrain. If it is an open field, MC probably has the advantage, as most of Jake's advantages will be the chance to get above MC. If it is in a forest, a building, or a canyon, Jake has the upper hand. Being so much stronger than a human, he could probably pick up a one ton Spartan (with some work) and drop him from somewhere high.

I say Jake (Avatar), though it would be incredibly close, since both have amazing tenacity.

Btw, you should make this into a poll.

[Nieh_Teveie]

Can I just add that Spartan John 117 (The Master Chief) is 6'10" almost 7' (which is the average for spartans).

And his armour weighs about half a square ton, not the full ton it said in the OP.

Speed, I'd say they were pretty even, Master Chief's augmentations and suit's abilities on par with Jake's Avatar's muscle tone and long legs.

Intelligence and cunning, Master Chief takes this one, Jake might be a marine, but he hasn't served for over 50 years nor has his thought processes been augmented.

Mobility, this is a tough one, in the air, where Master Chief is out of his comfort zone, Jake on Toruk or Ikran would easily take this, In forest areas I'd say Jake too (as he can leap into a tree at any time. On open ground however, Master Chief would win every time.

Firepower and weaponry, Do I need to go through this? No amount of bows and arrows or spears could pierce Master Chief titanium alloy armour. And any gun ready for Master Chief could gun down Jake, should I tell you how accurate he is?

Badassery and epic feats, Jake's shining moment was when he leapt off of Toruk onto the shuttle and threw grenades into the engines, after that he gets himself captured or in mortal peril too many times to count, luckily his wife-to-be is always on hand to save his scrawny little blue butt, but since she's not included in this sorry Jake.

Master Chief, surviving a free fall from orbit, landing on a hostile-filled unknown ring-world against enemies numbering in the thousands-all of which are ruthlessly set against the human race, with only him and a couple marines who can't shoot for **** and an AI that only says the most obvious, making it off allive and blowing the **** out of the ring-world not to mention the flood (A race of super fast zombies capable of holding guns (including shotguns, rocket launchers). Need I continue this list?

Conclusion:

Sorry guys, but as much as I like both of these characters, there is not a single doubt in my mind, if they came to fighting, Master Chief would win, he'd draw Jake out of the trees and pick him off, or go into the trees and shoot the bugger.

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I wish I knew what happened to my old account :S

Anyway thanks for reading, please don't flame me, I am a huge Avatar fan/