Jake introduced malice to the Na'vi

[Lukas]

Jake and the Skypeople. Its like the bite of the apple on the Garden of Eden. Now the Na'vi are conscious that they are naked. He had tsahaylu with Neytiri and she knows that she's naked too, i think she's gonna put some dress on. Either that or Jake will make her dress more. Before the skypeople, the Na'vi were like animals in a sense, they don't know that they are naked, they only reproduce when the time comes, like there is a time when female animals are in heat. This is what happened in indigenous tribes i know, they now wear t-shirts and only use the traditional clothing for tourists or ceremonies. They became lazy, don't want to hunt anymore and they make money the easy way by posing for pictures with tourists and as tour guides. This makes an interesting plot for the sequel, Jake and the skypeople's influence on the Na'vi.

[Kestor]

I don't agree with the Garden of Eden comparison. The Na'vi *are* sentient already. The reason they aren't idiots is because of their own choice to live by Eywa's will.

Unlike animals, the Na'vi could choose to destroy their planet like humans do to Earth. They are just smarter than most humans and realize that living in Nature is the best way.

[NachoDuck]

I think it was more about Jake accepting their traditions than them accepting his, really. I mean when he arrived at Hometree he was wearing a shirt etc but then switched to just the loincloth like everyone else. I guess they can learn some things from his past, but I think Jake was more interested in "becoming one of the people" than they were in learning about the sky peoples way of life, although they were interested in Jake because his claim that he was a warrior.

Considering where we left Jake at the end of Avatar and the position he is now in, I can't see him demanding the Omaticaya start throwing some cloths on to remind him more of his past life :P

[Pa'li Makto]

There was never any "apple" in Eden, only the fruit
Neytiri probably only wore that covering in the battle for protection and possibly intimidation, as well as the war paint.
I wouldn't compare Na'vi with indigenous humans because the Na'vi are the majority on Pandora, hence they feel no pressure to act any differently than they have thousands of years ago.

[Lukas]

Well, i respect your opinion, but i bet this will be the case. Jake will never forget his earthly ways. In the final battle, he chose to arm himself machine gun and grenades cuz he know its a lot better than bows and arrows. I believe he will continue to behave like this, which is believing that there is an better alternative to the traditional Na'vi way. Like i said, he had tsahaylu with Neytiri, and she will see things his way and why his way is the better one.

[Pa'li Makto]

Hmm maybe he used the gun and grenades not only for their efficiency but perhaps to give the Humans back their own medicine.
(karma ect)

[TorukStorm]

Well, i respect your opinion, but i bet this will be the case. Jake will never forget his earthly ways. In the final battle, he chose to arm himself machine gun and grenades cuz he know its a lot better than bows and arrows. I believe he will continue to behave like this, which is believing that there is an better alternative to the traditional Na'vi way. Like i said, he had tsahaylu with Neytiri, and she will see things his way and why his way is the better one.

With all due respect my friend. You are talking complete nonsense. Please come back when your brain is switched on.

[Kestor]

Like i said, he had tsahaylu with Neytiri, and she will see things his way and why his way is the better one.

Tsahaylu only connects nervous systems, not memories. Only Eywa was the one who read Grace's memories after she passed into her.

['ew]

I hered that avatar 2 would be a all out war in which case. The Na'vi might have to be be trained in war by Jake and another possible warrior avatar from the next ISV ship pass by possibly even more trained than Jake.

[Dusso Janladde]

Well, i respect your opinion, but i bet this will be the case. Jake will never forget his earthly ways. In the final battle, he chose to arm himself machine gun and grenades cuz he know its a lot better than bows and arrows. I believe he will continue to behave like this, which is believing that there is an better alternative to the traditional Na'vi way. Like i said, he had tsahaylu with Neytiri, and she will see things his way and why his way is the better one.

This was war, in a war you use all the resources you have or you will probably lose. They had everything in Trudy's Samson and Site 26 to work with. The grenades were a necessity, the only possible way to bring down the Valkyrie and Dragon.

Neytiri and Tsu'tey both used the throat radios and didn't seem to have any issue with them, but they weren't trained to use a gun like Jake was. There probably weren't enough guns anyway. Aside from the ones on the Samson, only Jake and Norm had one, and they would be the obvious choices to use them.

The only thing that seemed out of place was when Jake had a gun instead of a bow when the defeated humans were being marched into the shuttle.

[Lukas]

Tsahaylu only connects nervous systems, not memories. Only Eywa was the one who read Grace's memories after she passed into her.
All right, if this is case, either Neytiri chooses to support him or not. I know you guys don't like the idea of a corrupted Na'vi but i think that's the way its going. The skypeople taught them how to lie among others things. Greed, lust, envy, betrayal etc., - these can't be far behind.

[Kestor]

Nah, the Na'vi as a whole are a very spiritual people. They don't do evil things because they know it's not wise to do them, not because they don't have the possibility to act in this way.

'course, there might be a few who think sawtutes are cool and would like to fly a gunship or something, but they are in a tiny minority. *Very* far from the race corruption you speak of.

[Lukas]

The Direhorse chief and the Chief of the Ikran clans would be unhappy about their Pyrrhic victory, a lot of them died and was injured. Now with Jake changing the traditions of Na'vi, their discomfort will turn to hostility towards the Omaticaya. With Jake's charisma he would add more clans in his favor. Plus the RDA coming back, and siding with the enemies for promises of owning the whole of Pandora, we got an all-out war.

['upxare]

I highly doubt that Na'vi will fight Na'vi in the next movie. They live in peace with each other and with their world. War comes only from outside (humans). Its more likely that the RDA will come back, probably their ship doesnt even leave Alpha Centauri due to technical issues and they are forced to return to Pandora. Let me hammer out a potential storyline for a sequel, will post it still today.. ;)

[Human No More]

Well, firstly, the Na'vi aren't naked.
Secondly, they kicked the humans off Pandora, seems to me like they won't be influenced by human culture, Jake and the others who stay have abandoned all that.

[Lukas]

Well, firstly, the Na'vi aren't naked.
Secondly, they kicked the humans off Pandora, seems to me like they won't be influenced by human culture, Jake and the others who stay have abandoned all that.
1. Ok they are not completely naked, what i mean by naked there is they wear only necklaces and "g-strings" like some other tribes on earth.
2. As said above, Jake still totes the machine gun while the Skypeople are marching towards the shuttle. At least two other avatars in the end are dressed in T-shirts and pants.

Do you guys think those other Avatars would want to be one of the people? I think what happened to Jake was something special. The avatar program was what, how many years already, and Dr. Augustine said it herself, there's something holding her back from giving all her heart to the people.

[EXO BIO]

I don't think the movie tried to show the Na'vi as tribal animals, but more as another form of civilisation (just more tuned-in with nature). So I don't think Jake will act as a 'missionary' of sorts, just business as usual. Although I can't imagine the Na'vi culture being totally unaffected by Jakes background, I just hope it's not cheesy.

[last shadow]

Actually before Jake even arrived on Pandora, the humans already attempted to impose their 'way of life' on the Navi, didnt selfridge say we tried to give them roads, education etc. They refused already, I doubt Jake will have any impact on them because he accommodated their way not the other way round

[jeffro_jones]

I think that Mo'at stated it best when she said that 'we shall see if your insanity can be cured'. I don't think that she was talking just about Jake, I think that she was talking about all humans.

As for the clothing, I think that it was mainly for a PG-13 rating (which is lame, but expected.)

I think that there is very little need for clothing on Pandora - we really never do see any weather at all (the water in the flowers may have been rain, or condensation I suppose.) We might be lead to believe that there is rain because it is a 'rainforest'-like environment, but I don't think that that need be the case since we are dealing with a totally different environment. So if they don't have changing or inclement weather and the temperature is relatively constant, then (as we see in the movie) they really only need clothing to suit what they are doing (chaps for riding a horse or ikran, visor for flying (although not sure if it does anything,) hair decorations, knife holder and other hunting accoutrements, etc. Everything else is dead weight.

[Lukas]

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There is definitely rain in one of the scenes there. When two cultures meet, both sides will be influenced, it is a natural effect. It cannot be just one way. Look around, it is happening here in our world, and so i am thinking, why can't it happen on Pandora?

[Human No More]

2. As said above, Jake still totes the machine gun while the Skypeople are marching towards the shuttle. At least two other avatars in the end are dressed in T-shirts and pants.

Do you guys think those other Avatars would want to be one of the people? I think what happened to Jake was something special. The avatar program was what, how many years already, and Dr. Augustine said it herself, there's something holding her back from giving all her heart to the people.
I think they would, now the RDA are gone.

[Seamus]

I think that Mo'at stated it best when she said that 'we shall see if your insanity can be cured'. I don't think that she was talking just about Jake, I think that she was talking about all humans.
Indeed. The insanity of western civilization is the idea that man is separate from nature. And that nature is not something alive and worthy of respect.
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So if they don't have changing or inclement weather and the temperature is relatively constant, then (as we see in the movie) they really only need clothing to suit what they are doing (chaps for riding a horse or ikran, visor for flying (although not sure if it does anything,) hair decorations, knife holder and other hunting accoutrements, etc. Everything else is dead weight.Less is more. Ask some of the diehard Amish. They don't use electricity. Not because it's "witchcraft", but as I heard it from one, "Because you miss so much when your life is moving so fast". It is so hard to get away from the consumerism and speed of today's world.

[Fko Lrrtok]

I think the main difference here, is that no matter how much influence the humans try to impose on the Na'vi, they themselves are influenced primarily by Eywa.
If anything, it will be jake who reverts to their way of thinking, unless of course he has to deal with humans again.
I might argue that jake could come up with an easier way to hunt or to gather and prepare food, or even to make some of the daily Na'vi chores easier from his knowledge of human mechanics, but this could only succeed if it falls in line with the natural path of Eywa. I think that the loss of life from the other clans would be accepted also because it was the will of Eywa. The only way the Na'Vi could lose their way, is if they have a distancing or a seperation from Eywa.

[Lukas]

The remains of neanderthal frozen in the Artic ice is discovered, and the iceman actually possesses a queue! Then scientists used the tissues to clone hundreds of them. They introduced them as guinea pigs in Pandora. They used to wear oxygen masks but in their 3rd generations, the babies started to adapt to the air. Whatever haha just thinking.

[Tu'te]

That's just too depressing for me to contemplate :(

[Na'viTirea]

i don't think the Na'vi care about being naked.. :P

[Seamus]

The remains of neanderthal frozen in the Artic ice is discovered, and the iceman actually possesses a queue! Then scientists used the tissues to clone hundreds of them. They introduced them as guinea pigs in Pandora. They used to wear oxygen masks but in their 3rd generations, the babies started to adapt to the air. Whatever haha just thinking.
Actually, Cro-Magnon man had a much bigger brain than we do. and was much smarter. that's a little-spoken fact, because there are great vested interests backing the idea that homo sapiens sapiens is the pinnacle of Earthbound evolution.

yes i know Neanderthals were not Cro-magnons but you hit so close to the mark I couldn't help myself.