RDA vs Communist

[Shilka ZSU-23-4]

is it going to involve RDAs enemies...like maby a comunist counterpart

[Malu tek tek]

NO plain and simple

[Shatnerpossum]

Now, I like communism as much as the next guy... unless the next guy is Lenin.

But we should keep communism separate from Avatar. Its a capitalist future, and that might be why its bad.

[TOFUburgers]

wait you know that communism is about 5 light-years from pandora right?

the commies dont have enough money to fly to pandora according to the pandora bible

only rda which is capitalism

[Human No More]

...what?

[Nektukan]

masks on

[neytirifanboy]

Communism doesn't exist any more in it's old sense.

Even China is not communist. Modern China has more in common with the fascist Italy of pre-WWII than with say the soviet Union.

And when I use the word "fascist", I mean it in its descriptive rather than its emotive (and derogatory) sense.

Even North Korea is no longer communist anymore. It is more like an automcratic monarchy.

It doesn't make sense to make communism the enemy, because it is not a perceived enemy of contemporary society as it was in the cold war. The real contemporary issues are uncontrolled exploitation of people and resources, religious fundamentalism and the debate about environmentalism. So the movie is more likely to address those issues than bring in comminism, which is something that is pre-90s.

[Lovecraft]

Communist Pandora. Bes tsart painting everything red and gold!

[neytirifanboy]

Communist Pandora. Bes tsart painting everything red and gold!

And getting the hammers and sicles out.

[Malu tek tek]

dont forget the tanks, tears gas, and other crowd suppresents...... o wait i gues RDA is comunist (attack on hometree)

[Shatnerpossum]

dont forget the tanks, tears gas, and other crowd suppresents...... o wait i gues RDA is comunist (attack on hometree)

Communism is a political and economic system, not a synonym for totalitarian violence.

[Malu tek tek]

i know that i have done extensive research on communism for school and that was a joke... a bad one but a joke......

[Shatnerpossum]

Some people really don't know what communism or socialism is, to them its the bogeyman or an insult.

[Ikran-Boy]

Hi.

What is it with Americans and "communism"..?

I call myself a communist. But, sad to say, to this day communism has never existed on earth, only in theory.

- Communism has no leader
- Communism needs no political party
- Communism knows no "master" or "slave"
- Communism means all people are socially equal to 100%
- Communism is the only form of true democracy

If humans were ever able to pull it off, it would be paradise - no crime, no suppression, no injustice.

However we, as a race, always strive for "more" (in a purely materialistic way) so it will never work.

And the so-called "communist" countries or parties were everything but. There the leaders (!) sold the communist idea to the people and used it to secure their own power by suppressing the people. So to speak, the people were communist, the leaders were capitalist-dictatorial or fascist (Germany's Nazis were socialist, too).

Best regards.....

Thanh

[Shatnerpossum]

Communism is the only form of true democracy

I actually take issue with that one. In my Political and Social Thought class we've had some good discussion about democracy. Democracy isn't everything we think is good and noble condensed into one presence. Democracy is the majority of people making decisions. That generally translates into tyranny of the majority.

[Malu tek tek]

Hi.

(Germany's Nazis were socialist, too).

Thanh

which is acualy quite ironic because hitler hated socialism.

[Shatnerpossum]

(Germany's Nazis were socialist, too).

Just noticed this. No, they were not. While communism doesn't actually exist, the interim step of socialism does. It entails sweeping societal change and economic restructuring.

Hitler's Germany was not into sweeping societal change, merely touching up the pre-existing society. Additionally, his economics revolved around huge companies like Krupp.

So WRONG.

[Ikran-Boy]

I actually take issue with that one. In my Political and Social Thought class we've had some good discussion about democracy. Democracy isn't everything we think is good and noble condensed into one presence. Democracy is the majority of people making decisions. That generally translates into tyranny of the majority.

Hi.

That is exactly the point..... the known "democracy" is exactly that, a tyranny of the majority from which the minority will suffer. However as in Communism there is no leadership, a decision will only be reached if 100% of the population is in favour. Hence - pure democracy, nobody is left behind.

Which is another reason why it will never work - as there is always one individual who votes against something, and be it purely to spoil the party (i know such individuals personally!)

Best regards....

Thanh

[NAvi_warrior64]

i think LIBERTY PRIME has something to say about communism
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2010/02/107.png
(btw, its a joke)

[Ikran-Boy]

Just noticed this. No, they were not. While communism doesn't actually exist, the interim step of socialism does. It entails sweeping societal change and economic restructuring.

Hitler's Germany was not into sweeping societal change, merely touching up the pre-existing society. Additionally, his economics revolved around huge companies like Krupp.

So WRONG.

Hi.

Please don't let my Vietnamese name fool you, i am born to German parents and grown up in Germany (now living in Thailand though since 9 years) and i know a thing or two about Germany's sad past...... and i do speak German :)

Of course the Nazis were about as "socialist" as North Korea is "communist", however going by their very name...... Nazi = Na(tionalso)zi(alist) - National Socialist.

And their party was the "Nationasozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (NSDAP) which means "National Socialist German Labourer's Party".

So yeah, by the NAME they were socialist but as we all know, their leader was one of the world's worst dictators..... something that is seen repeatedly, see North Korea which calls itself "communist" however they have a leader, too, and he, too, is a dictator. Cuba not much different - "communist" on paper but Fidel is (was) a dictator as well.

And even in the eastern part of my home country, where used to be a "second Germany" named the German Democratic Republic, their system was "socialist" on paper.... and their leader Erich Honecker was no better than a dictator either. I have seen the peaceful revolution in my country which brought the re-unification and with it the collapse of the entire eastern block and the end of the cold war..... but there is a downside to it, too, because ever since Capitalism took over in those regions general poverty and unemployment have risen... with the usual "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" problem in Capitalism.

Kind regards......

your Thanh

[Shatnerpossum]

Hi.

Please don't let my Vietnamese name fool you, i am born to German parents and grown up in Germany (now living in Thailand though since 9 years) and i know a thing or two about Germany's sad past...... and i do speak German :)

Of course the Nazis were about as "socialist" as North Korea is "communist", however going by their very name...... Nazi = Na(tionalso)zi(alist) - National Socialist.

And their party was the "Nationasozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (NSDAP) which means "National Socialist German Labourer's Party".

So yeah, by the NAME they were socialist but as we all know, their leader was one of the world's worst dictators..... something that is seen repeatedly, see North Korea which calls itself "communist" however they have a leader, too, and he, too, is a dictator. Cuba not much different - "communist" on paper but Fidel is (was) a dictator as well.

And even in the eastern part of my home country, where used to be a "second Germany" named the German Democratic Republic, their system was "socialist" on paper.... and their leader Erich Honecker was no better than a dictator either. I have seen the peaceful revolution in my country which brought the re-unification and with it the collapse of the entire eastern block and the end of the cold war..... but there is a downside to it, too, because ever since Capitalism took over in those regions general poverty and unemployment have risen... with the usual "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" problem in Capitalism.

Kind regards......

your Thanh


I'm very well versed in history, especially the second world war. I'm majoring in history actually. So please listen to me when I say Nazis were not socialists. You can call a cat a wombat if you want, but its still a cat. So your post changes nothing. Only children and fools don't know what "nazi" stands for.

North Korea isn't "Democratic" or a "Republic" yet it calls itself that. Names don't affect substance at all.

As to the DDR, I'd argue it was a prime example of the corruption inherent to socialization when moved away from democracy. Today's social democracies are improvements.

[Shatnerpossum]

Hi.

That is exactly the point..... the known "democracy" is exactly that, a tyranny of the majority from which the minority will suffer. However as in Communism there is no leadership, a decision will only be reached if 100% of the population is in favour. Hence - pure democracy, nobody is left behind.

Which is another reason why it will never work - as there is always one individual who votes against something, and be it purely to spoil the party (i know such individuals personally!)

Best regards....

Thanh

No, democracy means 51 people dictate to 49. Thats what it is at its very core. Pure democracy is nothing other than government by the majority.