Do the navi clans battle amongst each other?

[Noldorin]

I'm not sure they do cos that would be against Eywa's teachings: but if they don't then why do the Navi people try to become such good warriors. In fact, if they never fight each other they shouldn't even know the concept of war and be a peaceful race but as we see, they are kind of fierce and wild and being a good warrior is something to be appreciated in their society(the strongest warrior becomes the clan leader, right?) Plus what would that "Time of Great Sorrow" be other than a great war between the clans? So, what do you say?

[UnNamed]

No they don't i think their warrior abilities comes from their ancestors and in wars their abilities unleashed.

[NaviDomas]

No they don't i think their warrior abilities comes from their ancestors and in wars their abilities unleashed.

i was thinking the same

[Kestor]

I think they do fight amongst each other, but not as often as humans. Not by a long shot. They're pretty peaceful people. At least the clans we know of. There might be some violent ones out there. Who knows. Pandora's a vast place.

[Lilturk]

hey....yeh I don't think they would but then again isn't everyone part of Eywa anyway?

[last shadow]

Yeah that is what Im thinking, if the Toruk Makto is needed to unify the clans then they probably dont collaborate very often with each other but if wars are the 'time of the great sorrow' and there have only been 5 (6 including Jake) Toruk Matos since they started to record their history then that implies that they are very rare

Eywa does not have direct control over the Na'vi so there no reason for them not to get in wars although Eywa does choose and appoint Toruk Maktos to stop them?

[NYSEF816]

I would have to say there were inter-clan wars in the past. unless they were visited by aliens 5 times in the past, what other reason could there be for the necessity of a Toruk Makto? to unite the clans in a time of great sorrow?

[ReiAyanami]

^^ This must be the reason, what else

But if we make some comparisons with similar tribes on Earth, things change a bit:
1) On earth resources are far less abundant than on Pandora
2) There is no Eywa, nor any kind of biological-mental interconnection with the biosphere and thus the rest of the clans as on Pandora.

Those two alone can reduce the tensions between the clans a lot.

Of course there are other parameters we might take into account. For instance, there is the possibility of religious frictions, for which clan is favored by Eywa most, that might cause wars. I honestly don't know, we need more info

[Pandora_fan]

I do think that they fight one another but I agree that it is probably not as often as on earth. It would just make sense.

[tsteu tsamsiyu]

I read the activist survival guide atm. I love this book it is great for my Avatar Addiction and it says that the Na'vi clans HAVE battles among each other but it happens not very often. It happens just a very very few times.

[_dollface]

the clans did battle in their history. it was probably during times of great distress and need. Eywa probably would not have them fit too often, but maybe when balancing the population is needed or a new clan leader is needed, etc.

[Lilturk]

I'm not sure they do cos that would be against Eywa's teachings: but if they don't then why do the Navi people try to become such good warriors. In fact, if they never fight each other they shouldn't even know the concept of war and be a peaceful race but as we see, they are kind of fierce and wild and being a good warrior is something to be appreciated in their society(the strongest warrior becomes the clan leader, right?) Plus what would that "Time of Great Sorrow" be other than a great war between the clans? So, what do you say?

yo dude nasil sin? im a turk as well lool

[Human No More]

It is mentioned that they have in the past, but I don't think they have for a while before the events of Avatar.

[Fko Lrrtok]

I agree with the general consensus as well, but I wonder what is it that started these conflicts, perhaps individual or clan ego allowed to get out of control, with extended detachment from Eywa.

It would seem strange that Eywa would help appoint a Torak Makto against her own.
Perhaps as Reiayanami suggests that there could have been some sort of religious tension. It would seem this could only happen if there was some disconnection from Eywa, or they united as Nysef816 states, as one against other alien peoples.

I hope future Avatar sequels elaborate further on this, as the Toruk Makto is the highest of exalted positions, to be truly recognised by Eywa. It seems even to live in the time of a Toruk Makto would be very fortunate for a Na'vi.

[Spartan117cjl]

Even if they haven't fought for centuries, I'm sure that Pandora itself keeps them keen for combat. All those Thanators and Toruks running amok, oh my. The fact that they call their of age men and women 'hunters' and not something else that would refer to conflict against other Na'vi (Like say, Warrior) seems to lead to this conclusion.

As for clan conflict, it'd be very interesting to see the origins of that. I don't think the Na'vi are perfect, all moral beings and even if they were there could still be political structures within the clans that is less than desirable.

It'd also be interesting to see Na'vi tactics and what not.

[HufweMakto]

In the Survival Guide, it's mentioned that they do have interclan battles between each other, though as of now, this is becoming a thing of the past. A good indication of wars between Na'vi clans would be the fact that they have words for "war", "warrior", and "war party", and they have sheilds, which are more useful for hand to hand combat than in hunting.

[Atokirina']

Well, the Na'vi, sometimes, do fighting challenges among the people.
In the original script Tsu'Tey challenges Jake, I think that might be a reason to learn to fight, also for hunting for food.

[Fko Lrrtok]

I wonder if as the Na'vi evolved throughout time that their connection with Eywa magnified as well.
Sort off like Eywa becoming more actively involved through-out the ages and thus a greater understanding then creates less misinterpretation and misunderstanting between the clans.
Just a thought.

[rapunzel77]

In the Survival Guide, it's mentioned that they do have interclan battles between each other, though as of now, this is becoming a thing of the past. A good indication of wars between Na'vi clans would be the fact that they have words for "war", "warrior", and "war party", and they have sheilds, which are more useful for hand to hand combat than in hunting.

That would make sense. The Na'vi have a greater enemy to contend with so they would try to be more united. The other tribes saw what the RDA could do to them if they ended up in their backyards. It seems from the history that Neytiri gave that they did have inter-clan conflicts. Hopefully they don't flare up again for a while. Who knows.

[Fridge Magnet]

I read the activist survival guide atm. I love this book it is great for my Avatar Addiction and it says that the Na'vi clans HAVE battles among each other but it happens not very often. It happens just a very very few times.

Yeah ive got that book I read that part also, they do have wars the clans fighting each other.

[Olo'eyctan]

Well, the Na'vi, sometimes, do fighting challenges among the people.
In the original script Tsu'Tey challenges Jake, I think that might be a reason to learn to fight, also for hunting for food.

Those fighting challenges are mostly for resolving disputes between individuals (probably mostly within one clan). Warfare between clans occurs but is for the most part uncommon, as natural resources are abundant on Pandora; there isn't much to fight over.

[Malu tek tek]

when the great mother provides for her children few fights ever emerge

[Arthur]

> Well. I don't know about canon sources, but as read on 27 Avatar Questions, Answered By The Movie's Designers - Avatar - io9 (http://io9.com/5464478/27-avatar-questions-answered-by-the-movies-designers),



The Na'Vi are warriors and stuff. So do the different Na'Vi tribes go to war against each other pretty often?

Greer considered this question in depth, in the process of creating Na'Vi warpaint and war gear. He decided that the Na'Vi don't have wars any more. But they "do put a lot of effort into numerous annual gatherings where they "compete" for their specific tribe's honor and pride in various skills based competitions. I saw these kind of gatherings as the pivotal interaction, on a worldwide basis, between the various tribes." And they are pretty good at killing each other, when the need arises. (But this was something Greer developed internally at Weta, so it's not gospel.)

[The Hope]

The survival guide mentions that they do in fact fight each other from time to time.

[Chococat]

> Well. I don't know about canon sources, but as read on 27 Avatar Questions, Answered By The Movie's Designers - Avatar - io9 (http://io9.com/5464478/27-avatar-questions-answered-by-the-movies-designers),

That's what I've thought as well. There might just be ceremonial gatherings where you would have matches to prove your worth and find out who is the best archer, rider, singer, weaver, potter, etc.

[HufweMakto]

That's what I've thought as well. There might just be ceremonial gatherings where you would have matches to prove your worth and find out who is the best archer, rider, singer, weaver, potter, etc.

I wonder if that's how Tsu'Tey was choosen.

[tsteu taronyu]

That's what I've thought as well. There might just be ceremonial gatherings where you would have matches to prove your worth and find out who is the best archer, rider, singer, weaver, potter, etc.

Sounds sort of like the Na'vi olympics to me, except with singing and weaving, and stuff like that.

[neytirifanboy]

In the Survival Guide, it's mentioned that they do have interclan battles between each other, though as of now, this is becoming a thing of the past. A good indication of wars between Na'vi clans would be the fact that they have words for "war", "warrior", and "war party", and they have sheilds, which are more useful for hand to hand combat than in hunting.

The book actually says "...as battles between Na'vi clans are mostly a thing of the past."

So this suggests that they used to fight and may still potentially.

However, we must remember that the survival guide is an RDA source. At best it is vague and at worst it is unreliable.

[Dreaming Of Pandora]

In defense of their home a Na'vi is said to fight aggressivly. I think we'll be seeing a civil war in the sequel.

[Anna]

In the Survival Guide, it's mentioned that they do have interclan battles between each other, though as of now, this is becoming a thing of the past. A good indication of wars between Na'vi clans would be the fact that they have words for "war", "warrior", and "war party", and they have sheilds, which are more useful for hand to hand combat than in hunting.

I don't understand that. I mean they can barely kill a freaking ugly bambi-looking creature for food without feeling all sad. And yet they actually can manage to fight and kill eachother? And what would be the point of that anyway? I mean there suppost to be a peaceful, non greedy, holy-type race, no? So what would motivate them to fight one another?

Seems alittle contridicting to me but whatever.


In defense of their home a Na'vi is said to fight aggressivly. I think we'll be seeing a civil war in the sequel.

I definatly hope not =/

[Dreaming Of Pandora]

I don't understand that. I mean they can barely kill a freaking ugly bambi-looking creature for food without feeling all sad. And yet they actually can manage to fight and kill eachother? And what would be the point of that anyway? I mean there suppost to be a peaceful, non greedy, holy-type race, no? So what would motivate them to fight one another?

Seems alittle contridicting to me but whatever.



I definatly hope not =/

Well I definitely dont want humans back for sequel, Im sure of that.:)

[neytirifanboy]

I don't understand that. I mean they can barely kill a freaking ugly bambi-looking creature for food without feeling all sad. And yet they actually can manage to fight and kill eachother? And what would be the point of that anyway? I mean there suppost to be a peaceful, non greedy, holy-type race, no? So what would motivate them to fight one another?

I do sympathise what you say here. I would like to believe that the Na'vi don't fight each other at all now, because it seems they really don't have to.

HufeMakto was simply making a reference to the Survival Guide which suggests that Na'vi may have or do fight each other.

The fact they have shields suggests that at least used to fight other Na'vi or some sort of another humanoid hand-to-hand, because I think shield would not be effective against the large predators on Pandora.

The problem with the Guide is that it is a RDA source that is not completely reliable. Throughout the guide there are hand written notes that criticise what has been written in the guide, suggesting that some of the guide may be inaccurate or based purely on supposition.

The Guide also says that the Na'vi are are passionate in the defence of their homeland. However, it is possible that the guide was describing Na'vi reisitance to RDA incursions or even predators rather than from other Na'vi tribes.

Whataever the answer, the information is vague enough to allow for any possibility in any sequels, prequels or spin-offs that come along.

[Chococat]

Sounds sort of like the Na'vi olympics to me, except with singing and weaving, and stuff like that.

Hah! I never thought of it that way, that's funny.

Actually, I think the different nomadic tribes in Mongolia do have massive horse race at least once a year, where all the young riders test their skill, bare-back with no saddle or stirrups.

I'm all for any excuse to see more of the inner-workings of the Na'vi ways of life. :nsmile: