Eywa a sign of...?

[Theorist]

During the final moments of the movie, when the humans and their machines were destroyed by the fauna of Pandora, sent out by Eywa, what was the sign of this?

In my opinion, Jame Cameron was saying that "We are no different from any other living thing. We don't want to die, but we WILL die someday."

I think they way that the human machines were destroyed so easily by the hammerhead tithanotheres, and the ikran was meant to show that our machinery and technology and medicine do not make us special, different, or better in any way.

I think the existence of our species will b no different than any other. Wemay survive for a few million years, then die out or evolve into something new.

We are certainly not the most succesful species, that goes to an old old species that i believe lived in the late Permian (would have to check me on this) period, and account for 90% of all biomass. As well, there is no reason we cannot be wiped out suddenly and unexpactedly. 251 mya (millions of years ago), 95% of all life was killed, 83% of all species were lost.

idk about you, but i dont like the odds of dying 19/20 tmes.



just some thoughts on humanity...

[fkeua vrrtep]

James Cameron wanted to say that nature is always the bigger power , no matter how hard you challenge her , the tables will always turn for her .

[dave.c]

aye, look at Haiti. there is absoloutly nothing anyone could of done to prevent that, or stop it from happening again in the future. Just been watching a program about the earth on bbc2, and apparantley Istanbul could very well be destroyed in the next 40-50 years by an earthquake. what can we do about it? bugger all. and even if we could, i dont think we should. as people have said, it's part of natural balance.

just my two pennies worth :)

[Elequin]

I think it was also in part to show that nature can take care of itself in a way. Or perhaps it was just to show Jake was not the all-might hero that saved everyone, but nature itself.

[WeAre1]

and we cant overlook the simple reality that "SHE HEARD YOU". which was the most triumphant part of the movie.

we are hoping and praying for nature to help us get back in balance with her. every prayer is heard. and she is making it happen. she may have to whipe out some places to do it. but she is restoring balance.

the more people we can get on the side of seeking to unite with nature the less violent and agressive she needs to become to get her job done. she can flick off the bugs that are itching her with one flick. the lucky ones who are seeking her, who still remember they are her children. they are the children of the earth.

[Theorist]

do you guys think, that if Pandora is truly where we want to go and live most, that if we want it bad enough, and it is truly, truly where we want to go, that we will get there, whether it be in life, or after death?

I do.

[fkeua vrrtep]

do you guys think, that if Pandora is truly where we want to go and live most, that if we want it bad enough, and it is truly, truly where we want to go, that we will get there, whether it be in life, or after death?

I do.

I hope so too .

[WeAre1]

the death realm has one instant rule, whatever you attach to as reality will occur. this rule also applies to here but it is a school and the manifestation is much much slower. thank god, we are learning how to train our minds to percieve and use our intent to create reality. the unity and vision of pandora is already hear. there are many groups who unite hand in hand and call to the great spirit and do miraculous healing, you just dont see it on the news. because it is numb. we here get a chance, because we have been shaken from the numbness, to learn how to co-create as nature.

[Theorist]

the death realm has one instant rule, whatever you attach to as reality will occur. this rule also applies to here but it is a school and the manifestation is much much slower. thank god, we are learning how to train our minds to percieve and use our intent to create reality. the unity and vision of pandora is already hear. there are many groups who unite hand in hand and call to the great spirit and do miraculous healing, you just dont see it on the news. because it is numb. we here get a chance, because we have been shaken from the numbness, to learn how to co-create as nature.


This is actually a good transition to another thought i have been having.

What makes something real? How can something confine to the standards of "to be in existence"?

Must it be tangible, feelable? Must it be seeable, must it reflect light? Must it give off scent, producing chemicals which can stimulate an olfactory response? Must it be tasteable? Must it be able to make Sound, producing vibrations?

My initial thoughts were it must be able to be detced in all 5 senses (scentless counting as a scent) But, then i realized humans only detect 5 of the observations know to exist, and there are several we cannot observe.

Then i thought, for something to be real, must we be able to sentient feelings towards it. then i realized this can't be right, because it is too decisive.

Then i concluded that it must be tangible, as that is the most defining thing of when you are in existence with another thing. When you can physically feel it. Well, surprise surprise, I was wrong again...

I forgot that life (on Earth) started from prokaryotes. They did not have neurons. They did not feel, emote, see, smell, taste, or hear anything. They just reproduced on their own.

So, i ended up stuck at what something had to do to be alive, but still can't come up with any good (maybe not perfect, but good) rule to use for something that is real, and exists physically, in reality.

Now, just in writing this post, I realize we don't even have a way to define reality. For our thoughts are real, and that is the only gurantee. I can't seem to get past that.


Sorry is this is random ranting and thoughts a lot of people dont give a S:party::party::party: about.

[Vrrtep Tsronyu]

Fear would have also been a big factor in the battle. It would have been extremely scary to see about 20 Titanotheres charging full speed toward you.
The same effect for those in the air when they see the skies darken because of the enormous flock of Ikran.

[TORUK-MAKTO]

I think it was also in part to show that nature can take care of itself in a way. Or perhaps it was just to show Jake was not the all-might hero that saved everyone, but nature itself.

Nature will always find a way. The planet has been subject to many rough times before. There has been global warming on a scale much higher than what is happening now. Also times when earth was a snowball. And impacts and extinction level events. Earth will survive and prosper no matter what because life and nature will always find a way. So the question isn't "Will the planet survive?" but rather "Will the human race survive?":nsad:

[Tavdy]

I think it was also in part to show that nature can take care of itself in a way. Or perhaps it was just to show Jake was not the all-might hero that saved everyone, but nature itself.

Or perhaps it was to show that we're our efforts are far more successful when we work with nature than against it. Terra preta, some of the richest soil on the planet, is more productive than ordinary soil with industrial fertiliser, and remains productive long-term whereas slash-and-burn methods currently used in many areas result in nutrients bean leaches from the soil. Yet terra preta isn't really all that complex: it's just ordinary soil with charcoal mixed in, which has the double bonuses of locking up CO2 from the atmosphere and being suitable for virtually any type of soil. The colonisation of Mars will probably rely pretty heavily on terra preta to make the soil there suitable for farming (once they've got the salt out). So working with nature is far more efficient than working against it.

Jake was acting in Eywa's interests; the RDA was working against Eywa's interests.

[Karyu]

Nature will always win in the end.

Whether it be an ice age (and the ensuing thaw-floods), meteor, volcanic catastrophe, or something else, nature excels at killing off species.

It's done it to thousands of species before man, and despite our "mightier-than-thou" attitude towards nature, we are little different. We will be a tougher kill than the others, but nature ALWAYS WINS. To assume otherwise is foolish.

[Prometheus]

We are certainly not the most succesful species, that goes to an old old species that i believe lived in the late Permian (would have to check me on this) period, and account for 90% of all biomass. As well, there is no reason we cannot be wiped out suddenly and unexpactedly. 251 mya (millions of years ago), 95% of all life was killed, 83% of all species were lost.

Yep...Lystrosaurus, a medium sized (about 150-300kg) synapsid mammal-like reptile. In the aftermath of the Permian Extinction it made up something like 85-90% of the terrestrial animal biomass for a few million years. Then it crashed into extinction itself. There were probably several causes for the mass extinction...asteroid impacts, sudden global warming, toxic environments etc etc. In any case, it was fairly rapid and happened in several stages.

[Prometheus]

Eywa is a part of the Great Thought (The One, The Source, God, whatever you want to call it), both in its physical and spiritual manifestations. The physical presence of Eywa in this "reality" is its way of interacting with all the other lifeforms and their physicalities. The spiritual manifestation, the consciousness/soul of Eywa is its true essence. That is the part which is essentially immortal and inviolate when compared to the physical. It's a part of the Great Thought, one of its manifestations of consciousness...just the same as all souls are...separate and unique, yet one with all.

[HufweMakto]

In James Cameron's films, it is the abuse and overdependance on technology which ultimately becomes the downfall, it is almost always nature that fights back and ultimately wins. This theme is apparent in both Titanic and The Terminator films, though with the later, it's more of the good qualities of humanity that ultimately win and save the world, be it through Sarah Conner protecting the future by destroying the Terminator and saving her son; or when the T-800 finally sees to destroy himself after learning and becoming a bit more Human from John Conner.

Aliens also shows off this, but it also comes hand in hand with another one of James Cameron's themes in that technology used in the right way can help out. In

[Afkeu]

This is actually a good transition to another thought i have been having.

What makes something real? How can something confine to the standards of "to be in existence"?

Must it be tangible, feelable? Must it be seeable, must it reflect light? Must it give off scent, producing chemicals which can stimulate an olfactory response? Must it be tasteable? Must it be able to make Sound, producing vibrations?

My initial thoughts were it must be able to be detced in all 5 senses (scentless counting as a scent) But, then i realized humans only detect 5 of the observations know to exist, and there are several we cannot observe.

Then i thought, for something to be real, must we be able to sentient feelings towards it. then i realized this can't be right, because it is too decisive.

Then i concluded that it must be tangible, as that is the most defining thing of when you are in existence with another thing. When you can physically feel it. Well, surprise surprise, I was wrong again...

I forgot that life (on Earth) started from prokaryotes. They did not have neurons. They did not feel, emote, see, smell, taste, or hear anything. They just reproduced on their own.

So, i ended up stuck at what something had to do to be alive, but still can't come up with any good (maybe not perfect, but good) rule to use for something that is real, and exists physically, in reality.

Now, just in writing this post, I realize we don't even have a way to define reality. For our thoughts are real, and that is the only gurantee. I can't seem to get past that.


Sorry is this is random ranting and thoughts a lot of people dont give a S:party::party::party: about.
I care. You make a very good point, what is "reality"? I believe that reality is simply what we perceive it to be; and everyone perceives it slightly differently. It's kind of like Einstien's theory of relativity, except applied to everything. That is, everything is observed relative to the observer (the person doing the observing). I can't think of a better explanation, but one thing we must remember is that our ability to observe only extends as far as our 5 senses (as far as we know). We might be able to observe thing indirectly by creating machines that translate things unobservable by humans into something we can observe. eg. a IR telescope taking a picture of a distant galaxy; we can't see in IR, but we have created a machine that can translate that into light in the so called "visible" spectrum.

[PandorahereIcome]

Earth can still take care of us whenever it feels like it. I just hope we don't beat Earth in destroying ourselves.

[Prometheus]

I care. You make a very good point, what is "reality"? I believe that reality is simply what we perceive it to be; and everyone perceives it slightly differently. It's kind of like Einstien's theory of relativity, except applied to everything. That is, everything is observed relative to the observer (the person doing the observing). I can't think of a better explanation, but one thing we must remember is that our ability to observe only extends as far as our 5 senses (as far as we know). We might be able to observe thing indirectly by creating machines that translate things unobservable by humans into something we can observe. eg. a IR telescope taking a picture of a distant galaxy; we can't see in IR, but we have created a machine that can translate that into light in the so called "visible" spectrum.

I think you really mean Quantum Theory...it deals with the effects you mentioned, not so much Relativity (either SR or GR). The observer effect there deals with frames of reference w.r.t. events viewed at any particular viewers locations in spacetime rather than what the observer observes of the structure of spacetime itself.

[Theorist]

So, I think i may have come across something as far as the being real thought goes.

I was on a 10 mile run today, and was alone. When i run i one into deep thought, and thoughts seem to just flow in without much consciousness, as i look at my feet to make sure i don' t trip.

Well... as you could expect my thoughts turned to Avatar, and to this forum. I wanted to find a way to define something real.

Eventually it came to me. Dimensions there are the 3 we commonly see and know easily.

1st there is length, 2nd width, 3rd is height.
In the three dimensions, you could imagine the standard 6-faced cube you draw in geometry. 2 lower lines length, 2 upper lines for length, 2 left lines for width, 2 right lines for width, 2 left lines for height, 2 right lines for height.
12 lines total, 4 of each. (I used bottom top/left right, to give an idea, as they no truly bottom/top as I will attempt to explain)
If 2 of these types of lines come together, such as Length and Width, or Width and Height, a 2D plane is made, with only 4 lines, and of each type. This type of plane cannot exist, because if would be missing one of its key parts. It would be infinitely thin, and would break in infinitely many places, instantaneously if it were to come into our world.
Thus, the 3 types of lines create (for this example) a 6-faced cube, with volume inside. The lines do not overlap, but connect at the 8 points they meet, making the cube sealed. The amount of volume inside this cube would then be essentially infinite, except just not quite infinite.
(this is because, nothing in our existence could be infinite. As seen when you have 2 dimensions, an infinite paradox cannot exist)
However, this is where it gets complicated. We do not live in a 3-dimensional universe. We live in a 4-dimensional universe. The 4th dimension being time.
Now, this is the strange part. Unlike the other 3 dimensions, time does not go in a straight line. It may have a general direction away from the beginning of time (the time of our universe. going outside ours gets way more complicated), but time can fold/loop back on itself and cross-over itself at certain places.
Thus, time can be anywhere inside that 3D cube that there is length, width, and height, and Existence is anywhere inside that cube that has time, and has length, width, and height.

To try and use an example, i will use a black hole. In a black hole, things are crushed down to nothing, they are pulled in because they have mass. Thus, their length, width, and height is destroyed. But, light does not have mass, so how is it pulled in. Well, because there is no L,W, or H inside i black hole, there is no place for time, so light itself cannot even exist inside of one. (it is not to say, that some that goes inside a black hole is gone, it is just not longer existing, and may potentially exist later, when the black hole dies)



maybe this is a movie fansite, and I should be posting this somewhere else, but I have an Avatar addiction, and i wanted to share my thoughts. Below is a picture to somewhat help explain them.

[Theorist]

here it is

this period represents the start of time.
the vertical lines are height. (width is not represented, as idk how to put that in on here)
------- length
l -
l - -
.-
l -
l - -
------- length

as you can see, it is only "2D" in this drawing, but time is the non-striaght lines, which can exist anywhere inside the "3D-BOX", but have a general movement away from their start. they are just affected by masses in the box. The box itself in size, is effectively infinitely massive, in the directions it moves away from the start, but it is not truly infinitely because infinitely cannot exist. For if one thing were infinite, all other things in existence with that thing would have to be too. (may seem a little hard to understand this, but it is very hard for me to explain)










maybe again, im in the wrong place, and shouldnt be posting this, but damn has this movie made me think alot about what i've thought.

[Theorist]

kinda wondering what people thought of this whole "what is real" thing, could i make a new post to see what people think?