Lets talk about quaritch because we all know he is hundred times better then neytiri

[ColonelMilesQuaritch]

That bitch killed him, and broke his heart when he was only doing his job, i can see the hate mail flooding in but what's a board without debate right?

[soulofadra6on]

haha, well im loving thinking outside the box..but there is a debate section =)


he was a baddie who destroyed hometree!

[Gurnblansten]

but being on that planet and not having any action for like 3 years, you'd be very board and i can see him wanting a little action.

[Colonel]

That bitch killed him, he was only doing his job, i can see the hate mail flooding in but what's a board without debate right?

I want one of those AMP suits

[ColonelMilesQuaritch]

but being on that planet and not having any action for like 3 years, you'd be very board and i can see him wanting a little action.

Quaritch was in a love triangle with Neytiri and Jake, she broke his heart twice, no man deserves that, she is a mean piece of pandoran sugar cookie :)

[woohoo42]

I want one of those AMP suits

i want an ikran or taruk

[Jasminesd]

Do you think he was jealous of jake Sully for getting tale before he did...:rolleyes:

[Gurnblansten]

Quaritch was in a love triangle with Neytiri and Jake, she broke his heart twice, no man deserves that, she is a mean piece of pandoran sugar cookie :) what do you mean? she didnt break his heart?

[ColonelMilesQuaritch]

what do you mean? she didnt break his heart?

Broke his heart with two arrows :)

[Orcakat]

Don't we already have enough threads on Quaritch? :/

[Gurnblansten]

Broke his heart with two arrows :)ohhhhh ok, that makes sense. thought him and her were in some kind of secret relationship!

[neytirifanboy]

Yes, Quaritch is a hundred times better than Neytiri in the following points:
Arrogance
Killing innocent people
Drinking coffee
Driving Mecs
Spite
Dying

Did i miss anything?

[Vully5789]

Quaritch is a bad *** but he deserved what he got. I cheered.

[neytirifanboy]

Do you think he was jealous of jake Sully for getting tale before he did...:rolleyes:

Perhaps Quaritch was jealous of Neytiri. Perhaps he wanted Jake's tail.

[Gurnblansten]

ok, driving mecs isnt bad, its awesome (still like neytiri more though) and dying was neytiris fault! dont blame quartrich for that. adn drinking coffee.

[ColonelMilesQuaritch]

Yes, Quaritch is a hundred times better than Neytiri in the following points:
Arrogance
Killing innocent people
Drinking coffee
Driving Mecs
Spite
Dying

Did i miss anything?

One liners
Badassery
Innocence
Just doing his job
Love for all things

[Jacob]

Seriously, haven't you started enough Quaritch threads?

[soulofadra6on]

he's made like 2 lol

[ColonelMilesQuaritch]

he's made like 2 lol

Wheres the love for a character creation by JC ?

[soulofadra6on]

Wheres the love for a character creation by JC ?


i think it's still fresh in people's minds what you did to the na'vi!

[Jacob]

He's started more if memory serves me correctly. I liked the character but this is a bit OTT.

[woohoo42]

apparently neytiri is better cause my thread is beating yours:D

[Vully5789]

OP is just doing your job going into a mech suit with a knife trying to kill a Na'vi and a human even though its all pretty much over.

[Jay]

Broke his heart with two arrows :)

ha ha ha LOL!

[ColonelMilesQuaritch]

OP is just doing your job going into a mech suit with a knife trying to kill a Na'vi and a human even though its all pretty much over.

Eywa is feeding you lies, Quaritch rules supreme :)

[Jay]

Yes, Quaritch is a hundred times better than Neytiri in the following points:
Arrogance
Killing innocent people
Drinking coffee
Driving Mecs
Spite
Dying

Did i miss anything?

He throws a mean right hook.

[xcrunner08]

He throws a mean right hook.

I cringed for Jake when he took that punch. It looked like it hurt quite a bit.

[woohoo42]

I cringed for Jake when he took that punch. It looked like it hurt quite a bit.

he totally went limp

[soulofadra6on]

the thing i liked about him was the scare he got =) serves him right!

[Elequin]

what the hell... I thought you were going Na'vi and agreed Quaritch is a bad guy.

[ColonelMilesQuaritch]

apparently neytiri is better cause my thread is beating yours:D

Would you care to rephrase your last statement lol :)

[woohoo42]

what the hell... I thought you were going Na'vi and agreed Quaritch is a bad guy.

haha, he refilled his coffee cup

[neytirifanboy]

Quaritch is also a master at holding his breath. I don't remember Neytiri holding her breath once, oh except when she was snogging Jake.

[Skxwng]

Quaritch is also a master at holding his breath. I don't remember Neytiri holding her breath once, oh except when she was snogging Jake.

i dare Quaritch to jump from 200 ft trees

[ColonelMilesQuaritch]

i dare Quaritch to jump from 200 ft trees

He can in an AMP suit :)

[hello]

He can in an AMP suit :)

ive got to admit as much as i dont like the colonel when he got on his amp suit grabbed the gun and jumped out of the dragon right before it exploded was really bad ***

[Ethan]

pluss he was funny

[Gurnblansten]

"Everything that crawls, flys or squats inthe mud wants to kill you and eat your eyes for ju-jubbies." his best line.

[IloveNeytiri]

That bitch killed him, and broke his heart when he was only doing his job, i can see the hate mail flooding in but what's a board without debate right?

He never had a heart. :D

[steinmetz]

He never had a heart. :D

a heart in an little AMP suit maybe:p

[pandorawalker]

Thanator versus Quaritch in an AMP suit was a good fight :good:

[v-ness]

You miss one thing about Quaritch! He was strong and calm when he had AMP suits, guns and rockets against arrows and knifes of Na'vi. I want to see him without his technique against Na'vi. I think he and his army would be bitten as a boys. They shouldn't forget this.

[Eltu]

Broke his heart with two arrows :)

I laughed so hard at that one!

[Kenny]

This should be in the debate section XD

[Navi's saviour]

This should be in the debate section XD

After looking over the thread I will allow it.

[Woodsprite]

Ha, coming from the man who made the thread "Neytiri is devastatingly beautiful." Take that, Chip Hazard. ;)

[Einherjar]

Though Quaritch is a good solider he just had a little bad luck as he was busy with Jake when Neytiri shot the arrows at him.

A fight between the two my bet is still on Neytiri. Quaritch is a leader, not some immortal elite warrior - but almost.

[IloveNeytiri]

Quaritch just wasn't in his element - urban warfare.
For him the forests on Pandora made him and his troops on the forest floor sitting ducks and gave the Na'Vi the advantage of stealth - had they decided to utilise it.

[Ms. Muffet]

Why is this in the debate forum??? Quarich is a hundred times better than Neytiri! Is there a swoon thread for Miles? He is sooooooooo hot!

That bad*** attitude!
Those piercing grey eyes!
His silvery hair!
His eloquent diction!
His bad*** mannerisms!
Those manly scars!
His bulging muscles!
How he holds his breath!
That bad*** demeanor!
That coffee cup! Bad***!
How he handles his big Gun!
It takes two arrows to kill him! :( Bad***! :)

[navii]

I liked Quaritch even tho he did destroy hometree

[Death Korps of Kreig]

I like him because he destroyed the Hometree and he was bad *** while he did it

[uniltìrantokx]

Quaritch is so awesome, that they had to invent a new word- Quasome!

[Atokirina']

Yes, Quaritch is a hundred times better than Neytiri in the following points:
Arrogance
Killing innocent people
Drinking coffee
Driving Mecs
Spite
Dying

Did i miss anything?
Agreed.
Even though Quatrich was a BA and a great character and enemy, I prefer Neytiri.

[Samich]

posted this in another thread, don't wanna type that much and say pretty much the same things.

Why do folks hate Quaritch? He was a great character in the movie; one of my favorite. Honestly, that mindset was fairly spot on with regards to the similarities with some Marine Officers i have seen before. In fact, as cliche as he seemed, most older Military commanders talk like that, which was why i was one of only a few when the Colonel said various lines like "I wanna be home before dinner" or "that shows initiative son, i wish i had 10 more like you" hahah, funny but so true to the ethos. That actor did an outstanding job with his role, and so did many of the actors playing soldiers.

He is the picture-esc old-school soldier only thinking of the mission and not dwelling on silly things like 'morality' lol. Sadly, i get the feeling folks will have the wrong view about soldiers nowadays. We are taught to intelligently carry out the mission and critically think about our orders. We are taught to read between the lines and to act in accordance with virtue and temperance. We have every right to refuse an unlawful order. Quaritch shows many admirable qualities throughout the movie but also the perversion of said values. This is a result or (most likely) years of having the difficult and soul-wrenching task of sending soldiers to their deaths and killing his fellow man. War has a way of making us hard and he was as hard as they come. Rather than hated, Quaritch and men like him deserve admiration, respect, and our pity. We all have the potential to be great heroes, but also great villains with only minor tweaks to our values. It's a fine line, one that is easily crossed. Understanding of both sides of the coin will ensure that you don't cross the line in whatever endeavors you participate in throughout your life.

I loved the movie... maybe a bit too much lol, seen the movie six times and have gone through the euphoria and the depression everyone is talkin about too. It's a great reflection of our fundamental flaws and a small glimpse of what we could achieve when we overcome those imperfections and begin to understand one another. Understanding bridges boundaries and smashes barriers (i aint no hippy btw lol.), i believe this whole-heartedly and have since before this great movie came to be. I am a soldier and warrior and will continue to be one till i am old and Grey or dead (whichever comes first lol). You might think that a somewhat oxymoron given what i just said above but i assure you, it isn't. It gives me a bit of hope to see folks ponder about stuff like this. If you want change then change it, it's the reason im still in the Military. Maybe this post should be somewhere else, but whatever lol. Anyway thanks for listening...er.. reading...whatever *cough*

[sweden]

Why is this in the debate forum??? Quarich is a hundred times better than Neytiri! Is there a swoon thread for Miles? He is sooooooooo hot!

That bad*** attitude!
Those piercing grey eyes!
His silvery hair!
His eloquent diction!
His bad*** mannerisms!
Those manly scars!
His bulging muscles!
How he holds his breath!
That bad*** demeanor!
That coffee cup! Bad***!
How he handles his big Gun!
It takes two arrows to kill him! :( Bad***! :)

Agreed! Someone should definitely start a "Quaritch is hot" thread

[Shatnerpossum]

It takes two arrows to kill him! :( Bad***! :)

And even then he's happy about it!

http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2010/01/2097.jpg

If that were a smiley it would be :D

[Human No More]

OK CMQ, now I'm starting to think your fanboyism is getting out of hand... :nlol:

This is what I have to say about Quaritch:

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[Shatnerpossum]

Quaritch just wasn't in his element - urban warfare.
For him the forests on Pandora made him and his troops on the forest floor sitting ducks and gave the Na'Vi the advantage of stealth - had they decided to utilise it.

Actually the Na'vi were getting pwned by Quaritch until Eywa entered the battle. Quaritch was in his element, but outgunned. As an example of this, you might be good at swimming, but if they put a glass barrier over the pool you'll drown in your element.

[Scott]

That bitch killed him, and broke his heart when he was only doing his job, i can see the hate mail flooding in but what's a board without debate right?

Sorry dude, you might have been a good man once upon a time, but something snapped inside you. You became Captain Ahab, and I am glad you were stopped.

[Kestor]

Ha, coming from the man who made the thread "Neytiri is devastatingly beautiful." Take that, Chip Hazard. ;)

Even more proof the Colonel was mentally unstable, with a possible double personality disorder and had to be euthanized with neurotoxin arrows for the good of Pandora society.

[Rider of the Last Shadow]

One liners
Badassery
Innocence
Just doing his job
Love for all things

Love for all things... :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You're killing me, man!!!

[Anathema]

That bitch killed him, and broke his heart when he was only doing his job, i can see the hate mail flooding in but what's a board without debate right?

Lol you just GOT to post something like that xD

Sure, he was just doing his job, but that doesnt make the things he did better in any way. Quaritch is actually quite heartless, he s doing what has to be done, many ppl do that but it doesnt justify what they re doing.
(Extreme example: SS officers.)

[Shatnerpossum]

Lol you just GOT to post something like that xD

Sure, he was just doing his job, but that doesnt make the things he did better in any way. Quaritch is actually quite heartless, he s doing what has to be done, many ppl do that but it doesnt justify what they re doing.
(Extreme example: SS officers.)

Of course Quaritch is never on that level. He's just looking out for his own.

[Neytiri.]

He was evil (a badass but still evil).


She should have killed him, brought him back to life only to kill him again lol

[neytirifanboy]

He was evil (a badass but still evil).


She should have killed him, brought him back to life only to kill him again lol

That may yet happen.

[Anathema]

Of course Quaritch is never on that level. He's just looking out for his own.

Yes, i do know that. Thats why i wrote "extreme example" because of that doing-his-job-thing. But maybe it was too extreme anyway. Might be that you cant compare him with ppl like those. Probably shouldnt compare anyone with them :P

[Shatnerpossum]

Yes, i do know that. Thats why i wrote "extreme example" because of that doing-his-job-thing. But maybe it was too extreme anyway. Might be that you cant compare him with ppl like those. Probably shouldnt compare anyone with them :P

No, sometimes a comparison is good. And I follow what you were saying, but I wanted to chime in with my two cents.

Quaritch was sort of the leader in this anyway, so the orders argument doesn't work anyway.

[ToKatz]

I really wonder how good some here seem to know what SS Officers were like. Seen too many pictures maybe? Or believing in the crap "inglorious basterds" is telling?

I know a few old men who were SS Officers (the age of my grandfathers). They supported a vicious system, yes - but then they were young and they believed in that, as wrong as it was. And most of them were not killing civilians or KZ prisoners, most of them were just fighting along the "normal" army.

I find that comparison good enough.

[Shatnerpossum]

I really wonder how good some here seem to know what SS Officers were like. Seen too many pictures maybe? Or believing in the crap "inglorious basterds" is telling?

I know a few old men who were SS Officers (the age of my grandfathers). They supported a vicious system, yes - but then they were young and they believed in that, as wrong as it was. And most of them were not killing civilians or KZ prisoners, most of them were just fighting along the "normal" army.

I find that comparison good enough.

The 3rd SS was composed mostly of concentration camp guards. Various SS Units on the western front committed war crimes at different intervals. On the eastern front they used Russian POWs for target practice.

The SS were a radical organization with a radical racial ideology that enabled mass murder.

[ToKatz]

How fortunate the winners are writing the history books...

What is the "3rd SS"? Do you refer to the 3rd division "Totenkopf"? You are absolutely right about them, the took part in a lot of war crimes.

The SS had 38 divisions. To judge them all by on division is like judging the US Army for My Lai, Falludjah and Masar-i-Sharif. Oh, i forgot Wounded Knee and some hundred more af massacres...

Do not take me wrong: The fascist were criminals, and i am glad they lost the war. But your picture of the good and bad guys seems to be a bit black-white...

When the american fighter pilots chasing my mother (she was civilian, a girl of 19 years then) through the fields with machine guns had succeded, my posts would not have to bother you, since i wouldn't exist. And yeah, those "rabbit hunts" were war crimes too, and i am sure you have never heard of those, though they were legion back then.

[ToKatz]

The SS were a radical organization with a radical racial ideology that enabled mass murder.

Exchange "SS" with "US Army". The radical ideology in that case is that they have the right to go everywhere in the world and tell people there what to do for no other reason that they have more firepower, and mass murder is a common feature with them, from the genocide to american indians until today's throwing of bombs into wedding parties just for fun.

You can set in "British Army" too (South Africa, India). Or "Red Army" (Ukraine), just in this single case it was not driven by racism. Or "Belgium's Army" (Kongo). Or "IDF" (Gaza Strip). Or a big number of other armies and secOp-companies too.

Always the same, always heartbreaking if you took a close look in it. How cheap to make one of those worse than the others.

[Shatnerpossum]

1st SS (Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler), 3rd SS (Totenkopf), 4th SS (Polizei), 12th SS (Hitlerjugend), and 16th SS (Reichsführer) all committed several war crimes in the western front.

Then I'll also remind you of Lidice and Warsaw. And for that matter, Babi Yar. The Waffen SS and Army all played a role.

Lets also add this. The SS were worse than the army, and look what they did.
War crimes of the Wehrmacht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht)

To draw any comparison to the US army is bull****. I demand you apologize for that slander. The US Army didn't massacre millions of people, and never will.

And if you want to talk family, my stepfather's dad (who was actually a nice guy) was fighting Nazis in the war. He was bayoneted when the German troops started to bayonet all the bodies and the wounded on the battlefield. My Great-Grandfather was a navigator on a B17. His brother was shot down over France and hid from the Germans. In the Pacific my other Great-Grandfather lost his best friend at Pearl Harbor.

[Shatnerpossum]

Always the same, always heartbreaking if you took a close look in it. How cheap to make one of those worse than the others.

Either you're a damn fool or a Nazi apologist. Learn about your history before you equate the world's worst evil with politics. In the meantime remain silent.

[ToKatz]

Since i have stated in big, red letters that i do not like the Nazis i must be a fool then.
Well, so be it.
If you have to resort to personal insults instead of proving why the war crimes and genocides of one side are worse than the others', there will be no basis of understanding here.
I will not pay back with the same coin, you will not see me insulting you.

I wish you a nice day. May you find more understanding of what it means that history books are written by the winner - everywhere.

---
HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools.
Ambrose Bierce

[Shatnerpossum]

I can't help insults when someone equates the systematic mass murder of millions with a couple tiny incidents in Iraq. Thats sick, its wrong. I lose my temper easily.

If you are so ignorant of world history that you try to gloss over or dismiss the horrors of Nazism, you deserve a lesson and not an insult. I'm sorry.

[ToKatz]

Yes you loose your temper easily. No big problem, this is called the debate forum, right?

"Tiny incidents". Well, yeah... Just an unbroken line of them, but always a single, "tiny incident". How many "tiny incidents" does it need to count as a pattern?

Yes, i see there were sometimes soldiers like Hugh Thompson too - a true hero and some kind of real life analogue for "Trudy Chacon". There were those too in all other armies, most of them unknown because they somehow tend to lose their lifes very fast.

Whom of us is ignorant may be decided by future and unbiased historians.

I see where your point of view is coming from and i do not judge you for believing that. You will see more if you just stay curious and openminded.

[Shatnerpossum]

The US has been in Iraq for seven years. In that time you can probably count the number of incidents on one hand. The vast majority of these incidents have been addressed in court and the violators have been punished.

In contrast, the Second World War lasted six years and we can't even begin to list every Nazi war crime. It was the stated Nazi policy to do these things. They preached an ideology of racial supremacy and hatred that caused the deaths of over 70 million people. At least 25 million Russians were killed because they were Slavs.

In any war there will always be a few bad eggs, there is a massive difference between that and the crimes of Nazism.

I still request that you apologize to the US soldiers for the comparison, it isn't valid and I think you know that.

[ToKatz]

*sigh*
i see you honestly trying to express what you see as truth. Yet you do not see the whole picture - and you understandably do not want to, it might be threatening your safety of knowing how the world is rolling...

Maybe that applies to me too - i do not know (and you surely do neiter). When i was 20 it did, but i had some time to see and read many things, from different(ly filtered) sources.

Request not granted. Too many "tiny incindents", forming a pattern, too few even aknowledged, less brought to court, mostly not resulting in any sentences.
Sorry if you match your personal honor with theirs. You do not deserve that.

- - -

Let's talk about Quaritch... fictional characters are easy. He surely was thinking to be on the right side of that fight and that it was honorable to do what he did.

[Shatnerpossum]

Do you honestly believe that a handful of accidents and mistakes is equivalent to systematic mass murder and racism?

American troops aren't trying to take over Iraq for any master race, they aren't trying to get lebensraum. They're trying to stabilize the nation so they can go home to their families.

[ToKatz]

You can't be serious with that ridiculous comment.
Iraq was very stable before the invasion. It had an evil dictator (american-grown like most of them, mass-killing kurds and shiite with american encouragement), but it was supressing religious extremists and was the only arab state with equal rights for women and some improvements in what we can call a civilian society.
Unluckily Iraq had and has a lot of oil...and wanted to sell this for Euros instead of Dollars.
No Weapons of mass destruction there, right?
All this is founded on lies.

I still try to imagine you really believing what you say, but i have to wonder what kind of history books and lessons you have over there.
<joke on>It's not Washington, it's Brainwashington maybe.<joke off>

- - -

Oh, i have found some "nice" Marine cadences...
Cadence time!!! - Marine Corps Community for USMC Marine Veterans (http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10271)
especially those from the poster Echo_Four_Bravo...

"WARNING!! These are not politically correct, but they are some that we sang on a regular basis. Hope you all enjoy.
...
Burn the town and kill the people
Throw some napalm in the square
Do it on a Sunday morning
While the people are at prayer
Throw some candy in the school yard
Watch the kiddies gather 'round
Slap a mag in your M-16
And mow those little f#*$&#s down"

...that's disgusting, and yes, i see a pattern there. Which means it is systematic.

[Shatnerpossum]

I never said it wasn't stable before the invasion. We ****ed it up when we invaded. We can't leave without stabilizing it, leaving it in better shape than we found it.

As to Arab states and equal rights, look up Lebanon.

Sure there weren't WMD there. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time it looked like there was, it was probably a result of Hussein showing off to Iran as a deterrent. If you need an explanation for that I'd be glad to give it, I am a student in the Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown.

If you want to talk about jodies, you fall short because words aren't actions. Our troops are told very clearly what is and is not acceptable. When they cross that line, they get in serious trouble.

So you appear to have only your opinion. Please apologize.

[ToKatz]

The killing of the jews, which indeed was a catastrophic crime, exercised with ruthless efficiency, was not for "Lebensraum" ( the invasion of poland was). It was for insanity, and exterminating the best part of european intelligence by scapegoating them for the crimes of others.
The U.S.A. gained a lot from that - not only that thousands of our best scientists came over, but the modern european jews between the wars were a driving force for a peaceful union of continental europe. That was not to be accepted...
How fitting that Hitler got big funds from Ford and Bush families as well as others.

An interesting book on that:
Guido Giacomo Preparata: Conjuring Hitler, Pluto Press, London.

[ToKatz]

I knew beforehand that there were no WMD, and so did everybody.
Secretary Powell admitted that he knew he was telling lies to the U.N..

[Shatnerpossum]

Lebensraum was the purpose for invading the whole of Eastern Europe, especially the USSR. The goal was to annihilate the Slavs and use the remaining ones as slaves. It was a merely another facet of Hitler's racist ideology.

Henry Ford was a well-known anti-semite, like Charles Lindbergh. Please stop the red herrings and discuss the issue.

[Shatnerpossum]

I knew beforehand that there were no WMD, and so did everybody.
Secretary Powell admitted that he knew he was telling lies to the U.N..

No one did. To say otherwise is a gross lie.

[ToKatz]

They get in serious trouble? Come one, how many, when and where?
My Lai: One single officer got a three year sentence, most of that time in house arrest.
Falludjah: Nothing that i know of... (i might be wrong here)
Abu Ghareib: Only a few on the low end got small sentences, none of them still in jail, all high brass got away. It loolks like Lyndie England was punished for getting caught in the photos, not the deeds, and just as a single scapegoat.
Masar-i-Sharif: Nothing that i know of...

Yes, of course words are not action. But they are there to kill of any empathy. So they set the stage for violence.

You are right with Lebanon. Because that's not an islamic state, i forgot about that.

[ToKatz]

No one did. To say otherwise is a gross lie.

Dude, who are you to know what i knew and what not?

[ToKatz]

"Lebensraum" was searched for in Poland, Chechoslowakia, Hungary. It is not clear if Hitler ever wanted to invade the Soviet union. No winter equipment, no exact plans known until the massing of red army some months before "Plan Barbarossa".

[Shatnerpossum]

They get in serious trouble? Come one, how many, when and where?
My Lai: One single officer got a three year sentence, most of that time in house arrest.
Falludjah: Nothing that i know of... (i might be wrong here)
Abu Ghareib: Only a few on the low end got small sentences, none of them still in jail, all high brass got away. It loolks like Lyndie England was punished for getting caught in the photos, not the deeds, and just as a single scapegoat.
Masar-i-Sharif: Nothing that i know of...

Yes, of course words are not action. But they are there to kill of any empathy. So they set the stage for violence.

You are right with Lebanon. Because that's not an islamic state, i forgot about that.

We aren't talking about My Lai, we're talking about Iraq. There you go moving the goalposts again.

Fallujah is a city. There was a campaign there. I don't recall any particular incidents there.
Abu Ghraib: The guards were punished and dishonorably discharged. I would prefer worse things happen, but the US criminal justice system is a pushover in any circumstance. Its only more true during wars.

Nothing happened in Mazari Sharif. Its a city full of Tajiks that don't care about the war.

Words are not the same as actions. You can't equate the two, especially not equating the actions of Adolf Hitler's regime with words spoken today in a boisterous and insincere setting.

[Shatnerpossum]

Dude, who are you to know what i knew and what not?

Yes, because I'm so sure that you magically knew more than MI6, the CIA, and the Joint Chiefs, and the UN, and everyone else on earth.

[Shatnerpossum]

"Lebensraum" was searched for in Poland, Chechoslowakia, Hungary. It is not clear if Hitler ever wanted to invade the Soviet union. No winter equipment, no exact plans known until the massing of red army some months before "Plan Barbarossa".

Are you joking? Seriously? Any historian would kick you out of class for saying something that wrong. Barbarossa was the largest invasion in history. The reason they suffered in winter was arrogance and overextended supply lines. Ukraine was goal for lebensraum and the Caucasus oil fields were Hitler's biggest goal. Rommel's task was to push up through Iran and meet the troops at the Caucasus.

Your history is faulty at best and revisionist at worst.

Additionally, Slovakia and Hungary were allied puppet states and not under direct control like Ukraine. What we know as the Czech Republic today was incorporated into Germany as the "Protectorate of Bohemia-Moravia."

[ToKatz]

OMG, where to begin? I should know how to use that multi-quote button i guess...

Falludjah Nov.2004: Use of white phosphourous and other forbidden weapons against civilians. Numbers of killed could not be stated - they were burnt totally. Estimates from some hundred to some thousands.
Masar-i-Sharif Nov.2001: 800 POWs butchered: enclosed in airtight containers, then showered with bullets until nothing was alive. Well, at least the containers were not longer airtight.

And i am talking about My Lai. I am even talking about Wounded Knee, because there is an unbroken line you would call systematic if you dare to see it.

Oh yes, nothing has happened.

- - -

- The U.N. didn't believe Powell.
- The chief of weapons control, David Kelly, was stating that there were no WMD in Iraq. How nice he was self-murdered soon.
- Even our main stream newspapers were reporting that there were no WMD in iraq. Of course i do not know what Washingtons's newspapers were telling... lies, i guess.

[ToKatz]

LOL,
i am off to bed, it's after 2:00 here. I would lie if i say it was nice to argue with you, but it was at least interesting to see how brainwashed even honest people "over there" can be.
No offense intended - you are not responsible for that.

Of course i have to admit that i do not own 100% truth.

Still, the facts i stated can hardly be denied (oh well, i am wrong here - they CAN be denied - you do it all the way :ntongue: but they are still facts and anybody can find out about), and my interpretation of an unbroken line of massacres seems to be unchallenged (i hope that i made clear enough what are facts and what interpretations).

Good night.

[Shatnerpossum]

OMG, where to begin? I should know how to use that multi-quote button i guess...

Falludjah Nov.2004: Use of white phosphourous and other forbidden weapons against civilians. Numbers of killed could not be stated - they were burnt totally. Estimates from some hundred to some thousands.
Masar-i-Sharif Nov.2001: 800 POWs butchered: enclosed in airtight containers, then showered with bullets until nothing was alive. Well, at least the containers were not longer airtight.

And i am talking about My Lai. I am even talking about Wounded Knee, because there is an unbroken line you would call systematic if you dare to see it.

Oh yes, nothing has happened.

- - -

- The U.N. didn't believe Powell.
- The chief of weapons control, David Kelly, was stating that there were no WMD in Iraq. How nice he was self-murdered soon.
- Even our main stream newspapers were reporting that there were no WMD in iraq. Of course i do not know what Washingtons's newspapers were telling... lies, i guess.

You want white phosphorus, look at Gaza. That was WP. There wasn't any used in combat in Fallujah. Your statement is so general its impossible to check. Were combatants killed? Yes. Were non-combatants killed? Yes, but unintentionally.

I just told you that Masari Sharif is an out of the way city where nothing much occurs. In November 2001 all that happened was nearby Taliban fighters (COMBATANTS) were bombed.

The argument you are trying to make is akin to claiming there's a massive auto-maker conspiracy because people keep dying in car crashes. Because **** happens in war proves nothing. If you knew anything at all about history you wouldn't be saying these things.

The UN did believe Powell, because every other nation had the same conclusions.

Out of morbid curiosity, where are you? I can't think of any nation so ignorant as to believe half of what you've said. But then I suppose America is always the bogeyman now. Anything we do must be magically wrong because we're Satan. Is that it?

So go read your newspapers that are obviously much better than anyone else's.

[Shatnerpossum]

LOL,
i am off to bed, it's after 2:00 here. I would lie if i say it was nice to argue with you, but it was at least interesting to see how brainwashed even honest people "over there" can be.
No offense intended - you are not responsible for that.

Of course i have to admit that i do not own 100% truth.

Still, the facts i stated can hardly be denied (oh well, i am wrong here - they CAN be denied - you do it all the way :ntongue: but they are still facts and anybody can find out about), and my interpretation of an unbroken line of massacres seems to be unchallenged (i hope that i made clear enough what are facts and what interpretations).

Good night.

I laugh at your idea of "Brain-washed" when you can't tell the difference between mass genocide and collateral damage.

Get some real facts and then come back. All you have are accusations and bad history.

[Apollo]

Hometree was a heart to Neytiri. Her forest, her world. Both of which were destroyed. Quatrich did his job, but it's draw backs caught up to him.

[hallipino]

I agree with all of those Neytirifanboy

[ToKatz]

Cherifa Sirry's Blog: Did you forget about Fallujah? Fallujah didn't forget | Wake Up From Your Slumber (http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4705)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-fog-of-war-white-phosphorus-fallujah-and-some-burning-questions-515345.html

denying facts doesn't help here. Neither does not answering the question how many "tiny incidents" (sic!) it needs to count as a pattern.

"Satan"? No. Mislead humans.

[Kestor]

Guys, seriously.

This is a thread about Quaritch. You wanna debate WW2, do so in a separate thread.

Thanks...

[Shatnerpossum]

Cherifa Sirry's Blog: Did you forget about Fallujah? Fallujah didn't forget | Wake Up From Your Slumber (http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4705)

denying facts doesn't help here. Neither does not answering the question how many "tiny incidents" (sic!) it needs to count as a pattern.

"Satan"? No. Mislead humans.

Fallujah is under Iraqi Army control and has been for four years. The premise of the blog you linked to is wrong.

Additionally, I suggest you take up the issue of collateral damage with Al Qaeda. US troops aren't the ones setting off bombs in public places.

Al Jazeera is my media outlet of choice, and they haven't spouted any of this bull.

"Tiny incidents" occur as a result of human error and the occasional bad egg. That pattern exists in every army on earth because the commonality is being human. Maybe if we had robots doing this we wouldn't have errors, but we don't.

So there is no intentional pattern or conspiracy. If you understood history you'd understand that.

[Shatnerpossum]

Guys, seriously.

This is a thread about Quaritch. You wanna debate WW2, do so in a separate thread.

Thanks...

This is personal now. When someone goes and excuses Hitler's SS but attacks my country, they attack me as an American citizen and a historian.

[ToKatz]

Kestor,
affirmative.

Still, in some twisted kind it was still talking about quaritch. The Quaritchs of today, always believing that "blue apes" or "brown apes" have no human rights.

I am out of that discussion now, by Kestor's request. Arguments are exchanged, everybody who wants might weight them.