Humanity as one....

[NAvi_warrior64]

Is the Idea so far fetched? I mean why aren't we truly united as one? When you look at games like Halo you have the UNSC or Mass Effect you have the system alliance and I think why isn't humanity like that now?

The reason why I'm bring this up is because I am currently doing an essay on the UN and how sometimes its fails the purpose it was created for, to preserve peace and human rights. The reason why I say this is because I remember doing a project on the Rwandan Genocide where the UN basically said "it not our problem" and told General Roméo Dallaire ( the Canadian force commander of UNAMIR who refused to pull out of Rwanda and tried to save as many as he could with hardly enough men or weapons) to "reduce cost" of the operation.....1,174,000 die in the course of 100 days.

What really upset me about this is that those lives could've been saved, before the genocide started, General Romeo Dallaire received Intel from a informant that said the Hutus ( the faction who committed the genocide )were stock piling weapons and were planing for the extermination of Tutsis ( the victims) upon receiving this Intel, Dallaire made immediate plans for UNAMIR troops to seize the arms caches and advised UN Headquarters of his intentions, believing these actions lay within his mission's mandate. Just before he was able to put his plan to action, he was ordered to stand down. on the first day 10,000 human beings were killed. Dallaire went to the U.S embassy in Rwanda to ask for 300 marines that were stationed in a nearby city to help stop these killings, they refused. they said "it's not our problem"

I'm sorry to say my American friends, but your government is fu*king heartless and only cares about themselves. Furthermore after a 100 days, when the Genocide stopped, American politicians arrive claiming they helped to put an end to the civil war because they supported the Tutsis rebels. In fact before the killings started, they were selling weapons to the tutsis!? I believe they wanted this "war" to happen.

afterwards, Dallaire returned to New york where he was blamed for the failure of UNAMIR.

IN 1994, the year all this started, the year that i was born. this was the year i loss faith in the current system of the UN.

Back to my topic question, If the world was truly united as one would this ever occur? when i mean united, I mean the UN has it's own military force made up of men and women from different countries, a parliamentary government of its own, dealing with international and humanity affairs and not being controlled by one country. does this sound so far fetched? I mean i think this would end our self-extermination efforts of war.

Furthermore would this not strengthen humanity as a whole? For example when the United states was divided it became weak, so weak in fact if the British wanted to they could've taken back the 13 colonies. then when the states United once more it became strong and now it is the most powerful country in the world. it proves we are stronger united than when we are divided.

what if hypothetically there was an alien invasion, we have no army to combat them....we were too busy fighting amongst ourselves because of past mistakes.

I am the type of person who looks at the bigger picture of things and the way i see earth now is that we are vulnerable to attack.

what do you think? it is possible to put aside our differences and truly unite or are countries afraid of losing power and control over this world?


P.S if any you are interested in the Rwandan Genocide then i would recommend that you watch a movie called "shake hands with the devil"

[Tsyal Makto]

Not sure how widespread the mindset is, but here in the US, there's a major fear of global government. People here tend to be VERY conservative on the issue of who should hold what power. It's already difficult enough for people to respect the federal government (states rights is big here, people want their states to do as much as possible), it would be damn near impossible for these people to handle something like UNSC or System Alliance.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

the problem is that over 90% of the operating capital and expenses of the toothless UN,come from the United States...and we are broke as church mice. there are 183 countries in the UN Charter...where the hell is the money from all these countries??? tired of my stupid gov't trying to be the world cop.

[Foxhound]

The American government is corrupt, evil, selfish, and power hungry, just like every other government on this planet. If we gave it ultimate power over the entire world how long do you think it would be until it turned into another dictatorship? Only fools trust their government too do anything and I am not a fool. Even when the government tries to do something good they mess it up completely.

[tm20]

sorry, i didn't read the post (it is quite long) but i saw this thread is about humanity so i'll just post this here. i thought i would stop watching thise video after a few mintues but i ended up watching the whole thing.

*im such a hypocrite. i cant be bothered to read a long post but i post a long video :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc

[_Omaticaya_]

http://www.avatar-forums.com/debate/lets-take-look-human-tribalism-global-oneness-17445/

[Pamtseotu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Bn3uYqaXA&feature=related

I think this fits here....thoughts?

[_Omaticaya_]

I don't believe in humanity as one, maybe I should say, Anymore. We're so many, we're So different, there's no such thing as a huge concept like Humanity to be 'One', if it we're actually like that, then believe me, it would be a sad world.
Instead, in the meantime of our 'sad' lives, we actually enjoy this so much, living in doubt, fear, love, hate, brief moments of apparent Pleasure, and feelings such as 'Oneness', but mate, if only we knew just how bad some people are, and the bad things that happen in the world, I'd rather suicide than be even thought of 'in Union' with such monsters.

[Aihwa]

sorry, i didn't read the post (it is quite long) but i saw this thread is about humanity so i'll just post this here. i thought i would stop watching thise video after a few mintues but i ended up watching the whole thing.

*im such a hypocrite. i cant be bothered to read a long post but i post a long video :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc



It was only a matter of time.


http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2012/03/111.jpg



Also, less than a third of the money they collect goes to actually do anything. The Invisible Children also refuse to allow their finances to be audited by an outside source. They scammin' bro.

[tm20]

yeah i watched it, didn't think much of it. just when i'm about to forget about it, people start saying it's a scam. then the guy gets caught jacking off in public -_- don't know if your post is meant to be an attack on me or not, but when ever i see videos like this i tend to not care too much. unless there's something in the video that interests me, i just tell myself "sucks to be in there situation" and i forget about it.

*and when i saw the guy teaching his kid who the "bad guy" was, it just made me think of how a super conservative or super religious family teaches their children their morals and values. the kid may grow up to think his dad's a ****ing hero adn anyone opposing him is evil. and when he finds out that one day his dad was caught jacking off in public, he'll probably convinve himself that it was for a good cause :P

*btw if someone does share the video, don't get angry at them or attack them. their actions may not do much, or anything at all, but atleast it makes them feel like a decent human being, so don't spoil the fun for them :rotfl:

[RD-701]

If I may detract from being on-topic; the Kony stuff really doesn't make sense. The claims are likely exaggerated, Kony hasn't been operating in Uganda for some time, the UDF or whoever that they support aren't squeaky-clean themselves, and from what I hear the basic call is for more US military action in Africa, which can be interpreted in various different ways, most of them negative.

Sure, Kony is a terrible criminal, and if he were to be brought to justice the world would be better off, but he's not important enough to be such a center of attention. If only there was viral attention directed towards the real issues in Africa, the root of almost all problems here, including various civil wars- lack of economic infrastructure, lack of education, gender inequality, lack of medicine and civil infrastructure troubled or even absent democracy, and corruption. Sure, only Africans can solve Africa's problems, but if the rest of the world was conscious* of the problems in impoverished areas such as those in Africa, it would definitely help.

*And by that I mean in a helpful way, not the "Timmy, eat your broccoli, there are starving kids in Africa who don't even have broccoli!" way, or the "first world guilt, white man's burden" way.

And it's really annoying that particular people- I guess you could call Kony an example, but looking more towards people like bin Laden, are made into figureheads, that if caught or killed, magically solve problems (kinda of like cutting the head off a snake). And it's really nonsense, because it's not really bin Laden that's a problem, it's the ideas he's associated with. They continue to be a problem long after he's gone. Now, an oft-cited quote is that you can't kill an idea. But you can fight it, and you can change the way people percieve it- for better or worse.

The thing is, fighting an idea is far harder than fighting in a conventional war, or killing/arresting someone. You can't harm an idea with munitions, or even by inflicting casualties. Fighting an idea is extremely difficult to do- especially when you have to admit that you're at least partially responsible for it being a problem.

Going on-topic again, I think one should always be very weary of anyone who wants to establish a one-world government. There's a fine line between 'unify' and 'conquer', and my bet is that anyone who is focused on abolishing individual nation states to establish a specific group of people as a world government is mostly performing the latter. A nation can be a constructive sub-unit of humanity as a whole- the key should be to eliminate problems between nation states and encourage unity, rather than some sort of global conquest for world domination (benevolent or otherwise).

[cargo]

Nothing in the past ten years has ever been the governments from the war on terror, the economy, or the big bankers that took all the bailout money and spent it all on partying. The real people that should be blamed for the past ten years are the citizens of the United States. We have become lazy and expect things to change the way we want them to be without us having to do anything about it. Just look at some of the people running for president they act like they are uneducated some of the other candidates have a degree in business communication which is basically a professional lyre. Another thing is none of the news industries in America have any laws or acts to keep them from editing or manipulating the news in any way from not fully covering stories to journalist not giving the reader their own opinion. I have not heard a signal detailed news story covering what our troops in Iraq are doing or what is happening in occupy Wall Street.

The problem is people aren't meeting each other face to face to talk about these problems and how we can all help fix them in a way that will really work and benefit everyone.

[_Omaticaya_]

Nothing in the past ten years has ever been the governments from the war on terror, the economy, or the big bankers that took all the bailout money and spent it all on partying. The real people that should be blamed for the past ten years are the citizens of the United States. We have become lazy and expect things to change the way we want them to be without us having to do anything about it. Just look at some of the people running for president they act like they are uneducated some of the other candidates have a degree in business communication which is basically a professional lyre. Another thing is none of the news industries in America have any laws or acts to keep them from editing or manipulating the news in any way from not fully covering stories to journalist not giving the reader their own opinion. I have not heard a signal detailed news story covering what our troops in Iraq are doing or what is happening in occupy Wall Street.

The problem is people aren't meeting each other face to face to talk about these problems and how we can all help fix them in a way that will really work and benefit everyone.

^Well said. I agree, especially with the last sentence, I think the whole Internet and instant news and all that is the main cause, we just take in all this news and information and opinions, suck it in like Abiotic sponges and expect our needs and preferences to be made, well it won't happen, and the way It's going today, will make it worse and worse.

[DeMouse]

I feel the exact opposite way about the inteternet.

I feel that it makes people realise they are part of a global community instead of the insular groups we used to operate in before we had an easy means for the everyday person to communicate with people on the other side of the globe.


It redices contact with people living in our immediate vicinity but it vastly multiplies the interaction with other cutures. More interaction leads to better understanding and better understanding leads to less war and a greater global community.

I don't tihnk a single earth nation will be necessary. Just having a global language combined with the internet would be sufficient to prevent future outright conflicts between nations (assuming they are even slightly democratic).

[_Omaticaya_]

I feel the exact opposite way about the inteternet.

I feel that it makes people realise they are part of a global community instead of the insular groups we used to operate in before we had an easy means for the everyday person to communicate with people on the other side of the globe.


It redices contact with people living in our immediate vicinity but it vastly multiplies the interaction with other cutures. More interaction leads to better understanding and better understanding leads to less war and a greater global community.

I don't tihnk a single earth nation will be necessary. Just having a global language combined with the internet would be sufficient to prevent future outright conflicts between nations (assuming they are even slightly democratic).

Yeah but there's something about internet that slowly destroyes true contact. How can I explain, there's nothing like a face to face meeting, wether it be a chat on skype or a worldwide council.

[gilmeiri1]

The UN is bull****...
Look at their "Civil Right Council" members:
Saudi Arabia(Stoning women for betraying their husbend is legal in their and of course there are no human rights or democracy there)
Russia(No democracy, human rights permanently violated)
China(No human rights, no democracy)
Jordan(No democracy, human rights permanently violated)

This is why I think the UN should be disband.
Europe, America and Australia should establish a new organization without China and Russia

[NAvi_warrior64]

If I may detract from being on-topic; the Kony stuff really doesn't make sense. The claims are likely exaggerated, Kony hasn't been operating in Uganda for some time, the UDF or whoever that they support aren't squeaky-clean themselves, and from what I hear the basic call is for more US military action in Africa, which can be interpreted in various different ways, most of them negative.

Sure, Kony is a terrible criminal, and if he were to be brought to justice the world would be better off, but he's not important enough to be such a center of attention. If only there was viral attention directed towards the real issues in Africa, the root of almost all problems here, including various civil wars- lack of economic infrastructure, lack of education, gender inequality, lack of medicine and civil infrastructure troubled or even absent democracy, and corruption. Sure, only Africans can solve Africa's problems, but if the rest of the world was conscious* of the problems in impoverished areas such as those in Africa, it would definitely help.

*And by that I mean in a helpful way, not the "Timmy, eat your broccoli, there are starving kids in Africa who don't even have broccoli!" way, or the "first world guilt, white man's burden" way.

And it's really annoying that particular people- I guess you could call Kony an example, but looking more towards people like bin Laden, are made into figureheads, that if caught or killed, magically solve problems (kinda of like cutting the head off a snake). And it's really nonsense, because it's not really bin Laden that's a problem, it's the ideas he's associated with. They continue to be a problem long after he's gone. Now, an oft-cited quote is that you can't kill an idea. But you can fight it, and you can change the way people percieve it- for better or worse.

The thing is, fighting an idea is far harder than fighting in a conventional war, or killing/arresting someone. You can't harm an idea with munitions, or even by inflicting casualties. Fighting an idea is extremely difficult to do- especially when you have to admit that you're at least partially responsible for it being a problem.

Going on-topic again, I think one should always be very weary of anyone who wants to establish a one-world government. There's a fine line between 'unify' and 'conquer', and my bet is that anyone who is focused on abolishing individual nation states to establish a specific group of people as a world government is mostly performing the latter. A nation can be a constructive sub-unit of humanity as a whole- the key should be to eliminate problems between nation states and encourage unity, rather than some sort of global conquest for world domination (benevolent or otherwise).

I have to say I agree with the kony 2012 thing, simply because of the fact that i wouldn't be called a human being if i didn't care. to us, we look at that part of the world and say " what's wrong with these people?" but in truth whats wrong with us? Over there they are just trying to survive from things that are out of their control. whereas us, we have the luxury to change the channel, to ignore these facts where we have the power to stop such evil, yet we choose to ignore it. to me that's a even greater sin than what kony is doing, we choose to ignore a problem that is clearly there. I am disgusted at how we worry about our next car payment where as over in Uganda they worry about their kids being kidnapped and force into becoming a child solider or a sex slave. would it be any different if Knoy were in first world nations? of course! it would! he would arrested or killed in the matter of days. I hate how we have the mindset that when someone wants to do something good, we say "Okay, what do you want?" I hate how we have a "help us, help you" way of thinking. why cant it be " help you because it is the right thing to do"

Honestly, can you even call yourself a human being when you choose to ignore the problem? or want something in return? I can't! sure i don't have the power to go get kony and all the baddies myself. but i do what i can, i try to change other people's lives even if its in a small way. if i was GOD and i was looking down on the world, i would say " well, one half of the world is suffering and other doesn't give a rat's a$$. this doen't make any sense...don't they know that their all the same, brothers and sisters this doesn't make any sense, well better not to get involved because it will only make things worse." to tell the truth, i don't give a sh*t about my country's interests or money (which is just paper). Heck, i don't give a f**k about my country because really it's just a group of people just trying to figure out how to control themselves and the land is just a piece of dirt with a flag on top of it. what i do care about is what makes us human and i care about what happens to my fellow humans because in the end we are just one big family.

P.S just want to let you know, that I love you ( not in a gay way )

[DeMouse]

Yeah but there's something about internet that slowly destroyes true contact. How can I explain, there's nothing like a face to face meeting, wether it be a chat on skype or a worldwide council.

yeah but the everyday person can't get a face-to-face meeting with people on worldwide councils. That is the value of the internet. Ordinary people interacting with other ordinary people.

[Replica]

That is the value of the internet. Ordinary people interacting with other ordinary people.
Your either hanging around a different part of the net that hasn't been discovered or are using a different internet to the rest of us :P

[Aihwa]

The UN is bull****...
Look at their "Civil Right Council" members:
Saudi Arabia(Stoning women for betraying their husbend is legal in their and of course there are no human rights or democracy there)
Russia(No democracy, human rights permanently violated)
China(No human rights, no democracy)
Jordan(No democracy, human rights permanently violated)

This is why I think the UN should be disband.
Europe, America and Australia should establish a new organization without China and Russia

Russia isn't so bad these days.


The recent Putin scandal aside.




Your either hanging around a different part of the net that hasn't been discovered or are using a different internet to the rest of us :P

Look at Reddit, or 4chan, or Something Awful. They have people from almost every nationality possible, but they don't call themselves Americans, Russians, or Kuaiti's, they're Redditors, "fags" (4chan's chosen label for themselves), and Goons.

[allrock123]

In speaking on "We are all one people" when one trys to promote that action one must be carefull to to add, "but" We all also have unique "Cultural Identity" its a part of what makes us human , if we take away our identity the world would be a very dull gray place ,(though we would have far less things to fight about) Cultural Identity is a part of the human tribe and cant just be switched off , this is spoken in this example What Would It Look Like~Global Oneness Project-Part 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUR9BsOw3VU&feature=player_embedded) one of the biggest issues
of conflict humans face is the rise of "Fundamentalism" in the world today, I think understanding the Human Tribalism "mechnisum" to be very important if we are to ever
work as a "people" and simply learn to get along.

[DeMouse]

This is how I would see humanity coming together. I don't think it can happen through national systems.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_ElRKNTUQ

[gilmeiri1]

Russia isn't so bad these days.


The recent Putin scandal aside.





Look at Reddit, or 4chan, or Something Awful. They have people from almost every nationality possible, but they don't call themselves Americans, Russians, or Kuaiti's, they're Redditors, "fags" (4chan's chosen label for themselves), and Goons.I agree that Russia today isn't bad as Saudi Arabia or China but still since Putin took over Russia there is no democracy there.

[HAMOND]

humanity coming together is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, ther are too many cultural aand other differences, people wont want to be with those who either think differently or disrespect how one thinks.

I on the other hand wont want to be together with a lot of people as they have no respect for who I really am!!!!

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

I on the other hand wont want to be together with a lot of people as they have no respect for who I really am!!!!








oh puh-leeze,you brought it all on yourself. you disrespected our entire AF community with your very first post. you're dismissed.

40288

[HAMOND]

oh puh-leeze,you brought it all on yourself. you disrespected our entire AF community with your very first post. you're dismissed.

40288

WHAT I SAID IS BASED LARGELY on how I deal with people in the REAL WORLD and in small part on the internet including this forum! I will only say this about my behaviour on this forum, I AM NOT SORRY AND I have BROUGHT NOTHING ON MYSELF!!!
I WILL NOT discuss ANY FURTHER what I have done here on this topic regardless of what you people say.

The point is humanity WILL NEVER become one as most people think they are one with humanity when they actually hate other PEOPLE for reasons as race,sexuality,social and political views ECT. even minor thing like how one talks,eats ect. most people think with their emotions as well, reasons why smart people fool emotional people and why humanity cannot NEVER BE ONE in ETERNITY.

Its human nature anD the laws of the UNIVERSE!!!

[exostrike]

I also personally don't think that mankind can come together is any global government.

Mankind is divided into group idenities from which we are able to produce somekind of community spirit by having a united adversary to compete against. To remove such a feeling of local community would disconnected people from affairs and damage overall society. Even if you believe that such identies are just created by politicians to secure power/authority, there has been so much blood spilled because of idenity and nationalism that these people can never truely get on.

[_Omaticaya_]

there has been so much blood spilled because of idenity and nationalism that these people can never truely get on.

Sadly, Very True. Just one of those things... It's been like that since day 1.

[HAMOND]

hey demouse thanks for that video, I have seen that scientist many times on documentaries on history and nat geo, what he says I think is very true as I already know some of the stuff he said and I know basic science!!

[DeMouse]

Yeah he has some really good ideas although i'm not sure about how likly it is to actually get implemented even if there is a global collapse.

I also don't think a global collapse of society is as inevitable as he implies.

[Aihwa]

I agree that Russia today isn't bad as Saudi Arabia or China but still since Putin took over Russia there is no democracy there.

Extremely relevant. (https://images.nonexiste.net/popular/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Running-Against-Putin.gif)