Life Size Neytiri, Tsu'tey for everyone's home

['upxare]

earlier today, Porthos and me asked ourselves if there is a need/wish/market for life size Na'vi statues/dolls with certain features:

- metallic skeleton for minimum frame stability
- plastic casing, surrounded by a 0,5in (1,2cm) thick rubber coating, which resembles the skin and makes it feel like such
- Joints at it's knees, thighs, hip, upper arms and lower arms - so it's fully movable to any position (standing, sitting on a table, lying, standing bended over)
- Tail and Fingers are based on copper wire, coated with the rubber skin as all other parts of the body, so they are fully flexible
- Overall weight, ca 30KG / 65LBS and very robust
- 'real' hair - braided or unbraided (what would you prefer to see?)

The result would be something which would look pretty much exactly like Neytiri or Tsu'tey, any kind of clothes can be put on, loin clothes or a puffy winter jacket, would be the owners choice. The owner could sit next to a Na'vi on a sofa and watch TV, if someone would make a snapshot of them two and post it on the net, it would look epic for sure! I personally think a real size na'vi one is more acceptable as it would be hard to assume a dwarfed human sized na'vi to be realistic. And because they are flexible, they fit to any human dwelling, even they stand 10 feet tall (if they stand upright). Japanese, Chinese or Korean doll manufacturers could and would be able to produce them at reasonable cost.

Now your opinion:

1) Option A - Neytiri or Option B - Tsu'tey?

2) Braided or unbraided hair?

3) Align with FOX / JC (would be also a good marketing tool for them till Avatar II appears in theaters!), asking for copy right to produce them OR producing something similar, with other names?

4) Do you prefer a simply doll as written above OR such one but with communicative capabilities and being able to walk and dance? In Japan there are several companies specialized on those sophisticated dolls.

It's just an idea at this point but it's doable. What do you think? :an-wink:

[MarkD]

You have the money for it go ahead. I think it would be great to see. :)

['upxare]

You have the money for it go ahead. I think it would be great to see. :)

Thats why we should check the demand for it. If there is, then it could be really done. A life size na'vi next to you instead of a small plastic toy or stone made bust.

Neytiri will appear like this to the owner's (5ft) girlfriend. http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Sb38ouBuYxU/S-AbIId6WHI/AAAAAAAAA_s/yL4ssAKie70/PF%20Neytiri%201-4%20Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fenvergleich.jpg

[Wameyn]

I don't have a coat that would fit to put on my 10 ft tall Neytiri lol.

To get an idea of how tall a Navi is you simply have to look at the height of a basketball rim, that's tall! I have 8 ft ceilings in my house, Id have no where to put one quite honestly. Saying I had the room and had the extra thousands of dollars laying around to purchase one I'd want one like was made for the San Deigo Comic Con, non posable and the clothes don't come off.

I think to make one light weight and posable would be hard, she have to be able to balance, the sheer volume of a Navi with metal and plastic plus being produced for any kind of reasonable price would weigh a decent amount I believe. They'd need to so when the wind blows it wouldn't just fall over. If they were posable you'd need a ladder to make the adjustments lol. It's def not impossible but I don't think there would be a large market, shipping would probably be high, i believe it would need to be decently heavy, and I don't know many with room for one.

San Deigo Comic Con full sized Ney
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2012/01/129.jpg

Legacy Neytiri
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2012/01/130.jpg
The closet thing I can think of that I know is for purchase and licensed is Legacys 30" (from base to top of head) Neytiri. It's $1,600, and weighs in at 28 pounds.

['upxare]

@Wameyn
Well, if she would be just a inflexible statue like all large Neytiri busts and statues made so far, then yes, it would be a headache. But the suggested doll comes with flexible joints and it's hollow inside, just based on a firm skeleton. So if you want to reach her head, just 'fold' her - let her sit down. :nalol: The above statue is a handmade one, unique model, that's why it's so pricy. If you get some thousand produced at an Asian contractor, things will look entirely different. A na'vi doll doesn't use much more space than ordinary shopwindow dolls. Easy to get 500 stowed in a 40ft container (lane cost per 40ft unit approx $3000) inc. all fees.

[MarkD]

Imagine Jeff Dunham voicing the two life size dolls. jeff dunham controlled chaos - walter - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYd0LcIvC_o)

[Wameyn]

If she's so flexible and light that she can be easily moved wouldn't she tip over easily or not stand straight if she was easily moved? I'm not trying to be Debbie downer I promise, I'm just curious how you'd make it all work. :nsmile:

['upxare]

If she's so flexible and light that she can be easily moved wouldn't she tip over easily or not stand straight if she was easily moved? I'm not trying to be Debbie downer I promise, I'm just curious how you'd make it all work. :nsmile:

I roughly calculated it's weight at around 30KG /65LBS, since it's feet are (naturally) quite huge and coated with rubber, it's impossible for the life size Na'vi doll to fall over easily. However, I think in most cases, people will let them to be seated in somewhere, for instance at the table or sofa. As also said, she/he can be also leaned over on a shelf or cabinet. It would appear like the na'vi takes some rest after a run. :nsmile: Since she/he is flexible, all positions are doable!

[Porthos1]

I thought about this all last night. I would probably offer a Jake Sully Avatar instead of Tsu’tey just because Jake would be more of a draw and is the leading character in the movie. Even though there are a lot of people loving Avatar, a market for these large “dolls” would probably not be something for a mass production of over 1000 units. Even with FOX/JC backing, there would have to be a limited run of say 100 to “test the waters,” (marketing, art/design, tooling, production and shipment). If demand remains sluggish but we burn through 100 copies, then special orders could be done. It is, though, fully doable.

We also talked about having an interactive system where Neytiri talks to you with pre-recorded phrases. I also liked our idea last night of an internal heater system to provide a more life like feel as you sit with Ney on those cold winter nights under blankets while watching our favorite movie, Avatar, together. “I see you, Porthos” as her head is on my shoulder. Yes. I am a sick puppy! :in-love:

['upxare]

Imagine what potential the markets for the na'vi dolls are like: some event agencies would definitely order some as well as some hotels or restaurants and malls, especially if they offer environmental sustainable products or services. Imagine a eco-friendly B&B in Florida or Costa Rica, which sits on a big chunk of tropical land and offers rooms with their own themes, one avatar room for instance. People are starting to wake up and feel the need to live with and not against the nature and the na'vi are a strong (marketing) symbol for this movement. And yes, all private Neyney and possible Jake or Tsu'tey fans (we need to really figure out who is more desired!) worldwide... will make up more than 1000 unites in my humble opinion. At latest when Avatar II is out, the breakthrough would come. In this matter, I'd be absolutely sure!

[Porthos1]

^Agreed. Are you in marketing by chance? ;-) I was looking at Doll manufacturers last night and was really interested in the Japanese ball jointed dolls. This design technique is what I was thinking last night...but much much larger with the balls covered to make it more life like.

Options could be:

Jake Sully could come in your choice of RDA Avatar Jungle Gear (including backpack slightly shredded by Thanator and life size Machine Gun life) or Na’vi Hunter/Toruk Makto (Loin cloth and ornaments…for the Miss Tammies out there).

Neytiri options include Na’vi Huntress (her usual garb) or Na’vi Temptress (outfit from mating scene).

[Sanjwale]

the idea is great!! :nsmile:

any change of getting a free hamok for in my room? so ney can also sleep :nlove:

[Porthos1]

^Good to see I am not the only sick puppy around here!

[Sanjwale]

^Good to see I am not the only sick puppy around here!

why would you be sick? who doesn't love to have a life sized ney? :D

(as long as it is not gonna be s3x doll I'm fine with it :))

['upxare]

^Agreed. Are you in marketing by chance? ;-) I was looking at Doll manufacturers last night and was really interested in the Japanese ball jointed dolls. This design technique is what I was thinking last night...but much much larger with the balls covered to make it more life like.

Options could be:

Jake Sully could come in your choice of RDA Avatar Jungle Gear (including backpack slightly shredded by Thanator and life size Machine Gun life) or Na’vi Hunter/Toruk Makto (Loin cloth and ornaments…for the Miss Tammies out there).

Neytiri options include Na’vi Huntress (her usual garb) or Na’vi Temptress (outfit from mating scene).

I'm not in marketing but I take it as a compliment. :nparty: I just try to think out of the box, in many ways. I was just wondering, why there are 20 inch plastic toys or 300KG stone statues of Neytiri but simply nothing in BETWEEN, an easy portable, flexible, life size na'vi doll.

And the doll is actually technologically very simple. The ball joints are the most complex part of it. And we need them only at its upper arms and upper thighs. Four pairs of them. ;) Rest are simple ones. The manufacturer will likely only produce the dolls incl hair but not with their clothes. We need a designer or simply get it done by ourselves. It's my guess...

[prowler]

Life size Neytiri statue? Do want... But where would i put it... Hmmm

['upxare]

Life size Neytiri statue? Do want... But where would i put it... Hmmm

Is there no free space next to you on your sofa? ;)

[prowler]

Is there no free space next to you on your sofa? ;)

Don't have 3m tall roof :p

['upxare]

Don't have 3m tall roof :p

Who says she needs to STAND all the time? ;) Do YOU stand all the time? :D

[Wameyn]

If made well and for a good price I could see these things at stores like Best Buy, Walmart, Target, to help promote when Avatar 2 comes out on Blu Ray/Dvd :) Kids would love to have their picture taken with a Na'vi

['upxare]

If made well and for a good price I could see these things at stores like Best Buy, Walmart, Target, to help promote when Avatar 2 comes out on Blu Ray/Dvd :) Kids would love to have their picture taken with a Na'vi

Exactly! There is certainly a market, although its a niche but still large enough to get some thousand na'vi dolls produced. If reached a certain number, the price per each will go to less than 1000, as thats still a low tech product after all. Just plastic, rubber, bit metal and artificial hair to be used - say the material cost per each one is max 100 USD, the molding forms will cost the most, likely 4000 USD for each section (limbs and torso). So lets do the maths: 12000 plus (100 times 2000) = 212000 / 2000 units = 106 USD now lets add 100 USD wage and electricity cost for the machines per unit, if produced in Asia = 206 USD production cost per unit if 2000 units are being produced. Shipment costs 3000 USD per 40ft container a 3000 USD plus 10% brokerage fee, etc. Inland shipping cost approx 600 USD per container. Lets do the maths again: ((3000 times 4) times 1,1) plus 4 times 600 = 15600 USD to get the 2000 units transported and placed for sale. Sounds much but as we are talking about 2000 units, its just 7,8 USD added for each one. If there is a hefty margin for the manufacturer as well as the wholesaler, we can imagine those dolls go for approx 200-300 USD per piece. :)

[Sanjwale]

for 200-300 hunderd I want one. for a life sized neyney I want to pay that :rotfl: I will build my own treehouse just to put her in it :nlove:

[Porthos1]

Sanjwale wrote: “(as long as it is not gonna be s3x doll I'm fine with it)”

This was commented on briefly last night. If the effort was using FOX/JC’s support, the “dolls” would not be S%x capable. They would keep with the PG-13 theme. I think our conversation had started to digress a little at that point...something about Japanese Anime dolls. Our concept though remained PG. So you are safe…for now.

When I was discussing this with Upxare, my vision was the San Diego Comic Con statue pictured in a previous post, except our version would be movable. The art work is already done for fixtures/molds. I would add a tuft of fur on the end of the tail which didn’t make it to the convention. A 3m high room would be a problem only if you wanted Ney to stand; she could kneel, sit on the couch etc. I would like to have her kneeling so she could cradle me in her arms while I reach up to her face and tell her, “I see you.” :in-love:

['upxare]

Can't be better said @Porthos. I suggest we all in here ask around, where ever we are still online (ideally related to Avatar) or our friends circle. If more positive feedback streams in, I'd think it's time to get in touch with some potential manufacturers to outline the precise production cost. Next step would be to present the whole concept at FOX/JC. Within this year, we could see the whole thing up and running! And many of us would have a Neyney sitting beneath the Christmas tree. Or kneeled down with her arms stretched towards you. :nwink:

[MarkD]

Here is the life size Comic Con statue. http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6238/6263008877_a829db184b_z.jpg http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6049/6248770230_94ce30a8f5_b.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6018/5987487839_710c013007_b.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6013/5988054846_a123fa6f55_b.jpg

[Emil]

I wonder how many people will flock to the Neytiri statue and start making love to it.

['upxare]

@MarkD Interesting images. Could give us a rough impression how the na'vi life size dolls will appear like. I wonder what material they're made of, likely heavy, fixed statues.

@Emil It's not possible to make love with them. First they are too tall and improper for that and yes, Porthos has already explained it.

[MarkD]

From the looks of it plastic.

Yeah, most photos of that statue are low angled. Too bad there aren't any on eye level of a full body photo.

Emil has a point. Some will do anything, some humans would. Next thing you know National Geographic's show Taboo will talk about it. If they haven't yet given the topics the series has explored.

['upxare]

From the looks of it plastic.

Yeah, most photos of that statue are low angled. Too bad there aren't any on eye level of a full body photo.

Emil has a point. Some will do anything, some humans would. Next thing you know National Geographic's show Taboo will talk about it. If they haven't yet given the topics the series has explored.

As a dog can make love with a flower pot, some testosterone overloaded guys may make love with a 3m plastic thingy or a sweeper. But better that than raping women. If we would make everything what we produce or develop dependent on the most animally version of humanity, we would be still living in the caves.

[Porthos1]

^Agreed. Well said.

[Sanjwale]

Sanjwale wrote: “(as long as it is not gonna be s3x doll I'm fine with it)”

This was commented on briefly last night. If the effort was using FOX/JC’s support, the “dolls” would not be S%x capable. They would keep with the PG-13 theme. I think our conversation had started to digress a little at that point...something about Japanese Anime dolls. Our concept though remained PG. So you are safe…for now.

When I was discussing this with Upxare, my vision was the San Diego Comic Con statue pictured in a previous post, except our version would be movable. The art work is already done for fixtures/molds. I would add a tuft of fur on the end of the tail which didn’t make it to the convention. A 3m high room would be a problem only if you wanted Ney to stand; she could kneel, sit on the couch etc. I would like to have her kneeling so she could cradle me in her arms while I reach up to her face and tell her, “I see you.” :in-love:
I didn't tought you guys wanted to make a s*x doll about it. just wanted to make my point ;)

['upxare]

Anyway, there are not for making love with and even improper for that, there are other dolls serving those testosterone junkies better. This doll is dedicated for Avatar fans, for those who want to have a real size na'vi at his home and for enterprises, who utilize them for events and marketing actions. Therefore, the market has been addressed once and forever :D

[Porthos1]

“I didn't tought you guys wanted to make a s*x doll about it. just wanted to make my point"

No problems. Psssst, don’t tell ‘upxare, but special orders could be made for special friends, you know what I’m say’in? Provided you change your mind…Notch Notch? :peaceful:

[Sanjwale]

“I didn't tought you guys wanted to make a s*x doll about it. just wanted to make my point"

No problems. Psssst, don’t tell ‘upxare, but special orders could be made for special friends, you know what I’m say’in? Provided you change your mind…Notch Notch? :peaceful:


a custom one should be awesome. but making a sex doll from neytiri. IN NO F*CKING WAY!

so that is my point. and I wont change my mind on that ;)

[prowler]

a custom one should be awesome. but making a sex doll from neytiri. IN NO F*CKING WAY!

so that is my point. and I wont change my mind on that ;)

Couldn't agree more, would ****ing hate to see a Neytiri sex doll :nangry:

[Porthos1]

^Just yanking your chain. :embarrassed: There is no way we would go there...see my post above about PG-13. As 'upxare mentioned, the intent would be making these "dolls" for real Avatar fans and possibly as aids for marketing by some of the interested corperations. Disney might buy a few for their Avatar land; you could get your picture with Neytiri or Jake. There are so many possiblilities...:in-love:

[Sanjwale]

^Just yanking your chain. :embarrassed: There is no way we would go there...see my post above about PG-13. As 'upxare mentioned, the intent would be making these "dolls" for real Avatar fans and possibly as aids for marketing by some of the interested corperations. Disney might buy a few for their Avatar land; you could get your picture with Neytiri or Jake. There are so many possiblilities...:in-love:

No probs here ;) I just wanted to make my point :)

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[MarkD]

If someone is dumb enough to try, they will. That's the odd weirdos out there who will do that stuff.

I think it would be cool to see a life size Neytiri. Besides her what about the Ikran clan leader?

['upxare]

If someone is dumb enough to try, they will. That's the odd weirdos out there who will do that stuff.

I think it would be cool to see a life size Neytiri. Besides her what about the Ikran clan leader?

Theoretical doable but I guess her fan base is too small to justify a separate production. Unless Neytiris molding form can be used for the ikran clan leader, then she would get her own skin texture and painting. But the head shape (due to molding form) will be still Neytiri's... dunno if that works..!

[Porthos1]

I would think that the Neytiri and Jake "dolls" would be first with Tsu'Tey and possibly Moat. The Ikran Clans leader could be a special with the same Neytiri molding...covered by new paint and different clothing/hair. I don't think I could fit two in my house though, so Neytiri would be my first choice. :in-love:

[MarkD]

What about Eytukan?

[Porthos1]

^I for one wished that Eytukan had more face time in the movie. That would also be a special. I would seriously love a Grace Avatar...I have a Stanford T-Shirt in my closet that could fit...and snuggly! :in-love: It is highly likely that a serious stab at this would only produce a Neytiri and Jake. The effort would be dependant on demand and some of the supporting characters would become special orders, IMHO.

[Wameyn]

Heyyy now the Ikran leader needs her own face, she doesnt want to be sharing Neys ;)

[Wameyn]

The effort would be dependent on demand and some of the supporting characters would become special orders, IMHO.

It's almost a catch 22, you need to know a price to figure out demand, yet you need to know demand to find out if its even worth pursuing. I think its a really cool idea, I dont have room for a 10 ft tall Na'vi, but I bet theres a lot of people who would love to have one and have the space. Are you all on any other Avatar forums?

['upxare]

IMO, it makes most sense to start with Neytiri as her fan community should be the largest. Then Jake and if there is more demand for others, then there will be the market to go.
@Wameyn, if around 2000 units worldwide are made, the price per each one will be around $200-300, roughly calculated in one of my earlier posts, inc. additional fees and shipment. Remember, it's a low tech product - after all just a doll with some ball joints and a painted rubber skin. The only thing which needs to be made from the scratch once is the molding form, into which all future models will be pressed into. If the plastic shell (below rubber skin) of its torso and limps is 4-5mm thick, we may not even need a supporting metal skeleton. And yet, it will be still firm enough to give one of you a piggy back ride if leaned against a wall or shelf. :nlol::nlol: And as long as they dont STAND, they can be fit into every human dwelling on Earth! Or do you stand all the time? :nlol:

[Porthos1]

Wameyn, I think that when you paint the face and put on the headgear, the Ikran leader would not look like Neytiri. Sadly, there is probably no way my significant other would want such a large item in the house. Wouldn’t fit the decor. I don’t understand her sometimes, who wouldn’t want a gorgeous 10 foot Neytiri doll sitting in the Living room. I do have a computer room though…

(No, I am not on other Avatar Forums. I explored a few over the years but found this forum easier to navigate. I was drawn originally by the pictures of Neytiri and Jake in the character section. The crowd is nice here so I stuck around.)

I saw your link. I knew something was out there along the lines with this concept. ‘upxare, check this out:

http://www.facebook.com/613Concepts (http://www.facebook.com/613Concepts)

[Wameyn]

If it looks good and is any where
in the ballpark of 200-300 or so I think you guys would have a very big market of people able and
willing to buy one.

['upxare]

Wameyn, I think that when you paint the face and put on the headgear, the Ikran leader would not look like Neytiri. Sadly, there is probably no way my significant other would want such a large item in the house. Wouldn’t fit the decor. I don’t understand her sometimes, who wouldn’t want a gorgeous 10 foot Neytiri doll sitting in the Living room. I do have a computer room though…

(No, I am not on other Avatar Forums. I explored a few over the years but found this forum easier to navigate. I was drawn originally by the pictures of Neytiri and Jake in the character section. The crowd is nice here so I stuck around.)

I saw your link. I knew something was out there along the lines with this concept. ‘upxare, check this out:

http://www.facebook.com/613Concepts (http://www.facebook.com/613Concepts)


If we let our significant other one know that we like to have a life size na'vi doll because we are Avatar fans and because that's simply something what we wish to have, it should be OK for her. I don't think my girl will be jealous of a na'vi doll. And there are so many places or corners in the house where I can put the doll. Will invite my friends for a dinner at home and when they enter the door, a na'vi already sits at the dining table in front of a plate and looks at my friends - and I keep that moment with my camera. I think that'll be just epic =D

The link is interesting. There we could get the 'original' Neytiri made, based on which the molding form will be created. Are you in contact with that company?

And I fully agree Wameyn, the market for a doll in that price class will be quite big.

[Sanjwale]

Is there actually anyway to contact JC about this? IMO (if it is possible ofcourse) whe should ask James for permission to do it :)

['upxare]

Is there actually anyway to contact JC about this? IMO (if it is possible ofcourse) whe should ask James for permission to do it :)

Once there is a business case, FOX will be contacted to discuss the options of collaboration. That's my strong recommendation.. ;)

['upxare]

So, has this topic been lost in space or is there really a demand / will in here and elsewhere to get the project launched? If so, we should work on a project plan with all steps need to be done. Looking forward to your ideas. :-)

[Ayn'at Alyara]

If you made me a giant Tsu'tey (Or Neytiri but def. Tsutey),I'd throw my money at you and run away with it on my back! lol Great idea, but idk how many people would buy it...I mean I know alot would but enough to make a good profit off of it?...idk.