alternative fuel vehicles

[transcend]

this is what has already been achieved but is costly still.. that is, compared to getting oil in places like Afghanistan.. but people do not consider the long range costs of fossil fuels, or the subsides the oil corps get from you.. those costs are becoming more evident every day now.


http://youtu.be/bgGlE97rJl4

http://youtu.be/HY5KpBhfCpo

http://youtu.be/qD5AEnhEbIw

there are many alternative fuel sources and some great new technologies that this thread can post..

some would be easy and cost effective to implement like natural gas

my favorite is the idea of electric cars with paper super capacitors

[transcend]

i think this video is mostly pretty lame because i know we can do much better then this.. but this is a good place to start this thread from i think


http://youtu.be/uIy2qqGsd8Y

[transcend]

http://youtu.be/PQjf6AdPyS0

[transcend]

LNG.. a logical step to hydrogen

http://youtu.be/18jB74GtZwg

http://youtu.be/VzRh1Q60VcA
and no oil spills possible

[DeMouse]

So all we need is for petrol stations to start storing hydrogen and we are all set for hydrogen cars?

I was under the impression this was more or less the case anyway, but thanks for confirming it.

Note to self: Open hydrogen station before anyone else.

[transcend]

working biofuels

http://youtu.be/QRJnMAoZ8i4

http://youtu.be/FdymZ__oQ_s

http://youtu.be/6MruUfjpgFQ

http://youtu.be/k4z7p8-4oGo

http://youtu.be/Cvi_70sZV-c

[transcend]

agricultural waste is usable biomass

http://youtu.be/oLelfvPLEfM

http://youtu.be/ZZPKMaYdJu4

http://youtu.be/7r-1eeI87h8

[DeMouse]

agricultural waste is usable biomass

Biofuel requires far more energy to process into a usable form than does hydrogen.

And flat out burning biofuel doesn't generate much energy at all.


In my opinion, Hydrogen cells for cars (not burning it. Look up the difference) and soloar/geothermal for power is our best bet. some places can't get much of either of those things however and I think they should continue using coal or nuclear. Unless we can develop effective tidal power.

Wind power should be used verywhere to supplement, but not replace, the main powergrid.

[Lon]

Are there any vehicles that use Nitrogen as a source of fuel? I thought it would be a good idea, since nearly 80% of the earth's atmosphere is Nitrogen.

[transcend]

i just wanted to get this in with biofuels.. this is for homes but can can be scaled to any size

http://youtu.be/Q_QjreYaakc

[transcend]

The extremely strong bond in elemental nitrogen dominates nitrogen chemistry, causing difficulty for both organisms and industry in breaking the bond to convert N2 into useful compounds but at the same time causing release of large amounts of often useful energy when the compounds burn, explode, or decay back into nitrogen gas. Nitrous oxide (N2O) is a chemical compound used as an oxidizing agent to increase an internal combustion engine's power output by allowing more fuel to be burned than would normally be the case.

Propane or CNG
It is possible to combine the use of nitrous with a gaseous fuel such as propane or compressed natural gas. This has the advantage of being a dry system and yet still maintaining proper air/fuel mixture. Such a system requires exact choice of jet sizes and gas pressure regulation to provide a consistent pressure to the jets. Other advantages include better air/fuel mixing and distribution and less risk of knocking due to the increased octane of propane and CNG.

As with all modifications to increase power, the use of nitrous oxide carries with it concerns about the reliability and longevity of an engine. Due to the greatly increased cylinder pressures, the engine as a whole is placed under greater stress, especially the parts involved with the combustion chamber. An engine with components not able to cope with the increased stress imposed by the use of nitrous systems can experience major engine damage, such as cracked or destroyed pistons, connecting rods, or crankshafts.
Even if the engine is up to the task, severe damage can occur if a problem occurs in the fuel system; an engine running with nitrous oxide depends heavily on the proper air to fuel ratio to prevent detonation from occurring.


Nitrous Oxide Fuel Blend propellants are a class of liquid rocket propellants. The fuel and oxidizer are blended and stored, and are sometimes referred to as 'mixed monopropellants'. Upon use, the propellant is heated or passed over a catalyst bed and the Nitrous oxide decompose into oxygen-rich gasses. Combustion then ensues. Special care is needed in the chemical formulation and engine design to prevent detonating the stored fuel.


http://youtu.be/7BqreiLcDaA

http://youtu.be/jPks09qDXkQ

Nitrous oxide gives rise to NO (nitric oxide) on reaction with oxygen atoms, and this NO in turn reacts with ozone. As a result, it is the main naturally occurring regulator of stratospheric ozone. It is also a major greenhouse gas and air pollutant. Considered over a 100 year period, it has 298 times more impact 'per unit weight' (Global warming potential) than carbon dioxide.

[transcend]

add a little water


http://youtu.be/dAkRLjx8FeU

http://youtu.be/HkPFZWd8wj4

http://youtu.be/8MvHplOIQCI

[transcend]

hydrogen peroxide and nitro bikes.. top fuel show

you can skip the first 5 minutes of this video..

http://youtu.be/NIm1nPHY1vg
and the first 3 1/2 minutes of this one ;)

http://youtu.be/V1m1PMXsk-I

[transcend]

NOX emissions control

http://youtu.be/9YqxPTjGuhk


when you've got a lot of power you can spare a little of it to clean things up a bit..

THIS SYSTEM IS USED IN INDUSTRIAL PLANTS >> WOW Energies has developed a system to produce power from waste heat and drastically reduce emissions in the process. The company’s WOWClean pilot plant is a self-contained, fully-functional multi-pollutant removal system that has been testing the technology for cleaning flue gasses since 2006. Their WOWGen power plant is used to convert waste heat into electricity with zero emissions. WOW Energies’ chief financial officer Martin Brau says the company’s WOWGen plants are unique in that they use a low-temperature process to produce electricity, harnessing waste heat with two turbines. In addition, its WOWClean system removes multiple flue-gas pollutants more efficiently with a single chemical scrubbing process instead of requiring several different components. "During tests, WOWClean reduced CO2 by an average of 20%-30% while taking levels of sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides down to virtually nothing"

[transcend]

intermission :)

http://youtu.be/NqPcdVmz5BQ

http://youtu.be/uDP7Pty8Qnw

[_Omaticaya_]

Yeah, it's so true that there Is the technology, but there is Not the Will or the Funds to make it happen... I remember for instance watching an episode of Pimp my Ride with x-zibit many many years ago, all about bio-diesel, they showed exactly how it all comes out, all starting from the used oil of the famous fast foods, through an industry, that oil then becomes fuel for cars, totally 'green', and you can smell french fries in the air, so in a way it's a subliminal message ahahah Jokin... Anyway, that BMW 7 series is awesome for sure, but only James Cameron could afford it.

[_Omaticaya_]

http://youtu.be/uDP7Pty8Qnw

^HELL YEAH! :nlove: :nlove: I could watch these videos ALL Day!!! :nlol: Irayo transcend

[transcend]

me and you don't have the funds but there are people at the top who do have the money to do this and much more.. the same people who own the oil company.. and it is really no more their money then your own.. because what the top ha$ comes from the people working on the bottom.. we have a right to demand positive change.. """"for our children and our children's children"".... :)

[transcend]

lets go!

http://youtu.be/X3O-_9w_sDE
this is an rc model but its cool

http://youtu.be/sqqQpkv4hio

solar planes are even cooler

http://youtu.be/ecoxA2bj4f4

http://youtu.be/1NCOPLEJOl0

[transcend]

running on air

http://youtu.be/uVIwropRMME

http://youtu.be/jjSOvbsE460

[transcend]

save your braking power for starting power

http://youtu.be/FpthKavtSSo

http://youtu.be/sRkvGEN7ySE

[transcend]

''wheels'' tech

http://youtu.be/4PcIt0FPvWQ

http://youtu.be/ZHgN1-Qv9LU

[transcend]

how about turbines

http://youtu.be/BRa-HzmQtss

http://youtu.be/i0fxPb8nv8o

http://youtu.be/a7NMCSNkjc4

an even better turbine that is less expensive and 100 years old..
the tesla turbine

http://youtu.be/KVL8Skwi4JQ

http://youtu.be/owB7jIvkmrU

[transcend]

aerodynamics

http://youtu.be/evbBMDkKJLE

http://youtu.be/aqmvE366pFo

[_Omaticaya_]

running on air

http://youtu.be/uVIwropRMME

O.M.G. :O This^ Is the COOLEST thing. ever, full stop. You can screw hydrogen, electric whatever, this dude that made this car, is a Genius. Also, I think that maybe, with such kind of inventions, you could like, make a big scale revolution: instead of having these big family cars as we have, they should make all small two seat cars, that weigh almost nothing, and run on air! I mean how cool would that be!!! made of recycled materials mainly, apart from the structural parts of course, and totally zero-impact... It's so awesome to think of, you can 'refill' at home too with your own compressor for instance :O plus they're safe because you can't go THAT fast in them, they'd be small, practical for parking and anything in town really... Damn this video really cheered me up for some reason. See, I'm a petrolhead, not a hypocrite, I can tell you honestly I LOVE, ADORE, sports Cars, big nasty fast cars and huge V8s and tons of brake horsepower and Epic loud engine NOISE, but you know what?, when I saw this kind of thing... It's still a car I'd be having, yet I'd make it prettier ofcourse, but it costs Nothing to maintain!, and it doesn't pollute! , it's just a WIN :nsmile:. The only thing I'd disagree on as I said is the looks :nlol:, but if they produced these vehicles in cool sporty models too aswell as family ones, it would be such a revolution in my opinion... I mean seriously, WTF! Why don't they make these things? There must be some down side for it as usual? or is it just refusal to a change for the better of our Earth! instead of the better of corporate greed for ****s sake! :nangry:...
Oh well... Irayo transcend I see you :)

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

i like the premise of this thread,and the ideas are interesting and hopefully take off in some form or another,but there is one hard fact of life the world over,that is hardly ever touched on. the reality is that there are literally hundreds of millions of internal-combustion engines in use today,and still will still be the engine/vehicle of choice and use for quite the long time from now,so once peak oil hits in the near future,the next-gen of fuel must still be able to work in a normal engine with some kind of conversion process that won't break the bank of the normal car-owner. i hear people say we'll be on the public bus or tain when that happens....bulls**t,the automotive industry is hundreds of millions of jobs,and if people aren't buying vehicles,then you won't have to worry about eco-friendly fuels,cause we'll be in the middle of a depression and madness like the post-war modern world has never seen. the auto industry is almost 35 percent of jobs in america alone,from parts manufacturers,shippers,designers,assembly,repair,s ales,etc....


there must be a syntho-fuel than can burn in the cylinders of an everyday internal-combustion engine...a direct replacement for petroluem-based gasoline.

[transcend]

we really can't afford not to.. biofuels would be cheap and easy, they could be refined as you say.. id rather see new jobs created that are building building a future with all the money we spend on subsides and wars for oil and banker bail outs.. it may not be the easy way out.. but we will end up changing either by our own decision or by the forces of economics.. the auto industry and power industry do not have to go away they just have to retool and think differently.. in fact they would expand.

ocean electric power grid and electric cars with super capacitors

http://youtu.be/8-sFLGMSMac

http://youtu.be/5jQzX6NiJog

http://youtu.be/rF8fFVuIS2M

http://youtu.be/MhMETbjRlQ0

http://youtu.be/kts0bKUDlHQ

http://youtu.be/RCIN0-rt2xw

http://youtu.be/LYL6NyU1g3k

[transcend]

there must be a syntho-fuel than can burn in the cylinders of an everyday internal-combustion engine...a direct replacement for petroluem-based gasoline.


http://youtu.be/MGZEMwMx2vk

[transcend]

http://youtu.be/aIT6sOnAje8

[transcend]

what happened to the chrysler turbine car

Chrysler only produced a total of 50 of these turbine cars. The turbine engine could run on nearly any combustible fuel and produced 130 horsepower

http://youtu.be/1zeyvAq55AE

http://youtu.be/aN9WNayWwk0

http://youtu.be/-ncOYfNWGeE

http://youtu.be/Io9gInXrA1A

We almost had jet-powered cars. Chrysler quietly developed a Jet-powered car (http://jalopnik.com/5572703/video-chrysler-turbine-cars-meeting-fate-in-crusher) in the 1960s. Steve Lehto's new book Chrysler's Turbine Car (http://www.amazon.com/Chryslers-Turbine-Car-Detroits-Creation/dp/1569765499?tag=gmgamzn-20) explains how bureaucracy killed one of Detroit's engineering triumphs. —Ed.


On a blustery December day in 1953, George Huebner Jr. and his fellow engineers at Chrysler rolled a top-secret car out of a garage in Highland Park, Michigan. No one outside Chrysler knew the car existed. In fact, it was hardly known within Chrysler. The 1954 Plymouth Belvedere didn't appear special until it was started. First a high-pitched whine, then a whooshing roar, split the cold air. It sounded like a jet. Powered by a jet turbine engine, the car roared without vibration. 

Over the next two decades, Huebner and his engineers from the Chrysler Turbine Lab would build more than seventy "jet" cars, including a fleet of fifty that would be lent to the public in an unprecedented publicity campaign. The plan worked to perfection as the cars logged over a million trouble-free miles on five different continents.
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/223.jpg (http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/10/chrysler_turbine_front.jpg)The turbine engines required some unusual manufacturing processes, but the team hoped those issues, which would be quite expensive to resolve, could be addressed after they had proved the viability of the turbine cars. The cars also offered a solution to a problem that even Huebner and his colleagues could not have foreseen: the cars ran on any flammable liquid. Not just gasoline but diesel, kerosene, jet fuel, peanut oil, alcohol, tequila, perfume, and many other substances fueled Huebner's turbine cars at one time or another. Because this was pre-OPEC—and no one could have guessed that gasoline would ever cost more than a fraction of a dollar a gal-lon—the car's ability to burn a wide range of fuels was largely overlooked.

The Rise And Fall Of America's Jet-Powered Car (http://jalopnik.com/5662006/the-rise-and-fall-of-americas-jet+powered-car)

[transcend]

who killed the electric car

http://youtu.be/mqwb8DhOBqI

http://youtu.be/c1XwPQeG49w

http://youtu.be/aQh6Nd50hWY

http://youtu.be/6LE062OfrN4

of course it never really died

http://youtu.be/3RnQuDvvg6M

http://youtu.be/4sNDhYcs8z0

[transcend]

this is what the oil company has to offer for your future

http://youtu.be/3PVsv0c-IQA

http://youtu.be/R1SYrOugAks

http://youtu.be/itImv3JuBIw

http://youtu.be/vst5Iucq6yk

http://youtu.be/oILB2LwfKYo

http://youtu.be/uO9O72_XpH0

[Lon]

I like the hemp composite vehicles produced in Canada. When I see things like this it makes me shake my head at the politicians in the American government. Mad rep for transcend for putting this all together.

[_Omaticaya_]

Can't stop thinking of the Air-car since I saw that video yesterday, it just seems so cool, I can't see why it's such a 'dormient' invention... They go so on about the ****ing 'Expense'? Now what is more expensive: Killing planet Earth, and damaging our health slowly? Or creating things that work efficiently for EVERYONE's benefit?! Earth's and Our's, even our own bloody wallets, 60 euro petrol fill up for my Citroen against a 1 euro compressed air tank? Sound like a Bargain to me! U.U... I don't know why the 'leaders' of the world can't grow a pair and go against the system for once instead of following what everyone Thinks is best... You'd feel like not blaming them because they are 'forced' to do those choices? Well, then nothing will EVER change... They always have an excuse, you see it happen in hollywood movies everytime for example, there's always the stupid 'emotional' part in a movie of the 'important person' with the responsability, melting down in tears saying just how sorry he/she is for what happened after it's too late... :nangry: bull****, but they HAD to do it because of their boss, or someone's profit? come on... :nangry: Dammit even Avatar... See? Selfridge is a Bastard, no doubt. But he gave Jake just one try near the end, the famous '1 hour *linker door shuts*' even if it was a dirty lie to shut Grace up Selfridge said, he did something. For all the rest happening in the world... I'm like 34209 but without the smile... Sometimes I wonder why I even bother writing this stuff... I'm studying these Latin poets like 'Fedro' and even before him, the Greek 'Aesop', they wrote Fables, these cute little Tales like the 'Wolf and the Lamb', they're simply tales, but the allegory is basically that the evil stronger one, prevails on the Good yet weaker one... But we know that in our days, in our situation, it's not about who's got big sharp teeth anymore like a fairy tale, it's about Quantity, the people. A group of willing people can wipe out anything if they truly believe it's Worth doing...

Sorry for the rant... It came out of no where ahahah

[akgeff]

I've used alternative fueled vehicles for 30+ years and covered thousands of miles along the coast of Alaska and the inside passage burning little or no fuel. It's called a sailboat....:pirate:

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

i hate chrysler/dodge and gm products today,all garbage same as the companies which pretty much died in the early 80s anyhow....where i'm from,we call 'em obama motors,because both those companies took a gov't bailout and are pretty much owned by the gov't now. the only american vehicle i would buy is a Ford,because they refused the gov't money...but i'm currently unable to afford one. i'm still driving my trusty 1991 Toyota Celica GT with 244,784 miles,as of today.:) hell yeahhh!!!

i would buy another pre-1994 Toyota Celica in a new york second,which is where i bought this one a few years back...in Jamestown,NY,near Lake Erie. :)

[transcend]

244,784 miles,as of today.:good::cat:

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

244,784 miles,as of today.:good::cat:


:)

right now,my goal is to get 300,000 miles,and Toyota USA has said they would put a picture of my car/odometer in their books,since i am second and basically primary owner,as i bought the car with just under 30,000 miles on it from a corporate owner/leaser. Toyota USA has over 14,000 photos of their U.S. made cars with over 300,000 miles on original engine. i am currently getting 28-35 mpg in the city,depending on traffic,and she runs like a dream on road trips,low 40s on a tempermental cruise control. Seafoam gas treatment and KN airfilter work wonders in high-mileage cars.


i would like to know what happens with the batteries from those electric cars,once they are no longer charging and have to be changed out. are they recycled,reused,buried,how much is involved in battery change-out and what kind of financial crisis is involved,as batteries are insanely expensive...

[DeMouse]

:)

right now,my goal is to get 300,000 miles,and Toyota USA has said they would put a picture of my car/odometer in their books,since i am second and basically primary owner,as i bought the car with just under 30,000 miles on it from a corporate owner/leaser. Toyota USA has over 14,000 photos of their U.S. made cars with over 300,000 miles on original engine. i am currently getting 28-35 mpg in the city,depending on traffic,and she runs like a dream on road trips,low 40s on a tempermental cruise control. Seafoam gas treatment and KN airfilter work wonders in high-mileage cars.


i would like to know what happens with the batteries from those electric cars,once they are no longer charging and have to be changed out. are they recycled,reused,buried,how much is involved in battery change-out and what kind of financial crisis is involved,as batteries are insanely expensive...

Well thats the advantage of hydrogen cells. Because there are almost no moving components and the chemical reaction is riddiculously simple they should last for a very long time.

Hydrogen cells don't actually burn the hydrogen. They baisically perform reverse-electorolisis to get the electricity out of them. Its pretty cool in my opinion.

but w/e i'm happy as long as they figure out an alternative to oil distilates before we run out.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

Well thats the advantage of hydrogen cells.


please watch the first video titled 'who killed the electric car' on Transcend's post no. 31,as it specifically tells you why hydrogen will never be a VIABLE AND ECONOMICALLY-FEASIBLE alternative fuel.

[transcend]

yea.. the batteries have to go or be vastly improved.. but capacitors solve 90% of any problems because they are quick charging and can be made out of more abundant materials.. theoretically a suitable capacitor could be made from organic materials.

A paper that was released by Nature Nanotechnology describes a new kind of capacitor, built from onion-like shells of graphene, that may give us another option for specific needs: discharge rates of up to 200V per second, "three orders of magnitude higher than conventional supercapacitors."

Two-electrode supercapacitor cells constructed with this carbon yielded high values of gravimetric capacitance and energy density with organic and ionic liquid electrolytes. The processes used to make this carbon are readily scalable to industrial levels.

[DeMouse]

please watch the first video titled 'who killed the electric car' on Transcend's post no. 31,as it specifically tells you why hydrogen will never be a VIABLE AND ECONOMICALLY-FEASIBLE alternative fuel.

"The uploader has made this video not available in your country."

[transcend]

to bad you can't get it.. its a good movie if you ever get the chance to watch it.. what ja'k is talking about is when it says that the oil companies want to make hydrogen from hydrocarbons or oil.. of course it can be made from clean energy and would be a great energy transport and storage medium.. i am not against hydrogen, but the oil company can go to hell.. they do not want an flourishing civilization if they can't be the ones in control and making a ton of cash.. they should be put against a wall at dawn for war crimes, environmental crimes, treason and fraud.. rant

they are real world RDA

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

...the video also states that it takes a lot of pressure to compress unbonded pure hydrogen into the cell,and that in turn uses a considerable amount of fossil-fuel based electricity to do it,so in the end,continued use of more economically-feasible gasoline (to the consumer,that is) is actually quite a bit less polluting to the enviroment,as it requires a lot more coal,heavy oil,or natural gas-based electricity,to put that hydrogen in your vehicle fuel cell. i did not realize that pure,unbonded hydrogen doesn't exist on earth,we have to make it by separating it from other elements,a costly and sometimes-dangerous process. i either forgot that from high-school science or i learn something new everyday. thanks.

:)

[Eternal Enigma]

Oil and its many byproducts - not sustainable.



Exxx ethanol - Yeah, let's use up our food resources to produce fuel because that sounds like a good idea in a world where people are starving.



Natural gas - is a joke... once it's gone then what? (Just like oil)



Hydrogen - I'm against hydrogen not just because each hydrogen manufacturing plant and fueling station would have the explosive power of a small hydrogen bomb capable of taking out a city block or two, but I am against hydrogen because it turns water into fuel and in the process it completely destroys the water.

We wouldn't allow people to load ships of water and shoot it out into space would we?

Of course not because we need water to survive and destroying it would be ignorant!


Scientists say that hydrogen power is "clean and what comes out the tail pipe is clean fresh water." That sounds nice...

Let's break that down: The process of collecting hydrogen requires water and the process removes the hydrogen from the water.

Let's take a look from a logical standpoint: H2O - water molecules are 1 part O2 (oxygen) and 2 parts H2 (hydrogen) and H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide.

If you remove the hydrogen atoms for fuel what you have left are oxygen molecules not water and the water that was used is now gone. So the false information that water is a byproduct of hydrogen production and usage is misleading. Scientists would like for you to believe that hydrogen powered cars put oxygen or water back into the environment because that sounds great... whatever they think suckers will believe I guess.

If we use hydrogen power essentially we're using our water supply as fuel and once it's burned off (all the lakes, ponds, and oceans are dry) it's gone just like fossil fuels.



After we use all of our food and water as fuel then what? (extinction of all life on Earth) :good:

Oh that's right... then there's this.

Nuclear - I don't believe I've got to highlight what can go wrong here (Japan was a good recent example with Chernobyl the best example), but I will cover some of it. The rods they use need to be replaced from time to time and that means the old rods are disposed of. What they do with those rods is they take them and they bury the rods. (Couldn't they just shoot them out into deep space?) That sounds great and all, but it takes something like over 100,000 years for just one rod to lose its dangerous radioactive properties. Eventually they're going to run out of places to dispose of these rods... so that's where I ask the question... Should we put them in your closet or mine?

Nuclear spent fuel disposal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmU3c3lkBws



It's almost as if humans have a disease that doesn't allow them to be intelligent. (I see myself as a Na'vi)

Solar/wind technology and electric cars is the only way to go. It's the only realistic option we have at this time.

I've seen wind turbines catch on fire (it's rare), but that's nothing compared to a nuclear reactor reaching critical mass.

Just one-two of those huge wind turbines would run my entire town of 30,000 people. Four-six of those huge wind turbines would run my entire county.

If they ran the electricity SECURELY underground and divided the grid up in segments when electrical issues come up instead of affecting everyone on the circuit only those on that specific portion of the grid would be affect and they would be able to find the issue much faster just by seeing who calls about power outages. If just one person calls in they immediately know exactly what neighborhood is affect and they know where to start looking and troubleshooting. They could also remove power lines completely with that system. They could also use the towers as cellphone/wireless internet towers so it would have multipurpose properties.

General breakdown overview of a Sub-megawatt tower and a 2 megawatt tower


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNXTm7aHvWc&feature=fvwrel


Cars:

DC motors (electric motors) are able to provide more torque (power) than combustion engines. In a real electric car if you hammered down on the "gas" not only would you burn the rubber completely off your tires, but you would also destroy your transmission and drive shaft.

It's raw power unlike anything any combustion engine can generate.

A car guys wet dream... beating the pants off of every car they race.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqqtJpfZElQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEXcLYqRcSs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zof7wTxbBsM&feature=related

Combustion engines - the need for fossil fuels for vehicles IS GOING TO COME TO AN END!

So we need to stop WASTING time on developing JUNK "alternative" fuels.

And focus on the power cells of the future.

Anyone have any doubts? (watch the videos)

When it all comes down to it a more primitive life is the life for me. Why can't everyone just ride bicycles with advanced gear ratios?

What it means to be human: To over engineer and over complicate life.

(I could be running through the woods with a bunch of naked women right now, but no... progress has taken that away)

[transcend]

I could be running through the woods with a bunch of naked women right now, but no... i think about that myself.. lol.. ;)

[akgeff]

:)

right now,my goal is to get 300,000 miles,and Toyota USA has said they would put a picture of my car/odometer in their books,since i am second and basically primary owner,as i bought the car with just under 30,000 miles on it from a corporate owner/leaser. Toyota USA has over 14,000 photos of their U.S. made cars with over 300,000 miles on original engine. i am currently getting 28-35 mpg in the city,depending on traffic,and she runs like a dream on road trips,low 40s on a tempermental cruise control. Seafoam gas treatment and KN airfilter work wonders in high-mileage cars.


i would like to know what happens with the batteries from those electric cars,once they are no longer charging and have to be changed out. are they recycled,reused,buried,how much is involved in battery change-out and what kind of financial crisis is involved,as batteries are insanely expensive...

My concern would be what would happen to the battery in a crash or fire. If a battery that large suffered an internal short it would be quite the meltdown.

[transcend]

the tesla electric roadster is made with hundreds of batteries.. it is actually the simpler and less expensive way to power cars.. you could do the same with capacitors.. only 1 would blow before the fuse went.. or something like that.. :)

here is an awesome plane but it would actually need a little more ''fuel'' then it says in the video.. or i should say its not entirely fuel-less.. it requires compressed air.. which it says in the video.. it just doesn't make it real clear..

http://youtu.be/kJ79PimPhQI

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so i had to add sail boats.. so cool..

http://youtu.be/9Bw44PIo4zc

http://youtu.be/AnfnOjJgHjA

http://youtu.be/npwNnbSjBhY

[DeMouse]

the tesla electric roadster is made with hundreds of batteries.. it is actually the simpler and less expensive way to power cars.. you could do the same with capacitors.. only 1 would blow before the fuse went.. or something like that.. :)

here is an awesome plane but it would actually need a little more ''fuel'' then it says in the video.. or i should say its not entirely fuel-less.. it requires compressed air.. which it says in the video.. it just doesn't make it real clear..

http://youtu.be/kJ79PimPhQI


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Sorry dude. You lost me at "Stored compressed air powers air compressors."

Power doesn't work like that.

Perpetual motion is not that easy.

[transcend]

yea.. that's why i said it requires fuel.. it is saying it starts off with a tank full of compressed air but doesn't make it very clear

[DeMouse]

Yeah but even with a tank full of compressed air "Compressed air powers air compressors" doesn't work. I think I have mentioned this before but no engine we can make runs at 100% efficeincy. The only one that comes close is Rocket engines at 70% and that is only because they run at extreme tempratures to start with.

I got that he starts off with a tank of compressed air but refilling them just by diving doesn't work.

[transcend]

i agree that there is no perpetual motion and that your not going to achieve great efficiency in power conversion.. but i don't see why you can't run an air compressor from diving.. you could use hydrogen in this both as 'lighter then air' lift and a power source.. anyway.. i am not trying to sell it.. i just think it's a cool idea.. generally speaking..

[DeMouse]

i agree that there is no perpetual motion and that your not going to achieve great efficiency in power conversion.. but i don't see why you can't run an air compressor from diving.. you could use hydrogen in this both as 'lighter then air' lift and a power source.. anyway.. i am not trying to sell it.. i just think it's a cool idea.. generally speaking..

Theoretically a cool idea, but doesn't really work. I figure that the purpose of this thread is to discuss these ideas and try figure out which would work and which wouldn't.

I could work if they had enough power to diver whatever engine is compressing the gass baloons though. Wouldn't be unpowered then, but would probably require less power than most modern aricraft to stay aloft. Not sur if it would be any more energy efficent over distance though, and it will be tossed around if there is a strong enough wind.

[transcend]

yea, like maybe making a hybrid using these concepts..

http://youtu.be/a9jVS2AqD2I

http://youtu.be/XzeCQblYHic

http://youtu.be/wUkCyXCqUx8

http://youtu.be/qpaTVPVJoCI

[DeMouse]

yea, like maybe making a hybrid using these concepts..

http://youtu.be/a9jVS2AqD2I

http://youtu.be/XzeCQblYHic

http://youtu.be/wUkCyXCqUx8

http://youtu.be/qpaTVPVJoCI

A very cool conecept.

another issue would be the low speeds though. To me the simplest solution would be to continue using petroleum distilates for aircraft where the high energy output is needed and move cars over to electric/hydrogen cells/etc...

We have more than enough oil to keep aircraft going for a long time by my estimation.

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The solar powered Airship One concept is actually a hybrid between an airplane and a semi-rigid airship, developed with an objective to overcome the unbelievable fuel expense of conventional airlines. The aircraft is just a bit heavier than the air, therefore, it requires reasonably less effort to become airborne and stylishly cruise at 120 mph. Moreover, it features vectored ducted fans that facilitate the ship to hover or cruise. The craft’s semi-rigid structure includes carbon fiber paneling, aluminum-grade airframe and strong PVP fabric. With a large cargo bay that can house two full-trailer containers and a passenger compartment which can easily accommodate 25 passengers, the Airship One offers a quiet, eco-friendly and efficient future to air transport.
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/296.jpghttp://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/297.jpg

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http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/298.jpg
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/299.jpg
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/300.jpg
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/301.jpg
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/302.jpg
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/303.jpg

[DeMouse]

I don't know...

I'm still skeptical. Just becase it requires less fuel to stay aloft does not mean it is more fuel-efficent while travveling. Planes are actually some of the most efficent modes of transport we have due to the low friction.

Once the aircraft is airbourne very little of the power actually goes to staying aloft, but instead to maintain speed or overcome friction. Both of which would still be problems with a design that is much lighter. The wind would actually have much more effect than on normal aircraft as they will have less inertia for their size.

[transcend]

here is a hypothetical scenario to think about.. :)

combine this

http://images.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/300.jpg

with this technology


http://youtu.be/9Bo-eb1Gm1U

and make one of these


http://youtu.be/hm4Vu-yEswo

http://youtu.be/m6vgWP5U5Ew

this is above the clouds

http://youtu.be/robtNVZD_VI

http://youtu.be/G92gsTLgS5w

and big
http://images.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/298.jpg

you service it with these

http://images.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/11/296.jpg

with the power you make clean hydrogen

and fly these


http://youtu.be/Sa-w6M5UR5U

http://youtu.be/eIYF7X-I4VU

http://youtu.be/yFk5yVHFQlU

[DeMouse]

Gotta love creative engineers.

[akgeff]

I don't know...

I'm still skeptical. Just becase it requires less fuel to stay aloft does not mean it is more fuel-efficent while travveling. Planes are actually some of the most efficent modes of transport we have due to the low friction.

Once the aircraft is airbourne very little of the power actually goes to staying aloft, but instead to maintain speed or overcome friction. Both of which would still be problems with a design that is much lighter. The wind would actually have much more effect than on normal aircraft as they will have less inertia for their size.

A dirigible/zepplin is much more fuel efficient per pound of payload than a conventional "airplane" since it only needs to burn energy to propel the ship forward and not to lift it. A conventional aircraft has to burn a great deal of energy to lift the plane and payload as well as propel it forward. The biggest danger to lighter than air craft are high winds. The U.S. took possesion of 4 zepplins from Nazi germany after world war 2 we ended up crashing at least two of them in high winds within a few years. The modern lighter than air "ships" with computerization and directional thrusters will be much more manuverable and less suseptable to winds and turbulence. Dirigibles and Zepplins aren't real fast 60 - 100mph is typical, air drag becomes significant at higher speeds. For cargo this shouldn't be a big deal even if it takes you longer to get there the fuel savings would be significant. I would deffinately be interested in taking a ride on a zepplin "cruise ship" it could be as big as an aircraft carrier and have helipads for transporting passengers. You could cruise practicly any where and have an increadible view of the countryside.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

saw this pic of a solar-powered tri-hull experimental ship...looks wild. :)

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[DeMouse]

saw this pic of a solar-powered tri-hull experimental ship...looks wild. :)

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[Ja'k Dawsiin]

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what is wrong with you?!

stop posting useless crap in nice threads like this one. that is called trolling. ironic,considering you started a thread on trolls. lol *shaking my head*

[DeMouse]

What? posting useless crap is not trolling. It is posting useless crap.

They are different things. Its not ironic at all becuase that thread was designed to explain what trolling is and is not, but you still don't understand. So I guess the thread was a failure at the very least.

And what is so useless about a reaction image? It expresses my precise thoughts on the tihng you posted. A picture is worth a thousand words apparently, and I KNOW i'd much rather look at a picture than a thousand word post with no line spacing.

Stop derailing threads by complaining about my posts.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

What? posting useless crap is not trolling. It is posting useless crap.

They are different things. Its not ironic at all becuase that thread was designed to explain what trolling is and is not, but you still don't understand. So I guess the thread was a failure at the very least.

And what is so useless about a reaction image? It expresses my precise thoughts on the tihng you posted. A picture is worth a thousand words apparently, and I KNOW i'd much rather look at a picture than a thousand word post with no line spacing.

Stop derailing threads by complaining about my posts.


my pic of a solar-powered ship was totally in context of the posted thread by Transcend. please tell us,and specifically me,what your posted 'pic response' had to do with this thread,or my picture,since you seem to be up on your high horse,and making a scene with your asinine post. to me,you are trolling my post with that ridiculous pic on my quote/pic.

[DeMouse]

my pic of a solar-powered ship was totally in context of the posted thread by Transcend. please tell us,and specifically me,what your posted 'pic response' had to do with this thread,or my picture,since you seem to be up on your high horse,and making a scene with your asinine post. to me,you are trolling my post with that ridiculous pic on my quote/pic.


Diddn't think I would need to explain that particular image. It is of somone brandishing their money and asking for it to be taken.

As in: where do I buy one of these and I don't care what other information there is to get.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

Diddn't think I would need to explain that particular image. It is of somone brandishing their money and asking for it to be taken.

As in: where do I buy one of these and I don't care what other information there is to get.


well,why didn't you say so? lol...okay you got me. i isn't da charpest nife in da drawer. :) *that's deliberate misspelling,btw*


another view...

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[transcend]

http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/12/7.jpg

Biodiesel reforming catalyst.
An NETL-developed catalyst exhibited stable, nearequilibrium performance while reforming biodiesel throughout a 100-hour test. Liquid biodiesel fuel reacting with air and steam across the monolithic structured pyrochlore-based catalyst produced hydrogen-rich synthesis gas that powered a fuel cell in the NETL Fuel Cell Test Facility.

http://www.netl.doe.gov/newsroom/netlog/apr2010/netlog_Apr10.html (http://www.netl.doe.gov/newsroom/netlog/apr2010/netlog_Apr10.html)

http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/12/8.jpg


About ENVIROLENE®
Developed by Standard Alcohol Company of America, Inc. (http://www.standardalcohol.com/), ENVIROLENE® is a patented higher mixed alcohol fuel formula encompassing 8 or 10 alcohols: C1 methanol, C2 ethanol, C3 n-propanol, C4 n-butanol, C5 n-pentanol, C6 n-hexanol, C7 n-heptanol, C8 n-octanol, C9 n-nananol and C10 n-decanol (n=normal, straight chained molecule).
http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/12/9.jpg
This powerful blend of alcohols comes from a catalytic-addition process where C1 methanol is combined with itself to grow into a C2 synthetic ethanol molecule, which is identical to beverage ethanol or corn ethanol.
Next, this catalytic addition continues where another C1 methanol is added to the C2 ethanol and grows into a (n) normal C3 propanol. This process continues to build C4 butanol and all the way up the chain of ‘higher alcohols’ to ultimately grow into a C10 decanol molecule which contains 5x the carbon content of C2 ethanol.
The result: ENVIROLENE is the world’s strongest alcohol fuel, with a remarkable 138 octane rating, and EPA registered for blending and use in gasoline and diesel engines in all 50 states.
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These longer-chained, simple fuel alcohols provide more octane and more BTU’s of combustion energy when compared to either C1 methanol or C2 ethanol.

[_Omaticaya_]

Kewl Riversimple Hyrban City Car for UK (http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/riversimple-hyrban.htm) :D

[transcend]

Kewl ..


it isn't pretty, but i really like the 'open source' design concept :)

http://youtu.be/vkgoNnKCA4s

http://youtu.be/_yLD7P4XWbQ

[transcend]

the solar powered g w bush


http://youtu.be/45ZquJIolvY

ok.. i'm not serious.. lmao

[transcend]

300 mpg

http://youtu.be/45pjOYFEO3k

http://youtu.be/Kf0CcbbHBng

http://youtu.be/zBe7JXDTrFw

http://youtu.be/OwVVdMmAjds