I disagree with the premise of this board.

[DeMouse]

I would just like to mention that I could not disagree more with the premise that human and environmental rights are inseperable. While technology gives us the luxury of being able to look at the world in such a nieve way I do not think that the plight of some randoms species not even sucessfull enough as a species to be able to survive without human intervention has any bearing on the success of humanity as a whole.

Issues like polution and global warming may affect us but that is no where near the same thing as human rights an nature consevation being inseperable. The more rights we give humans the more damage we will be causing to the environment due to overpopulation. As such if anything the relationship is an inverse one. The more we focus on protecting nature the more humans will suffer.

[_Omaticaya_]

The more rights we give humans the more damage we will be causing to the environment due to overpopulation. The more we focus on protecting nature the more humans will suffer.

Come on man... First of all just because it's 'human AND environmental' in the section title it doesn't mean they have to be linked, I mean, it's just to say that the threads here are about those two topics I'm pretty sure, not both together necessarily. Second, I totally disagree, dude why would protecting nature make humans suffer??? Hey, simple, right now, umans DO NOT protect nature, they coudn't care less; By what you say, humans should be doing great then. Well are they?

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

well,if you do not like this fine forum,or it's multiple premises,and the film Experience it is founded on,the exit door is to the left. please close it behind you. have a nice day. :)




Omaticaya,i agree...we aren't protecting our enviroment,and that lack of protection/resource management IS CAUSING HUMAN SUFFERING.





ridiculous thread is ridiculous.



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[transcend]

Issues like polution and global warming may affect us but that is no where near the same thing as human rights an nature consevation being inseperable.

every action has a reaction.. name one example where the politics of an issue is completely separate from the environment.. wiping out insects can effect whole food chains.. pouring oil on the oceans can create dead zones.. wars for oil have poisoned entire country sides with depleted uranium.. the poor are forced to live next to the toxic dumps.. the rich deprive the poor by putting up fences around areas of land and the best places of the earth get paved over.. why is so much money spent on military development and so little is spent on improving the quality of everyone's lives?.. why are we stuck with old technology instead of seeing reinvestment into new ways of doing things? etc..

[Aihwa]

well,if you do not like this fine forum,or it's multiple premises,and the film Experience it is founded on,the exit door is to the left. please close it behind you. have a nice day. :)






A board is not a forum. A board is a subcategory that displays threads.

[RuthlessGravity]

well,if you do not like this fine forum,or it's multiple premises,and the film Experience it is founded on,the exit door is to the left. please close it behind you. have a nice day.


He's just stating an opinion. He may very well enjoy the film - Avatar - as well as its director; but it doesn't mean hes like you. I enjoy the film but I sure don't share the millions of opinions that this forum holds.

Likewise, I don't know where hes running with this. If he wishes to begin a debate, he could've done so in the debate area. This thread feels like a soapbox and not an intellectual thought.

[Tsyal Makto]

If you look at struggles like the Xingu people against the Belo Monte Dam, one could easily see that there definitely is a link between human rights and environmentalism. Specifically, the violation of human rights when the population of that region has their environment damaged. Another example is hydro-fracking and the illnesses it causes when the fluids involved seep into drinking water. Or the BP spill. Or Chevron in the Amazon. Need I go on? The rights of a people can not be guaranteed or protected until the health of the land they live on is also protected.

I agree with RG. Take this thread somewhere else. It being here just seems like flamebaiting or agenda-pushing.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

A board is not a forum. A board is a subcategory that displays threads.

mouse is the person who demeaned this fabulous forum by calling it a 'board',have no idea why you called out my post. this ridiculous thread is still ridiculous and a waste of space.

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[transcend]

http://youtu.be/ZUCjipJofgI

http://youtu.be/mCZC4GTEPkg

http://youtu.be/1qP3FmITwhw

http://youtu.be/DQmkcY6e1Mo

[DeMouse]

mouse is the person who demeaned this fabulous forum by calling it a 'board',have no idea why you called out my post. this ridiculous thread is still ridiculous and a waste of space.

34086

I meant board not forum.
Avatar Forums is the forum.
Human and Environmental rights is the board.

I was refering to the description of this particular board which implies a much closer relationship between human rights and environmental protection than I believe exists.

[transcend]

exactly.. watch the videos and you may see there is a big connection and maybe change your beliefs

[DeMouse]

exactly.. watch the videos and you may see there is a big connection and maybe change your beliefs

I never said they never align. But I fail to see how things like battery hens, cockfights, bullfights, fur coats... ETC affect human rights.

And before you go blabbing on about that stuff i'm not saying they are necessarily good things, just that they have no bearing on human rights. Overlapping is not the same as dependant upon.

[transcend]

well now you are comparing animals to the environment and excluding humans.. what about the people involved in those activities.. they have people around them too.. and those people are effected by these things.. diseases come from those things too.. simply put you cannot take humans and their actions out of the environment

[DeMouse]

well now you are comparing animals to the environment and excluding humans.. what about the people involved in those activities.. they have people around them too.. and those people are effected by these things.. diseases come from those things too.. simply put you cannot take humans and their actions out of the environment

I agree to a point in that we have to live in this environment (for now). But there are many conservation activities that simply have no impact on humans. E.G. Pandas.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

simply put you cannot take humans and their actions out of the environment


this is a very true statement and our collective refusal to remain a link in the natural world chain,is having an unfathomable and far-reaching impact on the enviroment,and in many cases,irreversible damage. that 1986 nuclear meltdown in Chernobyl is having catastrophic enviromental consequences far beyond our generation,with a minimal half-life of 250 years....can you imagine all the life that has died in that area since 1986? trees,animals,insects,humans,plants,vegetation,not to mention the long-term effects of mutating chromosomes,animal dna,plants,etc....


yes,we are having a disasterous impact on our enviroment and the natural world.

[_Omaticaya_]

'I disagree with the premise of this thread' Hahahahahah

But I'm happy that somehow it turned out to be quite interesting thanks to J'ak and transcend's posts :)

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

'I disagree with the premise of this thread' Hahahahahah

But I'm happy that somehow it turned out to be quite interesting thanks to J'ak and transcend's posts :)



'i disagree with the premise of this thread'....i like that :) and i heartily second this!!!