Something faster than light? Just maybe...

[Wameyn]

Faster-than-light neutrinos? Astounding! - Technology & science - Science - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44629271/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/astounding-discovery-faster-than-light-particle/?gt1=43001#.TnwGztTmuT0)

Thought this was a really cool article :adoration:

[tm20]

well.....looks like physics just got butt raped. still very interesting though. this is probably going to lead to a rethinking of many laws so i guess we can say goodbye to E=MC^2?

Einstein, U MAD BRO?

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[applejuice]

Well, if *big IF, it is not an error, then we can say "Everything we know is wrong". This has got scientists baffled. As an Electronics/Telecommunications engineer, I am also puzzled. Absolutely every device with a transistor in it has been build around quantum mechanics and Schrodinger's equation. I want to be speculative, until now, our knowledge of the Universe and our reality has told us that we are right to consider that light speed is constant in the vacuum. It's been demonstrated. Hypothetically speaking, the energy needed to make a particle travel to the speed of light is infinite. This has also been proved and measured (well, everything pointed that way). However, right now there is a storm of creativity among enthusiasts and scientist thinking: "well, if one can travel faster than light, then, what is the Universe like at speeds faster than light? What governs that faster-than-light universe, considering that the amounts of energy needed to make it happen were not infinite?
It is fascinating, IMHO, it just demonstrates the duality of our reality.

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[transcend]

perhaps it demonstrated time reversal.. and maybe neutrinos don't have mass.. neutrinos are kind of a mystery particle anyway.. a lot of what theoretical physics says is just theory.. the universe remains a mystery :) that's a good thing.. lol..

[applejuice]

CERN repeated the experiment with improved methods and guess what, neutrinos beat the speed of light again! BBC News - Neutrino experiment repeat at Cern finds same result (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236) We are probably witnessing the end of Modern Physics as we know.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

the universe remains a mystery :) that's a good thing.. lol..


i like this statement. :) :good:

[tm20]

CERN repeated the experiment with improved methods and guess what, neutrinos beat the speed of light again! BBC News - Neutrino experiment repeat at Cern finds same result (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236) We are probably witnessing the end of Modern Physics as we know.

people that said the first results were a miscalculation are pretty butthurt right now XD i'll just go post this on the other forum and see what the critics have to say :nalol:

[DeMouse]

They were moving faster than light relative to the earth. Not the same thing as moving faster than light.

I might be wrong but I am fairly certain the theory of Relativity allows for this.

[Emil]

The only thing faster than light is Goku's instant transmission. Yes I went there.

[applejuice]

They were moving faster than light relative to the earth. Not the same thing as moving faster than light. I might be wrong but I am fairly certain the theory of Relativity allows for this. One of the most mysterious things about the nature of light in special relativity, is that the speed of light is always constant and equal to 300000 km/s (in the vacuum) . It means that there is no velocity addition or subtraction, in short:
v + c = c v - c = c No matter what values v might take. Now comes the real problem: why the current models have worked perfectly so far? And most interesting: does that mean that all our knowledge and technology have been build on a "lucky guess"? Remember, Schrodinger's equation was first derived erroneously by Erwin Schrodinger.

[_Omaticaya_]

FAIL HAHAHA I just saw the news and they will have to repeat the test once more (How peculiar -_-) As the other tests had some miscalculations and timing errors.

For now dear science Pukes:

Science 0 - Epic Fail 1

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

is a wormhole faster than light? jw *dreams about a breakthru in my wormhole to Pandora research :inlove:*

[DeMouse]

FAIL HAHAHA I just saw the news and they will have to repeat the test once more (How peculiar -_-) As the other tests had some miscalculations and timing errors.

For now dear science Pukes:

Science 0 - Epic Fail 1

Way to not understand how science works.

The whole point is to check for errors constantly and update things that are wrong.

Better than knowing you got everything right in the first place and burning people at the stake if they think otherwise.

[_Omaticaya_]

^Whatever Einstein, have fun with your time-travelling games, gimme a call back to the future when you can ye?

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

understand how science works.



yeah,and what has Einstein and science given us? nuclear weapons and mountains of nuclear waste,more every year. generations of nuclear-irradiated chromosomes and environment in japan and russia,and who knows what is gonna happen when those arab crazies gets their hands on nukes...and that is only a matter of time.

thanks,but no thanks. i want to go to Pandora.

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[DeMouse]

and thanks to those very same nuclear weapons we have reached the closest state to world peace that the earth has ever known.

With the addition of the World Wide Web (also a product of science) we don't even need to use the threat of nukes to maintain it anymore.

[_Omaticaya_]

Dude, ****. The nuclear bomb is the worst invention ever, just ****ing give it a break please. There's no way a mass destruction weapon can be positive. People still die of cancer and tumors, Today, innocent kids, after decades, because or radio-activity. I saw videos from the 50s, when the american army staged and explosion and used live sheep as 'testers'... They even harmed theirselves... Cruelty, stupidity, death, self harm... Nice one, real nice. Please man just cut it out.

[DeMouse]

If not for the nuclear bomb. the USSR and China would have gone into a conventional war against the USA and Europe with worse results than World War 2.

In fact World War 2 would not have ended without a land invasion of Japan that would have resulted in more direct deaths than the laten effects of both hiroshima and nagasaki.

If you understood the psychology behind the Japanese surrender in WW2 you would know this.

[_Omaticaya_]

^That's true, I don't understand it, I had to study it for school, but it was always a Torment to study history because It's a load of Bollocks. That's why I don't give a ****. But whatever happened or whatever 'psychology' you think there was, using those weapons is demonic and dreadful, just as much as those who created them.

[applejuice]

Didn't you read this: BBC News - Faster-than-light neutrinos could be down to bad wiring (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17139635) ?
It seems that the odd neutrinos were just a delayed clock signal.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

If not for the nuclear bomb. the USSR and China would have gone into a conventional war against the USA and Europe with worse results than World War 2.

In fact World War 2 would not have ended without a land invasion of Japan that would have resulted in more direct deaths than the laten effects of both hiroshima and nagasaki.

If you understood the psychology behind the Japanese surrender in WW2 you would know this.






we're not arguing that it indeed took atomic weapons to bring the Imperial Emperor to his knees,as the kamikaze divine wind would have been disasterous in total claimed lives in an invasion of the japanese islands,but there is NO way hell in hell that nuclear weapons and technology can be called 'progress' in the grand scheme of things. we are doomed forever in having the atom-splitting sword of damocles hanging over of our collective head,as long as the evil nature of mankind is not eradicated....and that,dear mouse,will never happen. evil is in our genes.


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[DeMouse]

we're not arguing that it indeed took atomic weapons to bring the Imperial Emperor to his knees,as the kamikaze divine wind would have been disasterous in total claimed lives in an invasion of the japanese islands,but there is NO way hell in hell that nuclear weapons and technology can be called 'progress' in the grand scheme of things. we are doomed forever in having the atom-splitting sword of damocles hanging over of our collective head,as long as the evil nature of mankind is not eradicated....and that,dear mouse,will never happen. evil is in our genes.


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Yours maybe.

Even if it is in our genes (which its not). That is the most natural part of us and would only prove to me even more that we need to rise beyond nature.

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[Ja'k Dawsiin]

lol....you demonstrate that evil very well. no further questions,your DisHonor. :/


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[applejuice]

Well, it seems that Einstein is right:BBC News - Neutrinos clocked at light-speed in new Icarus test (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17364682)
No faster-than-light neutrinos, just a delayed signal.

[_Omaticaya_]

Einstein still kicking 2012's tech in the booty, nice.

[tm20]

just when things were getting interesting :\ i demand another test!!!!!!!!! have they even smashed the electrons together yet? i've lost track of this project and i want to know if this god particle exists... hurry up!!!

[DeMouse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSgIDgGpRpk