the battle for hometree - don't get it

[Mike Philbin]

sorry, I just don't get it...

Why didn't RDA just drag off a couple of those obviously-unobtainium-laden floating Halleluja mountains, you know instead of trying to dig it up from UNDER hometree?

Seems (financially) silly.

[tm20]

RDA are known to have done that but as you take out the unobtanium it loses it's magnetic properties so eventually it will fall. people have died from mining the halleluja mountains (lulz)

[Mike Philbin]

thank you for your stab at humour, yeah I didn't mean some RDA pick-wielder hacking away at the underside of a floating Unobtainium mountain until it fell on his noggin'

:)

I meant.... *sigh* and a looong, slooow shake of the head.

[tm20]

no i'm serious. RDA actually have done that but that's what happened (read the activisist's survival guide)

[Ean taronyu]

Aaand Hometree is probably closer to the Hellsgate then the HM are,so the transportation costs are smaler. And the amount of Unobtanium under the Hometree is much bigger, so you don't have to go from place to place. :)

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

due to the lower gravity of Pandora,it probably doesn't require all that much unobtanium to make those individual mountains float,so mining them wouldn't have been cost-effective in the long run,and like the Survival Guide points out,the rda had some mining accidents with them,which i find ironically amusing. Eywa does keep the balance...

[Replica]

Option A: Dig in out of the ground
Option B: Dig it out of a floating mountain

Hmmm.... nope I can't see why they didn't pick Option B.

[_Omaticaya_]

I think that with all the technology they have, they could mine the floating mountains too. I mean come on, in 2152 you think after getting to Pandora with enormous spaceships and top machinery, they can't make some kind of rig to mine without getting a bruise on their head???, ofcourse they could have... -.- Still, i'm bloody happy they didn't ofcourse, and now the answer to your question I think is not, that they couldn't mine the mountains, but it would be MUCH easier to to pull down a tree instead, that covered the Biggest deposit of unobtanium in a hugely vast area. Instead, they might have taken many more years to get all that 'cheddar' off the mountains, and with more risk, money, time. FuKK rda anyhow.

[transcend]

hmmmm.. should i get political.. ok... just what you were waiting for.. lol.. heavy sigh from audeince..

home tree is a metaphor for 911.. which also had an internal core structure up the middle that is never talked about in the main stream media.. it would be impossible for it to be taken down with out blowing them.. which is just what happened in the twin towers.. the speed and symmetry of the collapse is proof that it was a demolition.. it is impossible for a structure like that to fall straight down at free fall speed.. it would fall over.. like the home tree did in the movie.. the movie has deeper meanings then just what appears on the surface.. it is like a mythology of sorts..

IMO

[_Omaticaya_]

Avatar may be full of 'references' but, you have to admit, all of them are 'in theory', it's not like anything is mentioned... So i think 9/11 has nothing at all to do with Avatar. The ony true reference is the big sh!tty corps destroying the Native's forests on Earth, and lands and mountains... It's all in the Collectors edition, JC actually goes and meets the tribe to talk to them, it's a lovely video and example, what a man :)

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

hmmmm.. should i get political.. ok... just what you were waiting for.. lol.. heavy sigh from audeince..

home tree is a metaphor for 911.. which also had an internal core structure up the middle that is never talked about in the main stream media.. it would be impossible for it to be taken down with out blowing them.. which is just what happened in the twin towers.. the speed and symmetry of the collapse is proof that it was a demolition.. it is impossible for a structure like that to fall straight down at free fall speed.. it would fall over.. like the home tree did in the movie.. the movie has deeper meanings then just what appears on the surface.. it is like a mythology of sorts..

IMO

you're kidding,right?! are you one of those 'loose change' converts?! oh geez...did you forget about 30,000 gallons of blazing aviation fuel from a huge Boeing 767 that hit the tower around 600 miles per hour,80 floors up,literally melting untold tons of steel,flooring,furniture,business machines,and various other things moved into those buildings since their construction,not to mention all the weight from the airliner and its cargo. all that weight on top of structural steel members melting from the intense heat,brought the buildings down. the 80th floor is what caught fire from the impact,melting all steel,and collapsing from the weight of floors 81-110 above it,plus the antennas,and window-washer rigs on the roof. do you have any idea how much 30 floors weighs,taking into consideration that these buildings were fully occupied spacewise?? OF COURSE THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSED,NOTHING COULD SURVIVE THE INTERNAL STRESS OF THAT KIND OF DOWNWARD FORCE FROM OVERHEAD WEIGHT,regardless of any kind 'core structure'.


/end rant...loose change is internet garbage.

[Wanderlust]

I agree with Jak.

It Pancaked. Nothing more complicated than that.

[ScottWashburn]

Trying to mine the floating mountains has certain technical problems. First, they are in the flux vortex. That messes up instruments and such and would probably have long-term negative effects on all kinds of electrical equipment. Second, the floating mountains only float in the flux vortex (otherwise you'd see them all over the place). If you try to tow them out of the flux vortex they will come crashing down. Third, if you try to mine them IN the flux vortex then you have to worry about the unobtainum ore floating away as soon as you break it free of the surrounding rock. (Oops! There's goes a hundred million dollars! Catch it!)

While it probably could be done, it would require an entirely new set of mining techniques and equipment. The RDA probably preferred the old tried and true ways of digging it up out of the ground.

[Aihwa]

hmmmm.. should i get political.. ok... just what you were waiting for.. lol.. heavy sigh from audeince..

home tree is a metaphor for 911.. which also had an internal core structure up the middle that is never talked about in the main stream media.. it would be impossible for it to be taken down with out blowing them.. which is just what happened in the twin towers.. the speed and symmetry of the collapse is proof that it was a demolition.. it is impossible for a structure like that to fall straight down at free fall speed.. it would fall over.. like the home tree did in the movie.. the movie has deeper meanings then just what appears on the surface.. it is like a mythology of sorts..

IMO


... >_>



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAOxY_nHdew

[SpacePhoenix]

Trying to mine the floating mountains has certain technical problems. First, they are in the flux vortex. That messes up instruments and such and would probably have long-term negative effects on all kinds of electrical equipment. Second, the floating mountains only float in the flux vortex (otherwise you'd see them all over the place). If you try to tow them out of the flux vortex they will come crashing down. Third, if you try to mine them IN the flux vortex then you have to worry about the unobtainum ore floating away as soon as you break it free of the surrounding rock. (Oops! There's goes a hundred million dollars! Catch it!)

While it probably could be done, it would require an entirely new set of mining techniques and equipment. The RDA probably preferred the old tried and true ways of digging it up out of the ground.
They could possibly tow a mountain very slowly, as it gets further away from the flux vortex if it is being towed very slowly it should come down at a controled rate it may crash down once it gets past a certain point and gravity takes over

[HufweMakto]

Like a lot of people pointed out, there were signifigant and fatal accidents that occured when they tried mining from the floating mountains. Why no bothers to look up the answers, like on the Avatar Wiki or the Survival Book is beyond me. It's similiar to the people who quote Cracked articles or other internet blogs word for word without really looking up the actual information for themselves, especially when it's all over the web and in books at the libary (apparently people have forgotten that standard as well).

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

Like a lot of people pointed out, there were signifigant and fatal accidents that occured when they tried mining from the floating mountains. Why no bothers to look up the answers, like on the Avatar Wiki or the Survival Book is beyond me. It's similiar to the people who quote Cracked articles or other internet blogs word for word without really looking up the actual information for themselves, especially when it's all over the web and in books at the libary (apparently people have forgotten that standard as well).



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^ this,this,and this!!! well said:)

[Wameyn]

I'm interested in seeing where the Omiticayans will live now, if they will chose another tree or what.

I cant imagine the RDA not coming back, at least by the 3rd movie if not in the second...hometree is down now so I wonder how that will all play out, I'm sure they have plans to come back and try and mine there.

[tm20]

Like a lot of people pointed out, there were signifigant and fatal accidents that occured when they tried mining from the floating mountains. Why no bothers to look up the answers, like on the Avatar Wiki or the Survival Book is beyond me. It's similiar to the people who quote Cracked articles or other internet blogs word for word without really looking up the actual information for themselves, especially when it's all over the web and in books at the libary (apparently people have forgotten that standard as well).

the reasons are obvious if you're an Avatar fan. looking at the links in the sig i think this person is just trying to advertise their novels >__>

[_Omaticaya_]

the reasons are obvious if you're an Avatar fan. looking at the links in the sig i think this person is just trying to advertise their novels >__>

Hahaha I agree Tm20

[Eternal Enigma]

hmmmm.. should i get political.. ok... just what you were waiting for.. lol.. heavy sigh from audeince..

home tree is a metaphor for 911.. which also had an internal core structure up the middle that is never talked about in the main stream media.. it would be impossible for it to be taken down with out blowing them.. which is just what happened in the twin towers.. the speed and symmetry of the collapse is proof that it was a demolition.. it is impossible for a structure like that to fall straight down at free fall speed.. it would fall over.. like the home tree did in the movie.. the movie has deeper meanings then just what appears on the surface.. it is like a mythology of sorts..

IMO

911 Conspiracy (Off topic):

The following is not in anyway meant to propetuate this topic.

Your vehicle has factory made crush panels that allow it to crinkle up like a coke can during a wreck. These crush panels are designed to give way to help absorb the impact. This in no way means there's a conspiracy that's just how it was designed. Car manufacturers do not want you to wreck, but in the event it should happen the vehicle has been designed and engineered to keep you as safe as possible. Much in the same way; the twin towers, like all skyscrapers were engineered to fall straight down. Logically it would be irresponsible to build such huge structures like that in such a heavily populated area and allow them to fall over in the event such a thing should happen. The jumbo jets that ran into the twin towers were huge and traveling at around 600 MPH (965 KPH). Just because something is big doesn't mean it's structurally sound. The amount of force associated with such an impact would have most likely compromised the structural integrity on its own, but remember there were thousands of gallons of jet fuel that spilled down the center of the towers igniting and burning super hot which weakened load bearing beams causing them to buckle and break, which ultimately caused the buildings to collapse. In the modern budget crunching world everything including government structures go to the lowest bidder. So these buildings as with everything else were built as cheaply as possible. If one load bearing beam was to go the entire structure would follow in a very uniformed fashion. When the buildings were designed they weren't designed with the idea that many decades later insane people would purposefully fly planes into them to get to 72 virgins, but they were designed and engineered to fall straight down in what the uneducated claim to be the clear signs of an orchestrated implosion. That's not what happened they gave way under the tremendous stress and fell just as they were designed to in order to save as many lives as possible. The people inside the buildings would die, but it would give people in the area a chance rather than having huge buildings topple over onto other buildings and those buildings toppling onto others possibly killing hundreds of thousands of people. 3,000 people died that day and even that's too many, but had the buildings been built in such a way that would have allowed them to fall over it would have been much worse.

A great example of something that was built with a catastrophe in mind, but failed to work as it was designed to is the Titanic. The bulkheads were designed to allow the ship to stay afloat with massive damage that would be considered a fatal blow on other ships. It was thought that by sectioning off specially designed compartments of the ship you could build an unsinkable ship. It just so happens that the Titanic hit the iceberg so perfectly that the built-in safety design failed and the ship did sink. Again; there was no conspiracy this was simple ignorance on the parts of the Capitan and crew who irresponsibly believed they were in an invincible ship.

We; The United States irresponsibly believed we would never be attacked and the very few who refuse to admit we made a mistake would rather believe it to be an inside job. Well if it was an inside job who did it? Oh, George Bush did? Why would you say that? Because he was... president at the time.... Well then I guess Bill Clinton did it the first time when Osama Bin Ladin attacked the World Trade Centers in New York back in 1993 (when Clinton was president). So someone else did it then and they used explosives right? Just how would you rig two 99 story building with demolition style explosives without someone taking notice? Please, stop this conspiracy crap it was just a very sad day that I look back to and I still have problems with it because of how it went down and how it could have easily been avoided.


sorry, I just don't get it...

Why didn't RDA just drag off a couple of those obviously-unobtainium-laden floating Halleluja mountains, you know instead of trying to dig it up from UNDER hometree?

Seems (financially) silly.

Back on topic:

That's like asking "Why can't congress do the right thing?" Simply put; sometimes humans are just that single minded and have the inability TO SEE to do what's obviously right. For me it would be my policy to not mine or take away any resources from any planet or moon with life already on it. My thinking is if there's unobtainium on Pandora then there should be some on one of the other moons as well.

[transcend]

the simple fact remains that the buildings could not fall at free fall speeds .. they had a central structure of a steel and concrete spine and were not like pop cans.. things with holes in the side fall over.. not straight down.. they were like flag poles.. and it would be very easy to get explosives throughout the building without a very large crew to do so.. what is far more unlikely is that people in caves could attack the most heavily guarded areas in the united states ..


""when people are sitting on things that you want, you make enemies out of them and take it. that's how its done''' Jake Sully

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

Just how would you rig two 99 story building with demolition style explosives without someone taking notice? Please, stop this conspiracy crap


i like your whole post,just wanted to point out that both buildings were 110 floors,plus antennas and structures on the roofs for viewing,ac,and window-washers. i took a tour in both buildings in 1997 when i was visiting my Aunt Joyce in New Rochelle.



the simple fact remains that the buildings could not fall at free fall speeds .. they had a central structure of a steel and concrete spine and were not like pop cans.. things with holes in the side fall over.. not straight down.. they were like flag poles.. and it would be very easy to get explosives throughout the building without a very large crew to do so.. what is far more unlikely is that people in caves could attack the most heavily guarded areas in the united states ..


""when people are sitting on things that you want, you make enemies out of them and take it. that's how its done''' Jake Sully

your repetitious use of the term 'free fall speeds' makes no sense,as does the idiocy of your conflicting statements,'most heavily guarded areas' and 'easy to get explosives in the (heavily guarded) building'. your statement is ludicrous. that is all.


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[transcend]

http://youtu.be/arcJksDgCOU

11 seconds.. it is the same speed as if you dropped a ball from the top.. there was no resistance.. it is if you pulled a rug out from underneath them.. if you take the time to actually learn an know physics it is not ludicrous.. the air space was or should have been guarded by military jets.. but while bush was reading my pet goat those jets were told not to intercept.. there is a mountain of evidence for those you care to check it out.. you may want to start with this site Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (http://www.ae911truth.org/) Evidence page (http://ae911truth.org/en/evidence.html)

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

http://youtu.be/arcJksDgCOU

11 seconds.. it is the same speed as if you dropped a ball from the top.. there was no resistance.. it is if you pulled a rug out from underneath them.. if you take the time to actually learn an know physics it is not ludicrous.. the air space was or should have been guarded by military jets.. but while bush was reading my pet goat those jets were told not to intercept.. there is a mountain of evidence for those you care to check it out.. you may want to start with this site Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (http://www.ae911truth.org/) Evidence page (http://ae911truth.org/en/evidence.html)


how dare you pull Morpheous into your delusions...shaking my head. another thing,your '911 truth' crap is another source of 'loose change' garbage,regurgitated by the anti-bush conspiracy crowd,blah blah blah,next you'll be saying that we never landed and walked on the moom,lol.

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[Aihwa]

People like you have ruined The Matrix for me. Every. Damned. Time.

[transcend]

Next you'll be saying i ruined Avatar for you.. you can all believe what you like.. i am not going to ruin the boards for you.. i won't respond to this thread anymore just to keep the peace..so peace out.. but i don't believe the ''RDA'' crap Washington DC is telling everyone.. your own world is more like Avatar then would like to admit..

[Eternal Enigma]

i like your whole post,just wanted to point out that both buildings were 110 floors,plus antennas and structures on the roofs for viewing,ac,and window-washers. i took a tour in both buildings in 1997 when i was visiting my Aunt Joyce in New Rochelle.


Oh, so they really were 110 floors? I thought that was the media saying that because of the anntena/lightning rod thing. I guess that makes more sense because just the one had that extention. I just know they were huge buildings that could hold thousands of people who could have seen even a "small" team of operatives setting up demolition style explosives.

Bill - "Hey Frank, is it just me or does it look like they're rigging this building for an implosion?" Frank - "Yeah, they are; I spoke to one of the guys and he said they're going to set it off on 9/11 after they fly remote controlled planes into the buildings." Bill - "Why are they going to do that?!" Frank - "They're going to blame some guy in a cave named Obama... Osama... Usama or something like that I don't know it's something political." Bill - "Ohhhh.... right..." Me - *rolls eyes*



I can't wait until they get it to this point:

http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/08/32.jpg
I want to go see it and pay my respects when it's complete.





















11 seconds.. it is the same speed as if you dropped a ball from the top.. there was no resistance.. it is if you pulled a rug out from underneath them.. if you take the time to actually learn an know physics it is not ludicrous.. the air space was or should have been guarded by military jets.. but while bush was reading my pet goat those jets were told not to intercept.. there is a mountain of evidence for those you care to check it out.. you may want to start with this site Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Evidence page


http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2011/08/1.gif
The photo above is proof of a conspiracy... the balloon wasn't supposed to pop, but it did... at free fall speeds. :an-shock:

[Wameyn]

Newbies always stirring up something around here, its happened so many times its gotten pretty comical really, they never seem to be that big of fans of Avatar either, at first they'll say a few things about it then we start getting post after post of off the wall stuff. It's like where have you been the past year and a half, lol.

[Mike Philbin]

Avatar may be full of 'references' but, you have to admit, all of them are 'in theory', it's not like anything is mentioned... So i think 9/11 has nothing at all to do with Avatar.

Nope, nope, nope, transcend is SPOT ON. They even attributed INNER and OUTER load-bearing core structures to Hometree. Then they blamed the arabs (or in this case the Omaticaya with all the UNOBTAINIUM under them). 9-11 was a valid way to go to war with Iraq (in their sickly devious minds), look up the Valerie Plame (http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2011/07/fair-game-valeria-plame-story.html) story or the Susan Lindauer (http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2011/08/susan-lindauer-goes-deep-throat-on.html) story - both cover the story to obfuscate the Iraq WMD data, and creepy white vans @ 3 a.m..

Anyway, I'll now carry on reading replies to my 'why not just mine a floating mountain' thread.

:)

[Mike Philbin]

Trying to mine the floating mountains has certain technical problems. First, they are in the flux vortex. That messes up instruments and such and would probably have long-term negative effects on all kinds of electrical equipment. Second, the floating mountains only float in the flux vortex (otherwise you'd see them all over the place). If you try to tow them out of the flux vortex they will come crashing down. Third, if you try to mine them IN the flux vortex then you have to worry about the unobtainum ore floating away as soon as you break it free of the surrounding rock. (Oops! There's goes a hundred million dollars! Catch it!)

While it probably could be done, it would require an entirely new set of mining techniques and equipment. The RDA probably preferred the old tried and true ways of digging it up out of the ground.

You are joking, right?

You can fly your Samson16 into and out of the flux vortex WITH EASE, you just get INSTRUMENTATION GLITCHES. Now, all you need, technically, is lassoo that FLOATING MOUNTAIN and pull it back to the 'mining area' or enrichment factory. It'd be like a balloon on a kid's pram.

Next.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

Nope, nope, nope, transcend is SPOT ON. They even attributed INNER and OUTER load-bearing core structures to Hometree. Then they blamed the arabs (or in this case the Omaticaya with all the UNOBTAINIUM under them). 9-11 was a valid way to go to war with Iraq (in their sickly devious minds), look up the Valerie Plame (http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2011/07/fair-game-valeria-plame-story.html) story or the Susan Lindauer (http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2011/08/susan-lindauer-goes-deep-throat-on.html) story - both cover the story to obfuscate the Iraq WMD data, and creepy white vans @ 3 a.m..

Anyway, I'll now carry on reading replies to my 'why not just mine a floating mountain' thread.

:)


oh noes,not another one?! *groans in exasperation*


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[Aihwa]

Nope, nope, nope, transcend is SPOT ON. They even attributed INNER and OUTER load-bearing core structures to Hometree. Then they blamed the arabs (or in this case the Omaticaya with all the UNOBTAINIUM under them). 9-11 was a valid way to go to war with Iraq (in their sickly devious minds), look up the Valerie Plame (http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2011/07/fair-game-valeria-plame-story.html) story or the Susan Lindauer (http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2011/08/susan-lindauer-goes-deep-throat-on.html) story - both cover the story to obfuscate the Iraq WMD data, and creepy white vans @ 3 a.m..

Anyway, I'll now carry on reading replies to my 'why not just mine a floating mountain' thread.

:)


You don't even know your history...


After 9/11 we invaded Afghanistan. None of the 9/11 terrorists identified were Iraqi, none. We invaded Iraq because our derpy intelligence service thought there were WMD's in Iraq. l2history before you l2tinfoilhat.

[ScottWashburn]

You are joking, right?

You can fly your Samson16 into and out of the flux vortex WITH EASE, you just get INSTRUMENTATION GLITCHES. Now, all you need, technically, is lassoo that FLOATING MOUNTAIN and pull it back to the 'mining area' or enrichment factory. It'd be like a balloon on a kid's pram.

Next.

Nope, not joking. The mountains are held up by the intense magnetic field in the flux vortex. Obviously the mountains don't float in other regions of Pandora or they'd be all over the place and not just where they are. So, if you try to tow one out it will eventually come down once it's outside the flux. And it might come down slowly (good) or it might come down real fast (not good). And just towing a mountain out of the flux would be no easy task in it's own right, a couple of dinky little helicopters trying to tow an object that weighs a couple million tons? You're joking right? :) The mountain has huge surface area, so you have to contend with wind effects and, since we are dealing with a magnetic field, the flux probably wants to drag the mountain back IN rather than let it be towed away--otherwise the mountains would drift away on their own. All-in-all a tricky and potentially dangerous bit of engineering. And the clearest proof of that is the fact that the RDA ISN'T doing that. If it was a better way then surely they would be doing it. Since they aren't, it isn't. QED.

[ScottWashburn]

You don't even know your history...


After 9/11 we invaded Afghanistan. None of the 9/11 terrorists identified were Iraqi, none. We invaded Iraq because our derpy intelligence service thought there were WMD's in Iraq. l2history before you l2tinfoilhat.

No, actually we invaded Iraq because our derpy president, vice president, and secretary of defense WANTED us to invade Iraq. They invented the story about WMDs to dupe the Congress and the public and ordered the intelligence services to bury any evidence to the contrary. It was the biggest scam in history.

[Aihwa]

No, actually we invaded Iraq because our derpy president, vice president, and secretary of defense WANTED us to invade Iraq. They invented the story about WMDs to dupe the Congress and the public and ordered the intelligence services to bury any evidence to the contrary. It was the biggest scam in history.
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Because they bought the story our intel wove holes and all.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

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Because they bought the story our intel wove holes and all.


that is a true statement...the intel services of 13 NATO member nations,including the US,contributed to the flawed and erroneous intelligence reports that led the coalition to approve the invasion of Iraq to hunt down and destroy weapons of mass destruction,which of course,were never found. cia is sometimes a bunch of derps,lol,because they rely way too much on electronic intelligence and not enough on human intelligence,as in boots on the ground.

[Eternal Enigma]

Actually Saddam Hussein broke the sanctions agreement. He was supposed to produce proof that he was not manufacturing weapons and exporting them to known terrorist organizations. He had a deadline for when he should release that information, but he ignored it. Our intelligence had been watching facilities suspected of manufacturing weapons, but we had no hard proof. Saddam's deadline came and went and because he did not release information about the goings on of these key facilities the UN stepped in with an investigation that uncovered the export of surface-to-air missiles being secretly transported from theses facilities in milk tanker trucks. Being in direct violation of the sanctions against his country and in light of 9/11 and knowing that weapons were going to the same terrorists organizations responsible for the attacks President Bush was urged by our intelligence agency to go to war and stop Saddam. A president cannot make this decision on his own so it was put before congress and the vote was unanimous, yes let's go after him. We did not want another surprise attack possibly more deadly than 9/11 and all Americans were backing President Bush on the decision to go to war. It was to prevent another attack.

If you're going to spray for bugs in your house... you spray all the rooms not just one.

Speaking of history lessons, you guys should read/watch Saddam's biography. This man wanted every living thing within the boarders of the United States DEAD. In 1983 I believe it was, he actually had a huge "gun" built. The barrel was a quarter of a mile long and large enough to accommodate a diesel truck. The purpose of that weapon was to; "Shoot a massive missile to the heart of the United States to kill every American at once to rid the world of a problem." Saddam's words. He had an air invasion planned as well to kill those who didn't die in the initial bombing, but when the United States found out about it he buried the weapon and all of the F-16s that were going to be used in the invasion. That's a huge desert so there's no telling what they've got out there.

Going to war in Iraq was a separate incident from 9/11, but many of the same players were involved. Afghanistan was about Osama and Al Qaeda. Iraq was about Saddam breaking the law, which in the end he was found guilty by his own government and was hanged. True story...

The uneducated (including many Americans) believe the United States invaded these countries because of oil. Obviously forgetting about 9/11 almost immediately after it happened. If the United States is destroyed and all life is extinguished our ability to use that oil no longer exists. Texas has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. Why do you think Houston Texas is a GIANT oil purifying plant? (Why do you think the price of gas goes up when we have a hurricane?) The facilities down their are many miles long and on both sides of the road no less. The United States has it's own oil we're just using up the oil in the Middle East because the idea was that after we use up all of their oil we would be able to sell our oil to them and make a killing. Unfortunately uneducated Americans fail to see that the rest of the world is switching away from oil and to solar/wind technology. The market for the oil we're sitting on is going away. The United States is trailing way behind the rest of the world in the development of alternative energy among other things. In fact, across the board we're doing poorly. Don't even get me started on the United States educational system, which is a huge joke. We're one of the last few countries that still uses a tank to store hot water. Everyone else has gone to tankless hotwater heaters (heat on demand). The fastest internet in the world is in places that most Americans view as the third world. I wish I could get online 1,000 Mbps (1 Gig per second). Right now I'm getting online at 5 Mbps (wireless) and according to Speedtest.net - The Global Broadband Speed Test (http://www.speedtest.net) I'm faster than 55% of the nation and I live in rural America where true high speed internet is still 10 to 15 years away. Everyone else is moving forward because our government is so corrupt. We aren't doing what's right by us and the economy reflects that.

The United States has 18% unemployment (if not more)... 18% of 300,000,000 Americans = 54,000,000... That means that at least 54 million Americans are walking around with high ranking degrees and no jobs. People are being born here every day. Illegal immigrants come here every day from all over the world. Students graduate from high school each year. Students graduate from college each year. The United States government and huge corporations are sending American jobs overseas as fast as they can. The problem is only going to get worse. We already have more Americans than there are jobs available, but our government and all of these huge corporations are sending jobs out of this country. That's why the poverty rate has risen in the United States. Poverty generates crime and crime tears down what little infrastructure we have. Hopefully the United States doesn't experience an economic collapse, but I honestly believe that's what it would take to wake up these Family Guy / Reality TV watching people. Most Americans have no clue how close we are to walking into a store and theres nothing to buy. You think the crisis in Africa is bad? Those people are used to those conditions, which have been going on for the past 500 years or more. Soft Americans are not and we would drop like flies. O'well right? Let's just let it happen. Of course, when the United States falls because our countries are so interconnected it would nose the world economy into the ground and we would have mass poverty on a global scale. That's me looking at reality so perhaps I should watch a few episodes of Family Guy or Dancing with the Stars, or Desperate House ****** to dumb myself down so I can't see it and that way everything will be alright.

Edit: I'm sorry I got off topic.

[Aihwa]

He actually built that sucker?


TIL...

[Tsyal Makto]

All of which could have been avoided if we haden't helped put Saddam in office in the first place (oh, and who do you think built those F-16s? :nwink:). The necons made the bed that we were forced to sleep in, and thousands of Americans lost their lives over. We can't control the world. Just more proof we need to learn to mind our own damn business and focus on our slowly crumbling domestic economy and society as a whole. But the military-industrial complex would never have that now, would it?

But yeah, EE, the corporatocracy is slowly eating us alive, and it looks like the downgrade hasn't slowed things down, either. Lord only knows how much worse things must get before people begin to wake up.

[Mike Philbin]

Anyway, back to my thread... the best response in all this is that THE SUPER-CONDUCTOR-SATURATED FLOATING MOUNTAINS ARE ELECTROMAGNETICALLY LOCKED INTO PLACE by the Flux Vortex surrounding the Tree of Souls area.

Cheers ScottWashburn, makes sense.

:)

[Scott]

sorry, I just don't get it...

Why didn't RDA just drag off a couple of those obviously-unobtainium-laden floating Halleluja mountains, you know instead of trying to dig it up from UNDER hometree?

Seems (financially) silly.

I don't know anything about the engineering skills required to mine ore from floating mountains. I thought the attack on Hometree was because Quaritch wanted a war with the Na'vi.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

I don't know anything about the engineering skills required to mine ore from floating mountains. I thought the attack on Hometree was because Quaritch wanted a war with the Na'vi.


the biggest lode of unobtanium for 200 kilometers in either direction,was under Hometree,and lazy good-for-nothing skypeople being who they were,decided that the mother lode under the Omaticayan's ancestral home was the easiest and least-money-spent option. but the skypeople needed a badguy and a reason to go take the area of Hometree,so they sent in their dog on a leash,Colonel Coffeecup,to smash over the Na'vi sacred trees and lands with some bigass bulldozers,inciting the Omaticayans to a warparty and burning up some rda equipment. so now,Colonel Coffeecup had his war and the rda/secops murdering thugs had a reason to go blasting down Hometree and killing the natives who had lived there longer than human history!!


there you have it...human history and arrogance in a nutshell. we suck bad.:angry:

[Scott]

Colonel coffeecup and RDA greed shows the worst in us, but even Eywa saw the best in us, otherwise Jake would have been slain by Neytiri.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

Colonel coffeecup and RDA greed shows the worst in us, but even Eywa saw the best in us, otherwise Jake would have been slain by Neytiri.


i agree with the part that Eywa saw the spark of human goodness and decency in Jake,but no amount of human good left in this butthole of a species will ever make up for one innocent Jewish child that was marched with those other 6.5 million Jewish people into hitler's gas chambers and ovens...mothers,fathers,grandparents,uncles,aunts, children.


*wipes eyes*

[Scott]

I see you Ja'k, and my tears mingle with yours for all the victims of monsters. The animosity you feel for human depravity honors those poor souls that suffered, but by lumping them, and all the good people, together with the monsters you imply that they were monsters too, unfit by your judgment to ever have the right to draw breath.

Most children don't understand why they are persecuted, why bad people want to hurt them, or kill them. They die experiencing a greater terror than what any adult can imagine. So remember them, cry for them, but most of all love them.

[Wameyn]

Colonel coffeecup and RDA greed shows the worst in us, but even Eywa saw the best in us, otherwise Jake would have been slain by Neytiri.

Neytiri is a better "person" that I, I couldnt imagine falling in love with the people that had murdered my sister in front of my eyes, let alone the people that were destroying her home planet. That would be tough.

[Wameyn]

Colonel coffeecup and RDA greed shows the worst in us, but even Eywa saw the best in us, otherwise Jake would have been slain by Neytiri.

Neytiri is a better "person" that I, I couldnt imagine falling in love with the people that had murdered my sister in front of my eyes, let alone the people that were destroying her home planet. That would be tough.