Is it right to hate on those who do not want to ditch the humans in Avatar?

[Ketchum]

I mean we all know the deal, they want to go to Pandora to get the Unobtainium and it is earth's main energy resource.
Yes we, humans lead ourselves to the resource depletion back on earth and now going to invade a lush alien world. It's completely understandable that people will side with the Na'vi because its their home and the humans came in.

But not all of us sided with the na'vi not all of us wanted to do what Sully did. I mean does that mean that we intentionally want to always pick the bad guys cause they are the cool ones, or just to break off from everybody else. No, I mean me, I do agree that we would destroy our world with greed, and war but I am not willing to ditch humanity, people who are just trying to make a living, people with families even if our world is hit the overpopulated, fully industrial, polluted, resource depleted, Scorched earth. But they don't deserve to rot because of the mistakes that we made, and if there is a piece of hope to keep the U.S. economy or in fact all of earth's countries' economies stable, I am taking it.

So yes I am with the RDA SecOps.

[ScottWashburn]

For me it is not just the RDA's greed as its arrogance. They had been mining there for many years and aside from some skirmishing with the Na'vi there had never been any really serious trouble. So coexitistance IS possible. But year by year the RDA came to believe it could do anything it wanted and there never would be any trouble it couldn't handle. Pandora is a big planet and there must be dozens of other locations where rich unobtainium deposits could be found where there would be no conflict with the Na'vi at all. But the RDA decided that it would rather destroy the Omaticaya's home and kill a bunch of them (there was never any doubt that there would be some serious casualties despite Quaritch's statement about minimal casualties) rather than go to the extra trouble and expense of finding a non-conflicting location. The RDA wasn't fighting for Earth's people or its economy, it was fighting for a bigger profit margin and it was so arrogant as to believe that no one could stop them. THAT is what makes them the bad guys for me.

[Ketchum]

Well yea, of course if everybody wants a certain resource they are going to pay alot for it. I mean its logical, and when you have time ticking espiecally that it takes 5 years? was it to get to pandora to earth then you have alot of pressure.
I mean you and I know for a fact, that if earth was invaded by aliens, Col Quaritch and his men would fight against the invaders.
Col Quaritch would definitively fight for all the right reasons in Afghan or Iraq if he was here, I mean you have to understand his character has been through wars, and has alot more experience in the Marine Corps. than Sully.
I mean we never know what Quaritch is fighting for really except for that he likes it., I mean if he was there for the money I would assume he has been their for quite some time. and if Quaritch wasn't fighting for humanity what was the point of him saying "how does it feel to betray your own race" So he is and same with alot of the soldiers, are all war-torn and are put in a spot of either their is "you and your team and then their is them"
I mean I take Avatar as the U.S. Military in the indian wars. I never thought the Indians that resisted against were bad, and I never thought the U.S. Calvary were bad, I would help the U.S.
And this is a non-government corporation in the film, who is selling a resource to humans, shareholders, governments.
I mean you can't really blame the soldiers for being close minded you need to be that way to stay strong on your side, even if they are fighting for money. But if James Cameron really wanted to show the humans as like full on bad, he could of.
I mean here lets compare the MNU Mercenaries from District 9 to the RDA jarheads, and to tell you the truth the RDA jarheads, are no where close as worse as the MNU Mercenaries.
Cameron could of shown them as your brutal people, but honestly you only see them a couple of times, In the beginning, and in the end. And really only 2 soldiers spoke, and yet in total had only a small amount of lines

You check this out meels on wheels
Aw man that is just wrong
Your the man doc
Yea baby you ready to get some

the rest just carried on like :roger, firing missiles, contact, etc:

[Tsyal Makto]

In the Survival Guide it states that cloning of Earth's extinct species and the adoption of plants from Pandora could have been used to heal the Earth. The only reason they were mining unobtainium was because of the RDA's thuggish pull on the world economy and governments. It was, in effect, a de facto global corpo-fascist government. Sort of like the thuggish pull of modern oil companies and their influence of the military-industrial complex. There were other homegrown, mutually beneficial solutions, but unobtainium was a chance to "git sum" more money.

It was about profit, plain and simple, and in their bloody search for it they violated the sovereignty of an alien species over their own planet.

I know, I know...I'm a filthy pinko lib-rhul.

[Ahoragi]

I am a human and naturally I'd side with the humans on an alien invasion of some sort but in the Pandora scenario, I have ZERO desire to side with them and I can't fathom why anyone else would. They went about doing whatever they pleased on a planet that was not theirs. They killed living "people", plants, and animals with no remorse. This is not the kind of human behavior I would support and I can't agree with anyone who would support their side. There was always that alternative solution to getting what they needed.

If anyone has the chance to, watch Human Planet's Jungle episode. There's a need for wood and of course we always think of the corporations who just plow down the jungle with machinery and have no regard for the life that lives in there. BUT if you watch it, they show how you can get what you need and at the same time, respect and preserve the natural surroundings. They get the locals to use elephants to haul out large logs which keeps the jungle intact. No roads, no deforestation, no killing of flora or fauna. Look at what the RDA did when they dug that huge mine. Look at what they did to hometree.

Zero respect, zero remorse, zero support from me.

[Ketchum]

Well buddy not all of us are like that, not like all of you. I have no problem with that, I completely understand. But yea, I side with the humans when aliens invade are world. But when it comes to Avatar I am with the humans, because to tell you the truth we have done far more worse things than what they did in Avatar. And well after seeing all the screwed up **** my country the U.S. does and has done, I still love it. We live in a corporate world, and we can't stop it, its just thats how things are.
And to tell you the truth, wars have mainly always been about Land, resource, and money.
Now if someone has no respect towards nature, ok I don't hate them for it, I am not with nature either. Because one thing is for sure, trees, animals are not even compared to human lives.
But RDA bad? they are no where close to bad like Weyland Yutani, Skynet, Umbrella.
RDA just a resource company, and not screwing over humanity. I would happily help fight against Umbrella, Weyland Yutani, and Skynet.

[Tsyal Makto]

Actually, we could stop it if we tried. It's just that the we're all too jacked-up on cheap, foreign-made consumer **** to actually do anything about it. Plus, it would require working outside the system, and few people are ever willing to make that leap.

The original script called the the Na'vi being the miners.

Sound familiar? Hint: Read some Howard Zinn.

Pillaging is still pillaging by any other name (or time or race or planet). And when alternatives existed, the RDA doing to the Na'vi what they did, the invasion of their sovereign world, all in the name of mere profit...unforgivable.

[Scott]

"Captain Ahab must hunt his whale." I'm going to set aside RDA and its agenda and focus on the real motivator of hostilities on Pandora, Col. Miles Quaritch. Like the antagonist of Moby Dick, the Col. had a prideful heart and obsessive mind. He wanted a confrontation with the Na'vi and would do anything to get it, including sacrificing the men under his command. People from time to time come to this forum addressing loyalty to humanity as the original poster here did. Thing is, your not siding with humanity, because Quaritch dose not give a rats *** about anyone! His papa persona and charismatic soldier boy speeches were just another tool to get what he wants...Glory.

With a victory over the Na'vi the Col. could return to earth a hero. Hell, son, I might even run for President.

There was never a human side in the conflict. It was good verse evil.

[HufweMakto]

Actually, we could stop it if we tried. It's just that the we're all too jacked-up on cheap, foreign-made consumer **** to actually do anything about it. Plus, it would require working outside the system, and few people are ever willing to make that leap.

The original script called the the Na'vi being the miners.

Sound familiar? Hint: Read some Howard Zinn.

Pillaging is still pillaging by any other name (or time or race or planet). And when alternatives existed, the RDA doing to the Na'vi what they did, the invasion of their sovereign world, all in the name of mere profit...unforgivable.

Because of this, I'm probably going to check out Howard Zinn, any good books you can recommend, Tsyal?

We do have a large dependancy on technology and resources we cannot replenish naturally. I knew a teacher who once turned off all of the computers in a classroom to make a point about a time in which computers did not exist. In a little less than a few seconds the entire classroom erupted into a kind of chaos, as for most of those people were upset that they could not check up on their Facebook status or their e-mail. For me, it seems almost impossible but I lived without a computer and relied entirely on a typewriter for most of my life until the end of high school, even though everyone at my high school, in my age group had computers and word and photoshop, while I had to do with a typewriter, construction paper, and colored pencils. My family just could not afford one, up until my education demanded computer literacy and access to one so I could write out reports and papers. Now I have a degree which entitles me to digital illustration. I have an account on DA, I am looking towards to Trumblr. I look up articles on Wikipedia and search for images of animals I want to draw on Google. I look through books and cds on Amazon. I check out knitting supplies and works on Etsy. I read fanfic on FF.net. A little less than ten years ago, I could not have imagined myself doing this. I have slowly edged in the digital world, not neccesarily because it was there, but also because it was a nessecary. Now I read about kids who have to fork over money for a tablet computer because their school requires it. I cannot imagine myself in that situation, because when I was in high school, I could not simply afford such a luxury. By no means am I a Luddite, I use a computer, I love using photoshop, but I feel like as a society we have become too dependant on technology to give us some kind of meaning in life. That's why I like using traditional mediums, I took an entire week off to work with colored pencils and markers. I mean, I think people should reconsider that they could live life without much technology.

This can also be applied to Avatar with the RDA using unobtainium namely for grav-lift trains, and not much else; though there are a few people who seem to think unobtainium is some kind of mircle mineral which can solve anything; there is a laughable fafic in which it's used as a cure for some unknown disease. Yeah right, that's the equivilent to saying that swallowing a pill made of alluminum is good for your body. The thing is, it isn't. In fact mining it can cause you to have tremors and neurological problems, according to the guide. The sad truth of this matter is it's all in the name of profit and little else. There's just no real validity to liking a corporation that relies entirely on the profit of a mineral rather the salvation of a planet they could be helping, like bringing over some of the plants of Pandora to take away the toxins in the soil.

[Tsyal Makto]

"A Peoples History of the United States" is a good place to start. He talks quite extensively about the treatment of the Caribbean natives at the hands of Columbus.

[FoxGhost]

I've said it before: Just because you look like me does not make you my brother.Moral judgements based on external factors such as species are flimsy at best.In this case humanity was so far in the wrong to be beyond redemption.What we saw was what we have been seeing for a very long time: The rule of greed.They could have mined further away but instead they went to route of 'easy money'.Who cares if some blue monkeys homes and lives are lost in the process, right? With this attitude, humanity is a lost cause that is destined to destroy itself.

[Foxhound]

"Is it right to hate on those who do not want to ditch the humans in Avatar?"No it is not. IT IS OKAY do engage in reasonable conversations and debates. If people have different views and want to express them in a civilized way then by all means try to persuade me to root for the Na-vi. I support the RDA. But i will listen to your opinions as long as they remain reasonable.
In my opinion the situation was a mess with both sides messing up.

People who Hate and say things like. "RDA were scum they were owned by Eywa DIE **** ***** **** ******." When some one does that or "Hates" It makes me quit listening to what they and others who share their point of view have to say. So far this thread has remained fairly civil

With that being said i support the RDA. Why? I view it this way. The RDA leadership may have screwed things up but what of the basic soldiers and miners? Not all of them would have been motivated by money and if earth was in as bad a shape as claimed and unobtainium was saving lives. (If its worth that much they HAVE to be using it for more then trains. Its probably used in power plants, space travel, medical computers/cybernetics?, and lunar life support.) Then there should be a good number of soldiers who came not only for the money but also to try and help earth.

Also think about Sully's fist day when he got lost. Nytri was about to murder an unarmed lost person. Makes you wonder how many other lost soldiers/miners/downed airmen, etc were killed by the Na-vi before.
Yes the RDA was in the wrong for destroying Home tree. However it did not help that they cut off communications with the humans and the person who was supposed to negotiate waited till the last minute. (For example if the Government said they were going to build a super highway over your house but the people they sent to negotiate got distracted and forgot to tell you about the highway until an hour before the dozers arrive.
Quaritch's attack on the Tree of Souls was a smart tactical move and one to protect the men he was supposed to defend. (If someone moved several thousand troops right next to your boarders and you had Intel that they would soon attack what would you do?) The attack ONLY failed after Jake's men were slaughtered and Eywa had to pitch in and help.

Another thing is. The Na-vi were quick to jump to conclusions and were pretty dumb in some instances. For example when Jake Finally tells them about the dozers and them needing to leave, instead of asking Jake how and when they are supposed to arrive and taking some precautions (Like Getting Non-combatants away.) They Gather out front to execute Jake in front of the whole tribe. Lets not forget that this is after they killed a bunch of humans who were guarding the dozers who had mistakenly ran over a sacred tree and who's comrades and friends were pretty mad.

[Ahoragi]

The Na'vi were PISSED about what happened at the school when the RDA shot and killed the young ones. Anyone with a soul will spare children and women, but the RDA did not. Neytiri's sister was shot and killed right in front of her so how would you react to seeing one, who killed your sister, walking in YOUR forrest? You would get revenge. (and he wasn't unarmed, he had a sharpened stick and military knife) Yeah the young ones set fire to a bulldozer earlier but they were defending their land which was getting flattened.

I don't think they were gonna execute Jake and Grace. They captured em and tied em up, putting em on display, to show the incoming RDA that infiltrating their camp will result in capture.

The RDA didn't "mistakenly" run over the sacred trees. I believe they did that to trigger a response, as Grace explained, so they could fabricate the war and have an excuse to attack em.

Quaritch was dumb to attack. Yeah attacking terror with terror in a situation like that would seem smart but a SMART military officer would think this over before jumping the gun. He did not have the man-power for such an attack and used regular minors and plant operators as soldiers. He also underestimated the Na'vi and didn't want anything to do with believing in "Eywa", when she actually did exist. Whether they hunkered down to defend the area or went on an attack, they would've lost either way. The biggest mistake out of it all was going into the enemy's territory with inexperience and with much-needed equipment that was not functioning.

[Scott]

Foxhound, RDA had very little to do with the events leading upto the attack on Hometree and the subsequent attack on the Tree of Souls. That was all Quaritch. He knew Jake had zero chance of getting the Omiticaya to abandon their home, but he wanted Selfridge to believe Jake had a chance so that Selfridge would order the bulldozers to head for Homtree. He knew the dozers would incite an attack and then he would have his war.

[_Omaticaya_]

You can feel sorry for families and friends on Earth as much as you want, and get all Patriotic about U.S. ...But It's still the human's fault! You're missing the point! You can't just say: " Oh look, I've totally fuked up my family, my country, my planet, now I'ma go destroy another planet as long as I am ok!", Dammit! It's all about ME ME ME hey?! It's absolutely WRONG, the Na'vi respect themselves, others, and their planet, there's no way some idiots come and steal and destroy and kill for their needs. RDA SECOPS deserved to die. As Trudy said, they're not payed for that SH!T. All these Rda lovers are totally Immoral... So sad.

[Wanderlust]

Resource Detriment Agency

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

there is no way i could ever take the side of the rda/secops humans,in good conscience. they were a gun-for-hire outfit of mercs and miners,destroying and polluting a pristine distant planet for money and greed,and in the end,nothing but a bunch of murdering thugs who shot down women and children...women and children!!! they brought down a thousand ft. tall,stately tree with missles,defended by people with bows and arrows,murdering many innocent Na'vi in the process,forever ending any sympathies i may have entertained for the plight of humanity in the year 2154. the sheer carnage and devastation perpetrated by the barbaric corporate thugs of the rda/secops,left me sickened,saddened,and absolutely disgusted by humanity.

[Scott]

It is revolting, Jak. And those that participated in the attack are cold blooded murderers. But not all the humanity present at the Hometree attack deserves to be heaped into that pile of trash. Jake, Grace, and Trudy prove this.

[Corporal Carnage]

'murdering thugs who shot down women and children'
May I offer some input about women and children thing?
A woman or a child can still be a threat. A person with a weapon, or even without a weapon in the case of the Na'vi with thier enhanced speed and reflexes is a potential threat. End of discussion.
I don't care if it's a spear and I have a rifle. I don't care if it's a bow and arrow. It's a weapon, it's a threat and if it's pointed at me or raised in a threatening way, I will shoot you because you will kill me if I don't.
What your average RDA soldier will have seen is those bows and arrows and spears being used on his friends, he knows that those arrows have the power to punch through plate glass, and by extension armoured cordura and body armour grade ceramic.
Yes, the technology edge is unfair but to be honest, in war there's no such thing as 'fair'. "Fair" in war is when I bring all my people home, I don't care about what else.
Those miners were non-combatants, was it right to engage them with weapons rather than stop them to engage them in dialogue?

I would also say in the case of Hometree, the Na'Vi fired first.
When presented with humanity's power and might, they presented hostile intent and opened fire.
Fact that those weapons aren't powerful enough doesn't matter.

Yes, I might sound like a hardass but that's the way it goes.
That is how your average RDA grunt would see the situation.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

A woman or a child can still be a threat. A person with a weapon, or even without a weapon in the case of the Na'vi with thier enhanced speed and reflexes is a potential threat.

how are women and children living in their home,as in Hometree,a 'threat' to heavily-armed scorpion gunships hovering in the air,about a half mile away?! since the Na'vi women and children were not operating anti-aircraft guns or missle batteries,your statement is invalid due to no threat. how would you like it if a bunch of murdering,corporate-fascist thugs fired hundreds of missles into your home,AFTER both gassing you and setting fire to your home with incendiaries/napalm????


you rda/secops people are all the same.

[_Omaticaya_]

I see you Ja'k... Thank goodness there's you here Ja'k, it's always us 2 against the others :/ I won't even comment on what he said how i'd like to, just the fact he said that the 'Na'vi fired first', shows how ridiculous what he said is... So a gunship is in front of you, about 30 helis with missiles, and what you think, they came to say hi and bring the Na'vi some Coca-cola? wow... You talked about 'fair', well one thing is for sure, you got it wrong.

[Tsyal Makto]

^ Make that three. :nwink:

This is what I mean. God damn neocons. CC, I recommend you read both "A People's History of the United States" and "A People's History of the World," or listen to any lecture by Noam Chomsky. But then again, you probably don't want anything to do with those "pinko, lib-rhul, fascist, communist, nazi Kenyans."

[HufweMakto]

'murdering thugs who shot down women and children'
May I offer some input about women and children thing?
A woman or a child can still be a threat. A person with a weapon, or even without a weapon in the case of the Na'vi with thier enhanced speed and reflexes is a potential threat. End of discussion.
I don't care if it's a spear and I have a rifle. I don't care if it's a bow and arrow. It's a weapon, it's a threat and if it's pointed at me or raised in a threatening way, I will shoot you because you will kill me if I don't.
What your average RDA soldier will have seen is those bows and arrows and spears being used on his friends, he knows that those arrows have the power to punch through plate glass, and by extension armoured cordura and body armour grade ceramic.
Yes, the technology edge is unfair but to be honest, in war there's no such thing as 'fair'. "Fair" in war is when I bring all my people home, I don't care about what else.
Those miners were non-combatants, was it right to engage them with weapons rather than stop them to engage them in dialogue?

I would also say in the case of Hometree, the Na'Vi fired first.
When presented with humanity's power and might, they presented hostile intent and opened fire.
Fact that those weapons aren't powerful enough doesn't matter.

Yes, I might sound like a hardass but that's the way it goes.
That is how your average RDA grunt would see the situation.

Liberation theology has a line on that whole "spear vs gun" thing. There is a teaching that restricts fighting if the sides are unevenly matched, that no war should be waged on those who are not able to fight back or those who can not fight against guns. Like what Trudy says, "we're going up against gunships with bows and arrows." It's rather sobering to think of the uneven match between these. It had to be Eywa that had to end the battle, or the Na'vi and Pandora would've been gone.

Anywho, those Na'vi women and children as I remember did not have weapons, they were hiding in Hometree and being gased at that. They were running for their lives into the forest when the gas canisters were being fired as well as the missles. In the end, a tree that had stood probably since civilization's rise was destroyed and many Na'vi men, women and children were killed utterly and for what? A rock. A friggin' rock.

[Corporal Carnage]

'You 'rda/secops people are all the same'
'But then again, you probably don't want anything to do with those "pinko, lib-rhul, fascist, communist, nazi Kenyans.'
'God damn neocons'

Just a polite word.
Don't judge me, and I won't judge you. You know nothing about me and I know nothing about you. I am allowed to have an alternative opinion. I respect your opinion, I think it's wrong but I respect it nonetheless. I do not sling personal insults at you or make assumptions about your political leanings so I request the same courtesy. I'm not going to listen to or read Noam Chomsky because he's said quite a few things that I fundamentally disagree with, notably his comments about the Holocaust, however I can understand his perspective and why he has such beef with Germany as a whole.

Anyway, that's neither here nor there.
My point is this. The demonstration of overwhelming force does not constitute use of said force. An example of this would be what is called a 'show of force' in the military, where a plane flies very low over a village in a demonstration of power to encourage those who wish to fight that it is a bad idea to continue to resist, the unspoken implication being that the next pass will bring the bombs. Fact remains, the Na'Vi fired first, they engaged and so were destroyed. I disagree with the use of chemical weapons, particularly against a civilian population and I did not agree with the use of force against that group of civilians. I would however argue that the Na'vi were quite willing to shoot non-combatants, they wouldn't have known that the vehicles were un-manned and to put it frankly, a company like the RDA does not hire armies for fun, one would assume that such armies are expensive, and that's resources that could be used for other things.

"No war should be waged on those who cannot fight back"
Why the hell not?
A war waged on people who cannot fight back is the easiest to win.
If they are non-combatant then I agree, one should not deploy force against civilian populations, it's ethically wrong (Usually) and if nothing else it's a waste of a perfectly good bullet.
But if they initiate hostilities, then why the hell shouldn't we fight them?

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

cc...everything you say is invalidated by your assertion that the Na'vi fired first. have you even seen this film?? the skypeople fired first,when the rda/secops scumbags slaughtered the children in Grace's school,including Neytiri's sister,Sylwanin. from those needless murders,this war was inevitable,and no amount of goodwill posturing by the skypeople could ever change that,or was there even any doubt as to whether the Omaticayans would move from their ancestral home at the whim of an invading species of alien, who had not the slightest iota of respect for the land of already present inhabitants.

no further questions,your honor.

[Corporal Carnage]

I saw the version that didn't feature the school scene. I did later see the version with the school scene and you missed my whole 'Shooting civilians is wrong' statement. Maybe I should put it in big red letters, I do not agree with everything the RDA did. I can agree with quite a few of the things they did, and I have probably a lot more sympathy than most, however I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE KILLING OF CIVILIANS.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

well,just so we're clear,cc,i took the side of the Na'vi almost from the beginning...as the Valkyrie shuttle flies over the vast open strip-mining pit,the huge earth-moving machines,the huge dump trucks hauling away the ore...i was disgusted,nauseated that the first somewhat-habitable planet we come to,Pandora,a veritable Paradise,Garden of Eden,with a flourishing native civilization,all we can do is dig big holes in it,pollute it,kill it's native species,both animal and hunanoid-type,that's all we are???!!! sad,very sad only.



yeah,i intensely hate the rda/secops/skypeople for reducing humanity to a bunch of murdering thugs toeing the line for the almighty money. end of story.

[Tsyal Makto]

Sorry, it just seemed like you were going to be one of...those when you first came here. Most of the RDA supporters so far have been the far-right, neocon, rifle-barrel diplomat, corporatists who couldn't give less of a damn about the environment or indigenous populations. Glad to see it might not be so this time.

The RDA is the perfect example of the Iron Triangle of the military-industrial complex run amok. The RDA is the largest corporation in the world - dare I say the de facto government of the world. According to the Survival Guide and various other canonicals (script, P880, etc), unobtainium holds little value in the actual survival of the Earth, it's artifically valued due to the economy that the RDA created for itself. Cloning technology and Pandoran flora and fauna proved very able in cleaning up the Earth and the beginning rebuilding the ecosystem. However, those didn't hold much value to the RDA (the rock is a bigger cash cow, plus, when the Earth is rebuilt, the RDA would be of little value then), and thus was denegrated. The world was living on a proprietary economy. The Earth of 2154 is a Corpo-Fascist state beyond the nightmares of both Orwell and Bradbury. There's the illusion of government oversight over them, but it's all just that...an illusion.

I second Hufwe on Liberation Theology. In this age of false equivalences, we forget that there is a difference between bows and arrows and a 5.56mm AP bullet. That used to matter, when people thought critically (Bradbury's world becomes that much more real).

Though my offer still stands, read some Howard Zinn.

BTW, CC, please stop putting text in black. It's a bitch to try to read.

[Sanjwale]

little bit offtopic, but am I the only one who thinks all this kind of topic are just b*llsh1t?

[tm20]

yeah it is a pointless thread isn't it? these sort of debate topics never go anywhere, they just keep looping. best thing to do is to just walk away

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[Ja'k Dawsiin]

nice gif,tm20,and you know i'm one to appreciate the fine art of gifs:)


i'm gonna party on Pandora like it's 2199!


28089

[_Omaticaya_]

*agrees with Sanjwale* then *follows Tm20*

[Corporal Carnage]

little bit offtopic, but am I the only one who thinks all this kind of topic are just b*llsh1t?

Agreed.
I might be the one with the most passionate arguments, but they still mean nothing really
at the end of the day, we can all agree that Avatar is a cracking film, whether we want to just leave it at that or take it a few steps further is your choice.

[Tsyal Makto]

To be fair, it is relevant to the global political climate. For example, the Belo Monte dam in South America which threatens the people of the Xingu river. In fact, that was one of James Cameron's main points of inspiration.

[Wanderlust]

im here

here, have a silicon atom

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[Ja'k Dawsiin]

im here

here, have a silicon atom

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Explorer,you have GIF'd yourself,lol...definitely worth the price of admission:) you have put a smile on my face,amidst the foul stench of the decaying skypeople forum. bravo!

[Wanderlust]

Yip! i'm not a skyperson, i'm a spaceperson!

Wholly different!

Come with me on an adventure like no other!

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[Ja'k Dawsiin]

^ Explorer,would that ship be able to withstand the stresses of extended wormhole travel,say on a trip to a certain planet in the Alpha Centauri A System? jw :)

[Wanderlust]

I'm afraid that its central structure may not be able to survive certain gravitational forces.

We should take these bad boys.

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