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Slough Of Despair
09-26-2010, 02:23 PM
I was kinda thinking. If Eywa is really as intelligent as postulated - IQ multiple times that of Einstein or anyone else who's ever lived.

When the first avatars connected their queues to Pandoran flora or fauna, that would give them a link to Eywa, even if they didn't know it. If they linked with the flora (for example at the tree of voices or tree of souls) it would give them a direct line into Eywa, but even if they linked with an animal or with another Na'vi who later linked with Eywa, and then linked with the avatar again after that, there'd be some communication there by proxy, in batch, as it were.

What I'm thinking here is, does that door swing both ways? It seems very likely that it could. If an avatar connects with Eywa, that gives Eywa a back door straight into their human brains. Maybe if they knew the reality of Eywa they could put some kind of "firewall" into the link system between an avatar and its driver, to try and keep Eywa out of their human brains, but they don't know the reality of Eywa, so it's moot.

If Eywa is as mind boggingly intelligent as is hinted, it's possible she/it could take a look in and a scoot round an avatar driver's human brain without them even realising. She coud also while doing that get a look at their scientific knowledge, historical knowledge and life history. It's possible even as intelligent as Eywa is that she may not have had a good understanding of cosmology and astrophysics, but after examining an avatar driver's mind she would have acquired this knowledge. She'd know what and where earth was, and know the sorry state it was in and how it got that way.

She might also begin to formulate a plan to deal with the prospect of the same thing being done to Pandora as was done to earth.

Being so intelligent, she might be able to literally insert "trojan" thoughts, memories or impulses into the subconcious of the avatar driver's minds, without them realising.

For example, let's say one of the scientists had an identical twin brother who was a marine and would be more useful in getting the Na'vi set up to fight RDA... Eywa, knowing from examining the minds of the humans she had access to, how the company would react if anything were to happen to him, might try to do something to that end. Like planting, say, a subconcious impulse to make him do something stupid the next time he was on earth, like walking into a ghetto or trailer park flaunting his money in front of the local street thugs. The rest is history...

Just a stream of thoughts that came to me. It might be nothing or I might be extrapolating Eywa too far, but there it is.

Xenolius
09-26-2010, 02:36 PM
Did a more advanced being cause the murder of a human 4.37 million light years away with the temporal foresight to effectively remove free will and choice from every being involved for the next 6 years so all goes according to her plan?

No.

ScottWashburn
09-26-2010, 02:40 PM
Well, the problem in the case of Tom Sully is that he's never been to Pandora so there's no way Eywa could plant any thoughts into him.

Even so, it's an interesting idea you have. I've written a few fan fics examining the nature of Eywa and come to a couple of conclusions. One is that Eywa is NOT a goddess in the same way as humans consider gods. There's nothing supernatural about her. She's a natural phenomena of the Pandoran eco-system. Another is that if is Eywa is some sort of supercomputer that uses the Pandoran flora and fauna as the cirsuits in the computer than she would be a really SLOW computer. In present day computers the primary factor in how fast they can run is the physical distance between circuits. The speed of light (electricity) is still frightfully slow for a computer and the farther apart the circuits the slower the processor speed. In a human computer the distances are in nanometers. Eywa's circuits are meters or even kilometers apart. She's gonna be real slow :) In fact, I was speculating that the reason that Eywa didn't intervene in the battle until so many Na'vi had been killed was because it took her that long to process all the information and issue orders to the animals to attack.

If you're interested in a more detailed take on this check out: The Legacy Chapter 1, an Avatar fanfic - FanFiction.Net (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6244495/1/The_Legacy)

Scott
09-26-2010, 04:58 PM
I think Eywa is a very intelligent(she understood Jake's warning and acted upon it) and very old being (older then the first songs sung by the Na'vi). Did she kill Tom, I don't know. But I do know she knew Jake and saved him from Neytiri's arrow and a little later on convinced Neytiri to let Jake follow her to Hometree. I believe any sentient creature will ponder creation and what is out there in the stars. I believe a creature with the vast resources of an entire planet at her disposal (think about all the energy Pandora possesses) can "see" things farther and with greater clarity then any man made telescope. I believe Eywa was watching Earth long before man knew of Pandora. Hell she could have watched the rise and fall of the dinosaurs for all we know. Hell she could have used the life she saw on earth as inspiration for the life she shaped on Pandora. Na'vi do look alot like humans and Ikran look like dinosaurs.

SpacePhoenix
09-26-2010, 07:20 PM
She could have set it up possibly via Grace, as if Grace linked with Eywa, Eywa could have looked through Grace's mind, discovered that she was the head of the avatar program and perhaps somehow influenced Grace's actions

CiaphasCain
09-27-2010, 12:13 AM
If it did, then it is much more dangerous than simply a benevolent, provable 'goddess' that the cheery primitive natives worship. As in, if it could do that, I doubt most governments would have any qualms with doing everything in their power to kill it - with nukes as a 'bite the bullet' last resort that we wouldn't want to use for the Na'vi's (who, if Eywa could pull this off, are likely victim to some sort of theft of free will) sake.

Xenolius
09-27-2010, 01:39 AM
Eywa can be attributed with 5 actions:

1) Stopped Neytiri from killing Jake
2) Convinced Neytiri to take Jake to Hometree
3) Saved Grace's mind/soul
4) Sent Pandora's wildlife to save the Na'vi and Tree of Souls
5) Transferred Jake permanently into the Avatar

Anything beyond that is speculation and/or crossing Eywa over into the religious ideal of what a god/goddess is.

ScottWashburn
09-27-2010, 09:37 AM
I agree with Xenolius. I might add that his Point #3 is just speculation as well. We don't KNOW what happened to Grace. The statement of a dying woman that she's "with her" has to be taken with a large grain of salt :)

Ashen Key
09-27-2010, 04:57 PM
I agree with Xenolius. I might add that his Point #3 is just speculation as well. We don't KNOW what happened to Grace. The statement of a dying woman that she's "with her" has to be taken with a large grain of salt :)

It's probably closer to true, though - even though Grace was delirious by blood-loss by that point, the Tree of Voices would suggest that the Na'vi's minds ARE 'uploaded' into Eywa. Given Grace was hooked up at that point, it makes sense that she was uploaded, too.

Wanderlust
09-27-2010, 06:06 PM
If Eywa Was truly smart it would have a space system/program. At least for defensive measures anyway.

NAvi_warrior64
09-27-2010, 06:15 PM
Eywa = God

Scott
09-27-2010, 09:16 PM
Eywa = God

Its unlikely in my opinion that Eywa created the universe and all life within it. As much as I like the premise of her role in Avatar as expressed by the Na'vi as a goddess, she strikes me more as an ancient and powerful Yoda like being-except that her body isn't a little green man but an entire planet. I am not saying she is not worthy of the title of goddess based on her merits-her commitment to life and her love for the Na'vi. But if she had created the universe she would have required no warning from Jake to understand the magnitude of the threat Quartich and human expansionism represented.