I've got and idea...

[Alan]

Kaltxi niwotx,

Having read the post http://www.avatar-forums.com/general-avatar-forum/12048-avatar-movie-symbolises-humans-greed-natural-resource.html#post290596 and others like it regarding how we are damaging our planet I had a little idea!

On this forum we talk a-plenty about the ‘want and destruction’ humans are doing to this planet and how the film Avatar has opened people’s eyes. There various posts about individuals trying to change their ways. However, there is not a lot of discussion about how we can help others to change and help them ‘see’.

So here’s my wacky idea: How about we create our own little film about the our home planet, the damage we are doing to it, why it is important to change our ways and what people can do in there every day lives to make a difference.

How could we do it? Well my thought is that we each say our own little bit to camera (could even be a cell/mobile phone). It could then be uploaded to the net where it could be downloaded and edited together to make a film from all of us to show anybody else.

I would be more than happy to pull it together into a video that could then be uploaded to sites like You Tube etc. We could then encourage people to view it and hey, we might just make a small difference to helping people change their ways. It would be our collective contribution to try and do something rather than just talk about it. I would also do some DVD copies to be sent to the contributors.

It would be quite an achievement for the community here to have created something together without actually needing to meet face to face. It would also show what a group of people from all over the world and all walks of life, who didn’t even know each other five months ago, can achieve. 'Outstanding'' even!

So what do people think? Would anyone be interested in this experiment in international film making to try and make a difference? I’d love to hear peoples thoughts. Even if they think I'm a skxawng! :nsmile:

Alan

[electrosphere11]

I think it would be a great project to try out.

[madman]

Kaltxi niwotx,

Having read the post http://www.avatar-forums.com/general-avatar-forum/12048-avatar-movie-symbolises-humans-greed-natural-resource.html#post290596 and others like it regarding how we are damaging our planet I had a little idea!

On this forum we talk a-plenty about the ‘want and destruction’ humans are doing to this planet and how the film Avatar has opened people’s eyes. There various posts about individuals trying to change their ways. However, there is not a lot of discussion about how we can help others to change and help them ‘see’.

So here’s my wacky idea: How about we create our own little film about the our home planet, the damage we are doing to it, why it is important to change our ways and what people can do in there every day lives to make a difference.

How could we do it? Well my thought is that we each say our own little bit to camera (could even be a cell/mobile phone). It could then be uploaded to the net where it could be downloaded and edited together to make a film from all of us to show anybody else.

I would be more than happy to pull it together into a video that could then be uploaded to sites like You Tube etc. We could then encourage people to view it and hey, we might just make a small difference to helping people change their ways. It would be our collective contribution to try and do something rather than just talk about it. I would also do some DVD copies to be sent to the contributors.

It would be quite an achievement for the community here to have created something together without actually needing to meet face to face. It would also show what a group of people from all over the world and all walks of life, who didn’t even know each other five months ago, can achieve. 'Outstanding'' even!

So what do people think? Would anyone be interested in this experiment in international film making to try and make a difference? I’d love to hear peoples thoughts. Even if they think I'm a skxawng! :nsmile:

Alan

Alan, I love this idea. I would most certainly contribute! I am not much of an editor, but I would contribute a video to the cause! We could also get to meet each other in a way :)

This thread will be watched closely by me

[Tìrol]

I have pledged my support for aiding in the production. Anyone interested perhaps find others that might be interested.

[madman]

Already have a couple ideas to add. I personally have noticed that my jogging path near my home has a good deal of litter. I'm planning on taking a few trash bags out there and cleaning it up. We could all video some beautiful areas that are damaged by humans and show that we can make a difference with before/after shots... ionno just an idea.

[electrosphere11]

I'd be willing to contribute footage

[Tìrol]

I do not have a synth to work on this much, but I am already working on some concepts for the score. Titled: Century Technology. It is going to implement ambiance such as clock sounds along with the music as percussion.

[Jake's Mango]

I'm living just a few feet away from the forest, so I could make some real nice shots of natural forest beside the ways, I would be very happy to contribute to this movie. :nlol:
But I have to admit, mango trees don't grow here in Germany :ntongue:

[Keiraak]

Hell lets do it

[Unil Makto]

That sounds awesome count me in... I'm terrible with cameras, but if you need any code tinkering (say an interactive feature or something) I'm your guy.

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

What editing software do you use? :ntongue:

And yes, sounds like a cool idea, but just talking to the camera seems a bit dry. Remember, we're trying to convert skeptics, so-to-speak. It needs to be as captivating as possible or you'll loose your audience.

[madman]

What editing software do you use? :ntongue:

And yes, sounds like a cool idea, but just talking to the camera seems a bit dry. Remember, we're trying to convert skeptics, so-to-speak. It needs to be as captivating as possible or you'll loose your audience.

This is why we make these recordings in the outdoors. Kind of back to my idea of showing before and after shots of areas that WE cleaned up.

[Unil Makto]

What editing software do you use? :ntongue:

And yes, sounds like a cool idea, but just talking to the camera seems a bit dry. Remember, we're trying to convert skeptics, so-to-speak. It needs to be as captivating as possible or you'll loose your audience.

I agree with you, I was thinking more along the lines of something like an interactive story, i.e. let the user make the decisions and then show the consequences of his/her actions. That should get people to actively participate and hopefully should inspire...

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

This is why we make these recordings in the outdoors. Kind of back to my idea of showing before and after shots of areas that WE cleaned up.

Don't take offense to this, but before/after pictures seems boring. You should think about making a documentary about how the forest is sooo beautiful and all the cool stuff, then transition into how humans have disturbed it and are destroying it. Then go into how we can fix it. Think of it sorta as a Planet Earth episode. That's just my idea.

Here's Planet Pandora (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AIvAKW-Ji4) (not earth, but this is similar to planet earth. i couldn't find a good pe episode on youtube)

Also, what editing software do you plan on using?

[Tìrol]

I like the idea with the opinions and quick clips better, if done correctly it would be very interesting. We could integrate it with other footage as well.

[Na'vi_supporter]

Wow, a grea idea. I am very busy but I would like to contribute as much as my free time allows :)

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Don't take offense to this, but before/after pictures seems boring. You should think about making a documentary about how the forest is sooo beautiful and all the cool stuff, then transition into how humans have disturbed it and are destroying it. Then go into how we can fix it. Think of it sorta as a Planet Earth episode. That's just my idea.

Here's Planet Pandora (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AIvAKW-Ji4) (not earth, but this is similar to planet earth. i couldn't find a good pe episode on youtube)

Also, what editing software do you plan on using?

I took a video design class once, and it's extremely hard to entertain high school students. Considering our primary target audience is the future world leaders, we need to have something that will draw teenagers in and try to make them See. This is going to be one of the biggest challenges.

Remember, what we agree may be good or awesome, is most likely a piece of crap to someone who does not See. This is what we're changing.

EDIT: It also needs to be presentable. My school has a studio and they do morning video announcements. This is sent over the network to all projectors. Now stop and think a moment: If your school could do the same thing, is it good enough to put your name on it and have the entire student body see? I had trouble letting my video teacher play some of my videos in front of my small class because I was afraid of the riddicule I'd get from other highschool students.

[Sempu]

I like it. Let's just do it. I have nice forest around my house (posted pix in another thread) and can contribute some video. I am also a good writer and can edit narration.

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

I like it. Let's just do it. I have nice forest around my house (posted pix in another thread) and can contribute some video. I am also a good writer and can edit narration.

I feel like a troll now, but if by any magical chance I can get ahold of my church's HD camera, I can drive out a few miles to some nice looking forest. :nsmile:

[Marley]

I'd like to contribute, I have a decent camcorder and digital camera, and I'm good at editing videos.

The problem is, I'm not near many lush places, so I could probably only contribute by other people sending me the videos and me editing them or something.. :(

[Unil Makto]

I really don't want to sound managerial or patronizing being the new guy and all, but if we end up doing this (which I hope we will) and want to do a good job (very good points about the potential audience) we should have a very detailed plan, I haven't been involved in movie development but I have taken part in software development projects, so I'm thinking that the first thing we should do is get a good idea of the skill set, the dev. resources and a firm commitment of all who wish to participate. Based on this we can then go on a flat out brainstorm session :D What do you think?

[electrosphere11]

I got lots of trees where I live, there's a forest just a few meters from my house.

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[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

I really don't want to sound managerial or patronizing being the new guy and all, but if we end up doing this (which I hope we will) and want to do a good job (very good points about the potential audience) we should have a very detailed plan, I haven't been involved in movie development but I have taken part in software development projects, so I'm thinking that the first thing we should do is get a good idea of the skill set, the dev. resources and a firm commitment of all who wish to participate. Based on this we can then go on a flat out brainstorm session :D What do you think?

Video conference? At least skype or teamspeak, because we'll never get this done in a timely manner if we keep typing...

[madman]

since it was Alan's initial idea should he be the coordinator or would he like to give that duty to someone else?

[Theorist]

count me in too. I could contribute footage of a trashed river around where I live.

[Unil Makto]

Kaltxì, tawtute_tsamsiyu I'm guessing Skype (or iChat) would do. My headsets are currently all dead though... but it will still be faster.

Edit
@madman If you were referring to my post- yes by all means, I was just trying to be helpful.

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Kaltxì, tawtute_tsamsiyu I'm guessing Skype (or iChat) would do. My headsets are currently all dead though... but it will still be faster.

Edit
@madman If you were referring to my post- yes by all means, I was just trying to be helpful.

Kaltxì ne nga nìhawng. Fyape nga?

No iChat. It should be a cross-platform program so all members interested can participate. It also needs to have chat available for those members who do not have a webcam and/or headset.

[Tìrol]

I would nominate Alan as benevolent dictator since this whole party was his idea. :)

I do not want to be "in" the film, but I am a novice composer and I have the full might of open source software at my hands. Tools such as Blender, Gimp, Inkscape, Open Office, Cinelerra.. etc..

As for coordinating this, I recommend we get our own IRC channel on freenode or similar. It is easy to set up and no one has to register.

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

I, for one, think we should use professional tools like Photoshop CS3/4/5, Sony Vegas, Sound Forge etc...

[Tìrol]

I will not agree if such tools are pirated software, but that is not really an issue at the moment anyway.

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

I will not agree if such tools are pirated software, but that is not really an issue at the moment anyway.

It's like you know I'm a pirate... But srsly, who has the money to pay for $1000 video or photo editing software? I know I don't, at least not after buying all that Avatar stuff... :ntongue:

[Tìrol]

I am not being rude. It is just that such a project should be undertaken legally and with careful dedication. I am strongly against software piracy, but I do not think ill of anyone who does. As I said it is not an issue.

Also, indeed, who does? Not I, thus I use the best professional tools the open source community has to offer. Many of those, especially blender, are quite up to the task.

[Unil Makto]

Kaltxì ne nga nìhawng. Fyape nga?

Sorry for the off-topic, didn't quite get that. Still taking baby steps here...

[electrosphere11]

I'm pretty sure the last part means "how are you?"

[Alan]

Wow! I'm blow away by you all. This is great! At the same time I'm soiling myself....ok probably too much information there.

I have been having some thoughts on this...

Like all films there would have to be a beginning, middle and end. My initial thoughts are that there would be a few set words at the beginning and end to set the mood. The idea would be that these words would be spoken be each contributor, then edited together so there is a line is spoken by a different person.

The main bulk of the film would be the contributors covering the issues from there perspective, what damage was being done in their own land, what the consequences might be if nothing was done and how the everyday person can make a difference, e.g from low energy lightbulbs through to using the car less and so on.

It could then end with a challenge to the viewer to make a difference. My idea for the credits would be the contributors faces scrolling up and as they do they would say their name and what country they were from.

I have some initial words for an outline script:
BEGINNING
"Earth. A biosphere.
A complex, subtley balanced life support system.
Slowing being suffocated by 6.9 billion humans.
Who have exploited its hidden resources.
Without thought to the damage they are doing, until recently.
But time is running out before damage threatens our everyday lives.
For some it is already happening.
We need to take responsibility for our actions."

(Examples of this: cars polluting the air, land fill sites, pollutions from industry, lights left on at night in empty rooms, electrical appliances being left on stand by etc, etc.)

"This world is filled with such beauty. It’s wealth in not in money, or possessions or in the ground. It is all around us. In the landscape...
We cannot continue to damage our home as we will only end up damaging ourselves.
Change need not be grand justures. Small changes in our everyday lives can lead to big differences on a wider scale.
What can you do in your every day lives?

(This next piece would be where the contibuters could film themsleves showing the actions they are taking to make a difference. Examples: turn tapes off when cleaning your teeth, don’t leave electrical appliances on standby – turn them off, re-cycle your waste, buy locally grown food, grow your own etc..or whatever people come up with)

Those over say 25 would narrate word along the lines of:
"As the generation who are the current custodians of our home planet, we have a responsibility to look after our home in a sustainable way so that we can hand it over in to the next generation in a better state than when we received it."

Those under say 25 would narrate words along the lines of:
"As the next generation to inherit the earth we need to learn from the mistakes by those before, but please don’t leave us with a mess that is of your own making."

It would then end something like:
"Earth. A biosphere.
A complex, subtley balanced life support system
It is our only home. Lets protect it, together."

Well, that my initial thoughts.

Unil Matko is right, we do need some co-ordination here. I'm quite willing to take the lead and also edit it together. I think the thing we need to get sorted first is a script of some kind that everyone is (hopefully) happy with. As I say, it needs only to be for the front and back end and maybe fill in bits. The rest of the content can be however what people want to do it. Although I think we will need to find out what everyone is proposing to do first and then a bit of direction can be given. For instance, speaking to camera whilst walking through a forest constrasted with walking through a city centre and so on.

I think the aim might be for a 10 minute vid for the internet, but different version can be easily made. It will find its own way. As for timescales doing it, well it's not going to be done overnight, it may take a month or so from beginning to end.

Communication. That's something that needs a bit of thought. I must admit I'm not completely up on the video conferencing thing - Although I do have a webcam. One problem might be time zones. Another possibility would be to set up a group on this forum when it can be discussed, planned etc off line from the forum.

Well many thanks everyone for your enthusiam, ideas and willingness to take part. You've all taken me a bit by surprise. It would be a wonderful experience for all of us and we would be trying to make a difference.

Oel ngati kameie,

Alan
P.S. Sorry for the long post.

[Alan]

I, for one, think we should use professional tools like Photoshop CS3/4/5, Sony Vegas, Sound Forge etc...

Ah, I'm ok then I have the 64bit version of Sony Vegas 9.0e and Sound Forge 10.

This evening I've also been doing some editing trials downloading from You tube and also mixing PAL and NTSC video formats - it all seem to work fine.

I think the picture quality, although important, is not essencial. I fact if someone just used a mobile phone to say their bit, I think it would add that personal touch. Sort of saying 'in my everyday life I'm thinking about the environment'.

The other bit of softeware I have is Cinema 4D, which is a computer animation software. I've already created planet Earth. In fact, look at my pictogram. I have an animation sequence done too.

Alan

[Alan]

I will not agree if such tools are pirated software, but that is not really an issue at the moment anyway.

No worries, there Tirol. I'm fully paid up with the software. One thing we will need to be careful of is making sure we do not use copyright material - so no AVATAR clips!

Although I'm in the Institue of Amateur Cinematographers, which does give me a copyright licence. It only covers me for UK music, which is why I'm most grateful to you for being willing to compose the music.

Alan

[Alan]

It's like you know I'm a pirate... But srsly, who has the money to pay for $1000 video or photo editing software? I know I don't, at least not after buying all that Avatar stuff... :ntongue:

Errr,...ok I have...well...I saved my pennies and got them some time ago and I'm now on the upgrade path which is sort of cheaper.

Alan

[Sempu]

Great script. Have at it. Don't wait for "everyone" to be happy, that almost never happens.

[madman]

Great script. Have at it. Don't wait for "everyone" to be happy, that almost never happens.

indeed. Let's not make this into something where people can't agree on what this film is about. We don't want people getting into arguments over this. Alan's idea. His production.

[Mother of the Forest]

Dude, I'll totally help! I can work on some footage and I can edit if any needs to be done.

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Sorry for the off-topic, didn't quite get that. Still taking baby steps here...

I forgot what I typed. Hmm...

I think it was "Hello to you too. Are you well?"

Yea, yeah, that makes sense lol. :nsmile:

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Wow! I'm blow away by you all. This is great! At the same time I'm soiling myself....ok probably too much information there.

I have been having some thoughts on this...

Like all films there would have to be a beginning, middle and end. My initial thoughts are that there would be a few set words at the beginning and end to set the mood. The idea would be that these words would be spoken be each contributor, then edited together so there is a line is spoken by a different person.

I think we should have someone who's voice is similar to Grace's (cause it's grace narrating planet pandora)


The main bulk of the film would be the contributors covering the issues from there perspective, what damage was being done in their own land, what the consequences might be if nothing was done and how the everyday person can make a difference, e.g from low energy lightbulbs through to using the car less and so on.

It could then end with a challenge to the viewer to make a difference. My idea for the credits would be the contributors faces scrolling up and as they do they would say their name and what country they were from.

I have some initial words for an outline script:
BEGINNING
"Earth. A biosphere.

It has a biosphere. It's not a biosphere.


A complex, subtley balanced life support system.
Slowing being suffocated by 6.9 billion humans.
Who have exploited its hidden resources.
Without thought to the damage they are doing, until recently.
But time is running out before damage threatens our everyday lives.
For some it is already happening.
We need to take responsibility for our actions."

(Examples of this: cars polluting the air, land fill sites, pollutions from industry, lights left on at night in empty rooms, electrical appliances being left on stand by etc, etc.)

Nice, nice...


"This world is filled with such beauty. It’s wealth in not in money, or possessions or in the ground. It is all around us. In the landscape...
We cannot continue to damage our home as we will only end up damaging ourselves.
Change need not be grand justures. Small changes in our everyday lives can lead to big differences on a wider scale.
What can you do in your every day lives?

(This next piece would be where the contibuters could film themsleves showing the actions they are taking to make a difference. Examples: turn tapes off when cleaning your teeth, don’t leave electrical appliances on standby – turn them off, re-cycle your waste, buy locally grown food, grow your own etc..or whatever people come up with)

Those over say 25 would narrate word along the lines of:
"As the generation who are the current custodians of our home planet, we have a responsibility to look after our home in a sustainable way so that we can hand it over in to the next generation in a better state than when we received it."

Those under say 25 would narrate words along the lines of:
"As the next generation to inherit the earth we need to learn from the mistakes by those before, but please don’t leave us with a mess that is of your own making."

It would then end something like:
"Earth. A biosphere.
A complex, subtley balanced life support system
It is our only home. Lets protect it, together."

Lol, again, not a biosphere bud. It has one.


Well, that my initial thoughts.

Unil Matko is right, we do need some co-ordination here. I'm quite willing to take the lead and also edit it together. I think the thing we need to get sorted first is a script of some kind that everyone is (hopefully) happy with. As I say, it needs only to be for the front and back end and maybe fill in bits. The rest of the content can be however what people want to do it. Although I think we will need to find out what everyone is proposing to do first and then a bit of direction can be given. For instance, speaking to camera whilst walking through a forest constrasted with walking through a city centre and so on.

I think the aim might be for a 10 minute vid for the internet, but different version can be easily made. It will find its own way. As for timescales doing it, well it's not going to be done overnight, it may take a month or so from beginning to end.

Communication. That's something that needs a bit of thought. I must admit I'm not completely up on the video conferencing thing - Although I do have a webcam. One problem might be time zones. Another possibility would be to set up a group on this forum when it can be discussed, planned etc off line from the forum.

Well many thanks everyone for your enthusiam, ideas and willingness to take part. You've all taken me a bit by surprise. It would be a wonderful experience for all of us and we would be trying to make a difference.

Oel ngati kameie,

Alan
P.S. Sorry for the long post.

I would say it needs work. Lots of it. I'm NOT saying this is bad, but one thing you learn in multimedia class is that it can ALWAYS be better. :nsmile:

Good job, bud.

[Tìrol]

We can nitpick later, I thought that was fantastic. I will try to be quick with some conceptual stuff. The writing is less of an issue for me as recording. I will not have a way for a while to make it sound great. However, I will look into it.

[This one goes to eleven]

I think in general this is a great idea, and I thank Alan for initiating and agreeing to spearhead it. I would like to be involved, but I have no skills in this area whatsoever. So, the most I could serve as would be a general contributor, and even that would probably be a generous term. I don't care about the details or the nitpicky stuff; I support the overall effort. Whatever I can do as a contributor I will gladly give my best. I, too, intend to monitor this thread with interest, to see where things go.

[Alan]

I took a video design class once, and it's extremely hard to entertain high school students. Considering our primary target audience is the future world leaders, we need to have something that will draw teenagers in and try to make them See. This is going to be one of the biggest challenges.

Remember, what we agree may be good or awesome, is most likely a piece of crap to someone who does not See. This is what we're changing.

EDIT: It also needs to be presentable. My school has a studio and they do morning video announcements. This is sent over the network to all projectors. Now stop and think a moment: If your school could do the same thing, is it good enough to put your name on it and have the entire student body see? I had trouble letting my video teacher play some of my videos in front of my small class because I was afraid of the riddicule I'd get from other highschool students.

Irayo Tawtute_tsamsiyu. You quite right it does need to hit the mark. Sometimes picture quality doesn't need to be the ultimate goal though. The story that is told through creative editing is what can really captivate people. For this particular project one of the important aspects, as well as the story, is the fact that it would be created by people from around the world. To me that sends a strong message itself in that we are all in this together to look after our home. Keep your thoughts coming in.

For anyone wants to see the sort of videos I do feel free to look at my You Tube page: YouTube - alanlmsca's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/alanlmsca)

There is a fair bit on railways on there, but also some documentary type stuff as well as music videos and a computer animation I did.

So far we have the following team for folks who have said they are up for contributing:
Tirol
Tap
Electrosphere11
Madman
Jake's Mango
Keiraak
Unil Makto
Twatute_Tsamsiyu
Na'vi_Supporter
Sempu
Marley
Theorist
Mother of the Forrest
Oh and me too!

Just one thing I would ask of folks is that if you are under 18, could you let your parents or guardians know about this. I don't want anyone getting into trouble. You hear so many stories in the media about forums and bad incidents etc. This is a genuine project for us all to try and make happen and it could really turn out good...outstanding in fact :nwink:

Finally, I might be a bit quiet tonight as I'm at welding class tonight! But I'll be back (who said that?) as soon as possible.

I've also got two days off off at the beginning of next week where I will be putting some proper time to this project.

Right, must'nt be late for work.

Kiyevame,

Alan

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Lol, you spelled my name wrong, but not much of a problem. My parents don't really care what I do as long as it's not bad, so I'm good. :ntongue:

EDIT: The script seems a bit 1st person, and I think it should be more 3rd person like the documentary. Jut to make things flow a bit better. (Note: sometimes I have a bit of trouble telling the difference between 1st and 3rd person unless it's really obvious)

[Marley]

Maybe some music like this would be good background music while the video shows the viewer what we've done to our world: YouTube - War Of The Worlds ~ Disk 2 ~ Track 1 - Red ****, Pt 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R98cmjfrms)

(0:43 - 4:50 mainly, the rest of it has the narrator talking and I can't find a version of this without the narrator in the background..)

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Some of the calmer Avatar songs from the soundtrack CD could also be used. Like "Climbing up Iknimaya" :ntongue:

[madman]

Some of the calmer Avatar songs from the soundtrack CD could also be used. Like "Climbing up Iknimaya" :ntongue:

would there be any issues with copyight?

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

would there be any issues with copyight?

I don't know. Maybe we should ask?

[Tìrol]

I doubt we can use the music.

[Na'vi_supporter]

We can't without having some contract with copyright owner (author / distributor). I think that it is sure fact :(

[Alan]

I'd like to contribute, I have a decent camcorder and digital camera, and I'm good at editing videos.

The problem is, I'm not near many lush places, so I could probably only contribute by other people sending me the videos and me editing them or something.. :(

Don't worry about that Marley. This video will be requiring more than just lush places. There'll be the down side to what we have done to our environment and also a focus on what we can all do about it.

Alan

[Alan]

I think in general this is a great idea, and I thank Alan for initiating and agreeing to spearhead it. I would like to be involved, but I have no skills in this area whatsoever. So, the most I could serve as would be a general contributor, and even that would probably be a generous term. I don't care about the details or the nitpicky stuff; I support the overall effort. Whatever I can do as a contributor I will gladly give my best. I, too, intend to monitor this thread with interest, to see where things go.

Don't worry about 'skills' Tap. This isn't going to be like an Avatar standard of production :nsmile:. This is going to be everyday people...errr...well us anyway, trying to 'send them a message'. I think the varied nature of the footage and contributions will add to it all.

It sort of says: We all feel this is important to everyone and we want to tell you why and what you can do about it. We care enough to do something about it and make this film together.

Alan

[Alan]

Lol, you spelled my name wrong, but not much of a problem. My parents don't really care what I do as long as it's not bad, so I'm good. :ntongue:

EDIT: The script seems a bit 1st person, and I think it should be more 3rd person like the documentary. Jut to make things flow a bit better. (Note: sometimes I have a bit of trouble telling the difference between 1st and 3rd person unless it's really obvious)

Ooops. I've just read how I spelt you name - sorry. It wasn't intended.

Keep your thoughts coming in it all good input.

Alan

[Alan]

Maybe some music like this would be good background music while the video shows the viewer what we've done to our world: YouTube - War Of The Worlds ~ Disk 2 ~ Track 1 - Red ****, Pt 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R98cmjfrms)

(0:43 - 4:50 mainly, the rest of it has the narrator talking and I can't find a version of this without the narrator in the background..)

I have this 'music'. Bought it some time ago. But there are copyright issues with using music. Thanks for your input though. It might give Tirol some ideas.

Alan

[Alan]

would there be any issues with copyight?

Yep, you can bet your rear end we would probably end up in hot water with copyright issues.



We can't without having some contract with copyright owner (author / distributor). I think that it is sure fact :(

I have tried that in the past and believe me it is a very long winded process and it costs too.

Which is why I'm so grateful to Triol for offering to score the music for it. So not need to worry about copyright here. Yay!

Alan

[Alan]

Folks,

It apears we have been moved to a candle lit end of the forum, which appears the right place for this activity, but I hope you are all still here.

I wonder if you could all have a think about the following questions and post your thoughts:


What is it you want to say?

What is the message you want to give?

What stunning aspect of our home planet do you want to show?

What aspect of how us humans have damaged our planet to you want to let people now about?

What idea do you want share on how they can practically start making a difference?


The reason I'm asking these question is so that I can weave them into the script and also make sure that we are not duplicating.

One thing to bear in mind is that we can not use TV footage and other peoples photographs - again due to copyright issues etc. But I'm sure this will not be an issue.

I await your thoughts my friends in anticipation!

Alan

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Folks,

It apears we have been moved to a candle lit end of the forum, which appears the right place for this activity, but I hope you are all still here.

I wonder if you could all have a think about the following questions and post your thoughts:



What is it you want to say?
What is the message you want to give?
What stunning aspect of our home planet do you want to show?
What aspect of how us humans have damaged our planet to you want to let people now about?
What idea do you want share on how they can practically start making a difference?



The reason I'm asking these question is so that I can weave them into the script and also make sure that we are not duplicating.

One thing to bear in mind is that we can not use TV footage and other peoples photographs - again due to copyright issues etc. But I'm sure this will not be an issue.

I await your thoughts my friends in anticipation!

Alan

Great questions, alas, I'm brain dead due to the heatwave southern Michigan is experiencing. (Compared to the winter we came out of not too long ago lol) My puter says the temp is a scorching 87°F, at 7 PM!

[madman]

Great questions, alas, I'm brain dead due to the heatwave southern Michigan is experiencing. (Compared to the winter we came out of not too long ago lol) My puter says the temp is a scorching 87°F, at 7 PM!

heh. 87... It gets 110 here in the summer. Right now its about 73. We are breaking records daily for how cool it is for this time of year.

[caveman]

YES! This is what I'm talking about! I've been looking for ways this community can go beyond the forum, beyond thinking, and onto real live action. This is a great idea. I actually had one similar, but I'll explain it later. I've worked with movies before a bit, actually working on some now. No expert or anything, but me and my friends make movies quite often. I have a few ideas for this one, which I'm jsut throwing it out there to discuss.

First, I propose we keep it short. I think shorter videos (about the length of a song, or even shorter) are more powerful. You just need a handful of powerful images in the right order with the right music to make an impact. If theirs too much, people won't connect with it well. My school had a student made film fest and the best video was only 3 minutes long. The others were well edited and stuff, but were dragged on. The short one kept attention and interest. It had good economy - lots of information in very little time. Think about commercials (even though I hate them) they do sometimes leave a really strong message in only 30 seconds. Just an idea, but I'd like to hear your guy's opinion. This could be a long movie and be just as powerful, I just think shorter is the way to go.

My 2nd idea - there should be people in the movie, but the focus is on the environment. You don't want the viewer confused wondering "who are all of these people?", but it should feature people doing things in nature, like mountain biking or swimming etc. I guess I'm getting at a certain level of anonymousity (I think I made that word up). Show off the relationship between humans and nature. Idk, tell me what you think.

3rd idea - I think there should be a definate flow to the movie. And we can discuss what it is. For example, starts off with a bunch of pics/clips of people doing things in nature, then goes to pollution - landfills etc, then to us cleaning trash up in the environments we were in during the beginning of the movie. Then maybe at the end a title saying "this summer...be part of the solution..." or something, almost like an inspirational commercial. Ideas anyone?

4th idea - music - gobbledigook - sigur ros....

Please share any ideas thoughts or comments. I won't be offended if you hate my ideas. Like I said, I'm just throwing em out there, but I want to hear from other's too! Whatever we do, its gonna be awesome! Great idea Alan. (BTW you might like some of my ideas for something else....muhahahaha)

And final note on my idea I mentioned above - a movie for sufferers of PAD - the same plot as Avatar from when Jake gets lost to when he meets Neytiri and runs off with her, only in this movie its an ordinary person, getting lost in the woods, and suddenly seeing thebeauty around him. Something like that , but I like this idea wayyy better!

[caveman]

Hmmm, for some reason I thought I was one of the first to comment on this! Then I looked up/down and saw there was 7 pages already! Well, looks like you guys have already a general plan/idea for this thing. I read through the pages and it sounds great. I really like whats going on here - Alan seems to be a good director ;D

MY last post was just some ideas - which I thought were some of the first to be said, but I guess not. Well, still, just throwing them out there but I understand this thing is already pretty developed as far as thinking/planning. Someone said, I think Sempu, to just go with it - its your project, and a great one at that! I agree, do what you want to do. Whatever it is it will be legendary no doubt.

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Hmmm, for some reason I thought I was one of the first to comment on this! Then I looked up/down and saw there was 7 pages already! Well, looks like you guys have already a general plan/idea for this thing. I read through the pages and it sounds great. I really like whats going on here - Alan seems to be a good director ;D

MY last post was just some ideas - which I thought were some of the first to be said, but I guess not. Well, still, just throwing them out there but I understand this thing is already pretty developed as far as thinking/planning. Someone said, I think Sempu, to just go with it - its your project, and a great one at that! I agree, do what you want to do. Whatever it is it will be legendary no doubt.

I do agree that short and simple is powerful, however Alan appears to want to make it into a short "Planet Earth" type documentary (my suggestion). Personally, I like this, mainly because how PE is made, narrated, and just the overall show... :nsmile:

[Fko Lrrtok]

If I can help out as well Alan, I will try as well, I don't have any recording equipment but if I can find anything on sites that may be of help from this end of the Earth I'm there.
I think this is a good idea as well. I think perhaps it could be good in highlighting how everyone in their own particular way of life can help by being aware. For instance any worker could be made aware of a way to minimise waste in their own day to day enviroment, many people may feel a some sort of enviroment awareness can be preachy so they automatically switch off, but if they understand that just little steps are a start, then perhaps they would apply the little steps to their way of life.
Good idea Alan, and BTW I have a good laugh at your humour, lucky you had a link to this candlelit area of the forum Haha.

[Alan]

Hmmm, for some reason I thought I was one of the first to comment on this! Then I looked up/down and saw there was 7 pages already! Well, looks like you guys have already a general plan/idea for this thing. I read through the pages and it sounds great. I really like whats going on here - Alan seems to be a good director ;D

MY last post was just some ideas - which I thought were some of the first to be said, but I guess not. Well, still, just throwing them out there but I understand this thing is already pretty developed as far as thinking/planning. Someone said, I think Sempu, to just go with it - its your project, and a great one at that! I agree, do what you want to do. Whatever it is it will be legendary no doubt.

Hey, no worries Cavemen. You keep them ideas flowing! I must admit I was taken aback by the interest and very humbled and exhilarated at the same time. We're going to make this happen!

I have some ideas in my head along with those put forward here and a couple of days off early next week which I intend to devote to this project.

If we do pull this off, and I don't see any reason why not, we will all be legendary!

Irayo tsmukan,

Alan

[Alan]

I do agree that short and simple is powerful, however Alan appears to want to make it into a short "Planet Earth" type documentary (my suggestion). Personally, I like this, mainly because how PE is made, narrated, and just the overall show... :nsmile:

Yep I agree. My original thought was 10 mins max. But to a certain extent the editing will help guide. I think we will know when it looks right. The other point as well it that we can always do different versions. You know the 3 min, 10 min and super extended edition!! :nlol:

Alan

[Alan]

If I can help out as well Alan, I will try as well, I don't have any recording equipment but if I can find anything on sites that may be of help from this end of the Earth I'm there.
I think this is a good idea as well. I think perhaps it could be good in highlighting how everyone in their own particular way of life can help by being aware. For instance any worker could be made aware of a way to minimise waste in their own day to day enviroment, many people may feel a some sort of enviroment awareness can be preachy so they automatically switch off, but if they understand that just little steps are a start, then perhaps they would apply the little steps to their way of life.
Good idea Alan, and BTW I have a good laugh at your humour, lucky you had a link to this candlelit area of the forum Haha.

Hello Fko. Glad you're interested matey. I bet you do have some recording equipment :nwink: Mobile/cell phone with a camera. Or I bet you know someone with a camera.

I totally agree with what you say. I think the trick is showing people what little steps they can take to make a difference, which can turn into larger steps in the long run. Show them the steps we are taking all over the world should inspire them.

Happy to make you smile. Its the way to go! Ooo, b*gger. I'm late for work.

Toodle pip,

Alan

[Fko Lrrtok]

Of course, I have a phone LOL stupid me,

[Jake's Mango]

Maybe I can film a short a short sequence of the building lot just a few feet away of my house. The are giong to build new houses where a nice small grassland was.

[Tìrol]

Wow, great contributions and ideas, all. I have been very busy which I regret, as this project seems like it is taking off. As for my contribution, I am working hard sampling a lot of work and my past ideas for concepts. Until I get a new synth (should not be long I hope) I am unable to really show any progress, but if worse comes to worse, I will license my scores I have written now to Alan along with some adjustments to them.

[Unil Makto]

Just a quick question, how will be distributing the finished version YouTube?

PS. I was thinking about this and I had sort of an "eureka" moment. Its something like a poster. Imagine a close-up photo of a patch of green grass and right in the middle something like a big deep muddy boot print. You get the general picture. What do you think?

[Alan]

Just a quick question, how will be distributing the finished version YouTube?

PS. I was thinking about this and I had sort of an "eureka" moment. Its something like a poster. Imagine a close-up photo of a patch of green grass and right in the middle something like a big deep muddy boot print. You get the general picture. What do you think?

Distibution is an important aspect of our project. An easy one is websites like You Tube etc. We can also email links to people we know. You could share it at you schools - with their permisson of course. I'm open to ideas.

Is your idea a launch poster? I never thought of that. I guess it all depends on where it is going to be shown! Maybe local film shows?

Two aspects that I would like to do it when it is done, is to send every contributer a copy on DVD to keep. The other one is to send one to Lightstorm for Mr JC and his team. We might not hear anything, but at least they will know that the effort they put into making the film Avatar and the message about how we need to look after our home planet, has not fallen on deaf ears and there are people all over the world trying to make a difference.

Any thoughts?

Alan

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Distibution is an important aspect of our project. An easy one is websites like You Tube etc. We can also email links to people we know. You could share it at you schools - with their permisson of course. I'm open to ideas.

Is your idea a launch poster? I never thought of that. I guess it all depends on where it is going to be shown! Maybe local film shows?

Two aspects that I would like to do it when it is done, is to send every contributer a copy on DVD to keep. The other one is to send one to Lightstorm for Mr JC and his team. We might not hear anything, but at least they will know that the effort they put into making the film Avatar and the message about how we need to look after our home planet, has not fallen on deaf ears and there are people all over the world trying to make a difference.

Any thoughts?

Alan

Considering the DVD will have a rather short film on it, maybe we could fit Bluray quality video on it! The only reason that hasn't been done yet is because the 2 hour long films on DVD's takes up extra space so producers compromise by lowering the resolution. Basically, since (like I said a bit earlier) we have a short film and unused space, we could use that space for a higher res/quality picture! :nsmile:

Smarticles...

[Alan]

Considering the DVD will have a rather short film on it, maybe we could fit Bluray quality video on it! The only reason that hasn't been done yet is because the 2 hour long films on DVD's takes up extra space so producers compromise by lowering the resolution. Basically, since (like I said a bit earlier) we have a short film and unused space, we could use that space for a higher res/quality picture! :nsmile:

Smarticles...

Well, your quite right. As with all films there are bits that end up on the cutting room floor. So what I thought was that the DVD could contain the final version and also an 'extended version', plus perhaps the stuff that wasn't used too. I suspect we will still be able to get a good quality copy on to a DVD.

By the way what are Smarticles? We have smarties over here which are sweats/candy.

Alan

[Tìrol]

Digital media is only as good as its source. I can record on a phone them make it blue ray resolution and it will still look like a phone. :) We would need a high resolution camera to do such shots, and that is not really in our agenda I am assuming. If so, great, but it is not needed. The message and timing will trump the quality.

[Unil Makto]

Distibution is an important aspect of our project. An easy one is websites like You Tube etc. We can also email links to people we know. You could share it at you schools - with their permisson of course. I'm open to ideas.

Is your idea a launch poster? I never thought of that. I guess it all depends on where it is going to be shown! Maybe local film shows?

Two aspects that I would like to do it when it is done, is to send every contributer a copy on DVD to keep. The other one is to send one to Lightstorm for Mr JC and his team. We might not hear anything, but at least they will know that the effort they put into making the film Avatar and the message about how we need to look after our home planet, has not fallen on deaf ears and there are people all over the world trying to make a difference.

Any thoughts?

Alan

Kaltxì Alan, yes I'm guessing that if we would be releasing a DVD we would need some sort of cover for it so that's one application other than that I'm not sure, I think you're right we could go into more detail once we've done some actual work these were just some thoughts based on the description you made. I love the idea of sending a copy to JC, should we perhaps contact some environmental organizations as well?

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Well, your quite right. As with all films there are bits that end up on the cutting room floor. So what I thought was that the DVD could contain the final version and also an 'extended version', plus perhaps the stuff that wasn't used too. I suspect we will still be able to get a good quality copy on to a DVD.

By the way what are Smarticles? We have smarties over here which are sweats/candy.

Alan

Smarticles are the smart brain cells. LOL.


Digital media is only as good as its source. I can record on a phone them make it blue ray resolution and it will still look like a phone. :) We would need a high resolution camera to do such shots, and that is not really in our agenda I am assuming. If so, great, but it is not needed. The message and timing will trump the quality.

Yes, I know. I may be able to get an HD camera for a bit, maybe a week, but I'll have to do near constant shooting to make my time with it worth while, something I can't do as of right now. (HS exams) If we have mostly HD video, then we could render the project in HD. On the other hand, if we have stuff around 720x480 (standard) we may just render at that setting and loose the HD video I record. However, we shouldn't render in phone camera quality cuz that will suck. :ntongue:

Simply put, if we have lots of HD video, we render in HD. If we don't have lots, or none at all, we do standard res, 720x480 square-ish, or normal DVD quality at 640x480 widescreen-ish.

Yes, the message should be the focus, but quality also plays a big factor. Think of it this way: Avatar has a powerful message, but if we watched it at 320x240 the first time, would we still think the same of it as we do now?

EDIT: I'm actually having fun just talking about this! :nsmile:

[Alan]

Kaltxì Alan, yes I'm guessing that if we would be releasing a DVD we would need some sort of cover for it so that's one application other than that I'm not sure, I think you're right we could go into more detail once we've done some actual work these were just some thoughts based on the description you made. I love the idea of sending a copy to JC, should we perhaps contact some environmental organizations as well?

Kaltaxi too. I hadn't thought of a DVD cover or sending to the various environment organisations. Great ideas, tsmukan.

Alan

[Alan]

Smarticles are the smart brain cells. LOL.

Simply put, if we have lots of HD video, we render in HD. If we don't have lots, or none at all, we do standard res, 720x480 square-ish, or normal DVD quality at 640x480 widescreen-ish.

EDIT: I'm actually having fun just talking about this! :nsmile:

Smarticles eh? No wonder I haven't heard of 'em then :nsmile:

Rendering quality can be sorted later as that is just a few clicks of a button. Of course we need to shoot in the best quality possible, but as I said I'm not adverse to footage done on a mobile phone, if it gets the message across.

Glad you're enjoying the ride. I hope we all will.

Alan

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

New idea:

Project section managers! Instead of Alan trying to do the whole thing, how about we assign "manager" titles to various aspects of this. Like video manager, audio manager, photo manager, resource manager etc... Alan would be a CEO, so to speak. Then one who has the final say in what the various managers propose to him.

For instance, I'd like to be an audio/soundtrack manager. I'm making a list of all the songs that seem happy and summer-ish, and I've been scouring the net looking for them to propose for the project.

Right now I'm at school, so I'll have more when I get home. Here's my proposal that I whipped up in the lunch room:
1. Avatar OST (I don't think we'll have copyright issues as long as we don't make money for profit)
2. Avatar trailer soundtrack (the music in this is good too)
3. Israel Kamakawiwo'ole (Hawaiian guy with a nice voice)
4. Songs proposed by others in the previous pages of the thread (I haven't reviewed these yet)
5. More later...

EDIT: I would also like to manage (or vice manage) photos and video. But again, it's all up to Allen who does what, and how the project ends.

I get excited thinking about managing the audio/video/still shots! It's like the biggest multimedia project I never had in school!

[Unil Makto]

New idea:

Project section managers! Instead of Alan trying to do the whole thing, how about we assign "manager" titles to various aspects of this. Like video manager, audio manager, photo manager, resource manager etc... Alan would be a CEO, so to speak. Then one who has the final say in what the various managers propose to him.

For instance, I'd like to be an audio/soundtrack manager. I'm making a list of all the songs that seem happy and summer-ish, and I've been scouring the net looking for them to propose for the project.

Right now I'm at school, so I'll have more when I get home. Here's my proposal that I whipped up in the lunch room:
1. Avatar OST (I don't think we'll have copyright issues as long as we don't make money for profit)
2. Avatar trailer soundtrack (the music in this is good too)
3. Israel Kamakawiwo'ole (Hawaiian guy with a nice voice)
4. Songs proposed by others in the previous pages of the thread (I haven't reviewed these yet)
5. More later...

EDIT: I would also like to manage (or vice manage) photos and video. But again, it's all up to Allen who does what, and how the project ends.

I get excited thinking about managing the audio/video/still shots! It's like the biggest multimedia project I never had in school!

Oh, I love Israel Kamakawiwo'ole then man had a great voice! You can add Keali'i Reichel to that list. These would certainly fit it nicely with the theme!

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Oh, I love Israel Kamakawiwo'ole then man had a great voice! You can add Keali'i Reichel to that list. These would certainly fit it nicely with the theme!

Will do later at home, meh class is almost over.

[Alan]

New idea:

Project section managers! Instead of Alan trying to do the whole thing, how about we assign "manager" titles to various aspects of this. Like video manager, audio manager, photo manager, resource manager etc... Alan would be a CEO, so to speak. Then one who has the final say in what the various managers propose to him.

For instance, I'd like to be an audio/soundtrack manager. I'm making a list of all the songs that seem happy and summer-ish, and I've been scouring the net looking for them to propose for the project.

Right now I'm at school, so I'll have more when I get home. Here's my proposal that I whipped up in the lunch room:
1. Avatar OST (I don't think we'll have copyright issues as long as we don't make money for profit)
2. Avatar trailer soundtrack (the music in this is good too)
3. Israel Kamakawiwo'ole (Hawaiian guy with a nice voice)
4. Songs proposed by others in the previous pages of the thread (I haven't reviewed these yet)
5. More later...

EDIT: I would also like to manage (or vice manage) photos and video. But again, it's all up to Allen who does what, and how the project ends.

I get excited thinking about managing the audio/video/still shots! It's like the biggest multimedia project I never had in school!

Wow what enthusiasm! Hold your Ikran back tsmukan! I think we have to take small steps to begin with (putting adult tone of voice on) :nsmile:. However, perhaps something you could be thinking about is 'sounds'. Remember this is awareness/call to help protect our planet type film, so we will need sounds that can be used to enhance our message. These don't just need to be sounds from nature, but also human created sounds that symbolise man's harm to the planet.

One very important point I would like everyone to take note of. When we are out filming etc, make sure that you get any necessary permissions, even from your parents if your under 18, and don't invade anyone's privacy etc. Sorry to put adult tone of voice on again. But I don't want anyone getting into trouble. This project should be fun, not strife!

I'm going to be spending the next few days sorting out the 'script' side of things. This will draw out what will be required in terms of shots, action, sound and so on. Then people will be able to see what they can do and get stuck into it. Yay!

Thanks for the music suggestions, but I'm afraid we cannot use the music you mentioned due to copyright issues...like international copyright issues! I've ventured into it in my own country and its a long hard slog and I don't fancy any fines of £1000s!

However, we are fortunate that Tirol has offered to do the music score for us and getting people with these skills and freely contribute are like rocking horse do-do. I did search the singers you mentioned and they do sound ok. No doubt Tirol will be keeping an eye on this thread and can get ideas for the music style and tone for our film.

I can tell this has really caught your imagination. Don't let your school work suffer though (sorry adult tone coming out again) :nsmile: This is the biggest video project I've done too. With the enthusiasm that people are showing I'm sure we're going to make this happen and in the end have somthing that we are all pround of.

Alan

[Tìrol]

You might want to look for a replacement if I do not get that synth. I am wasting precious days with nothing to show for it.

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Music List Proposal

1. Avatar sound track
2. Avatar trailer soundtrack
3. Israel Kamakawiwo'ole (particularly over the rainbow)
4. The song in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mi08o3ynYU) video (John's Walk from the Ink soundtrack)
5. Background music from the Planet Earth/Pandora episodes
6. Tirol's score for the video
7. More suggestions?


Wow what enthusiasm! Hold your Ikran back tsmukan! I think we have to take small steps to begin with (putting adult tone of voice on) :nsmile:. However, perhaps something you could be thinking about is 'sounds'. Remember this is awareness/call to help protect our planet type film, so we will need sounds that can be used to enhance our message. These don't just need to be sounds from nature, but also human created sounds that symbolise man's harm to the planet.

There's a factory near by me, I can record trucks driving around.


One very important point I would like everyone to take note of. When we are out filming etc, make sure that you get any necessary permissions, even from your parents if your under 18, and don't invade anyone's privacy etc. Sorry to put adult tone of voice on again. But I don't want anyone getting into trouble. This project should be fun, not strife!Bah, more safety talk, I've heard this in meh multimedia class.


I'm going to be spending the next few days sorting out the 'script' side of things. This will draw out what will be required in terms of shots, action, sound and so on. Then people will be able to see what they can do and get stuck into it. Yay!:nsmile:


Thanks for the music suggestions, but I'm afraid we cannot use the music you mentioned due to copyright issues...like international copyright issues! I've ventured into it in my own country and its a long hard slog and I don't fancy any fines of £1000s!

However, we are fortunate that Tirol has offered to do the music score for us and getting people with these skills and freely contribute are like rocking horse do-do. I did search the singers you mentioned and they do sound ok. No doubt Tirol will be keeping an eye on this thread and can get ideas for the music style and tone for our film.Are you SURE that we can't use it, even if it's not for profit? EDIT: Tirol appears to be having some problems...


I can tell this has really caught your imagination. Don't let your school work suffer though (sorry adult tone coming out again) This is the biggest video project I've done too. With the enthusiasm that people are showing I'm sure we're going to make this happen and in the end have somthing that we are all pround of.Yes, this does have my imagination my the reins! But don't worry, I'm still keeping up in the last weeks of school. Actually, ever since Avatar, I've been thinking clearer! I can't wait for this to become a reality... :nsmile:

There is a good chance I can borrow my church's camera too, but I need to know when and what exactly I'm going to capture with it, as to reduce the time I have it (reducing the time I have to break it too lol). Also: I had a neat-o idea. What if I could duct-tape a camera to my helmet (helmet cam ftw!) and ride around on meh dirtbike? Would you have any use for that, maybe our need for motor sports that slowly kills the earth? (Can't you tell I just want an excuse to ride my dirtbike?)

I do also have an 8 MP still camera if you need any high res stills from me. Here's teh camera's at meh disposal: http://www.avatar-forums.com/images/imported/2010/05/613.jpg The ones on the top are the church's which I may be able to use. Bottom row is mine, including the still taker which was used to take this pic, thus it's not seen lol.

[Alan]

You might want to look for a replacement if I do not get that synth. I am wasting precious days with nothing to show for it.

Kaltxi Tiorl, No worries tsmukan. If I'm honest I think we will be talking towards the end of June before we complete this. By the time I've pulled something together, folks have shot there footage, then possible extra shot required, retakes maybe, then rough edit. at which point you will be able to really get a flavour of what score is required. Then there will be the final cut.

So hopefully that will give you some time. Also by having you do the music it will make the film complete in that it will be all from us.

I suspect that besides the final version, which will probably be about 3 mins, there will also be an extended version too.

Toodle pip,

Alan

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Now I have a question... How do you plan on getting the footage? My DSL isn't fast downloading, and it's slower uploading, even standard def video. I might have to mail you a DVD of HD video or something... :nsmile: Exitement!...

[Tìrol]

We really can not (and should not) use the music from Avatar. It is always illegal to use such music in that way. We might be able to use creative commons stuff though if I do not get enough done. (I should if I get my hands on the piano). The "safety talk" is essential. As a project whole we have to be to the letter of the law, no matter how small or if we make money or not. Good ideas though. If I can borrow a camera, I live near a massive industrial facility and you can see the soot from it on the buildings etc. The synth piano takes precedence before the footage though.

Edit:

To get to us, perhaps mail or take it to a public Internet place in a flash drive.

[Unil Makto]

@tawtute_tsamsiyu Yes I was thinking about that too, the thing we use on projects is a central repository. I might go through some of my old stuff and try to put together a SDS server. But I'll have to get back to you on this one as soon as I go through some boxes.

On a side note (as I am terrible with a camera, honestly you should look through some of my home videos... :)) ) I would be more than happy to write up the DVD menu, perhaps add some interactive features *rubs hands* to go with it?

[Alan]

Music List Proposal

There's a factory near by me, I can record trucks driving around.

Sounds good...ha! Did you get that? 'Sounds good'! Sorry.


Bah, more safety talk, I've heard this in meh multimedia class.

Sorry, but I feel I have a bit of responsibility here. If your multimedia class says the same thing, then hey it must be important :nwink:


Are you SURE that we can't use it, even if it's not for profit? EDIT: Tirol appears to be having some problems...

Afraid so. I know we could probably use whatever, but If we want to send this around and say other people want to, how shall we say, 'use it', then it makes life a whole lot easier for everyone.


Yes, this does have my imagination my the reins! But don't worry, I'm still keeping up in the last weeks of school. Actually, ever since Avatar, I've been thinking clearer! I can't wait for this to become a reality... :nsmile:

Good for you.


Also: I had a neat-o idea. What if I could duct-tape a camera to my helmet (helmet cam ftw!) and ride around on meh dirtbike? Would you have any use for that, maybe our need for motor sports that slowly kills the earth? (Can't you tell I just want an excuse to ride my dirtbike?)

Hmmm...I thought we were trying to change our ways here to try not to damage our planet...


I do also have an 8 MP still camera if you need any high res stills from me... The ones on the top are the church's which I may be able to use. Bottom row is mine, including the still taker which was used to take this pic, thus it's not seen lol.

To coin a phrase, looks like your 'packing some gear' there. Two Canon HDs and a Sony FX1?

Alan

[Alan]

We really can not (and should not) use the music from Avatar. It is always illegal to use such music in that way. We might be able to use creative commons stuff though if I do not get enough done. (I should if I get my hands on the piano). The "safety talk" is essential. As a project whole we have to be to the letter of the law, no matter how small or if we make money or not.

I do have a selection of copyright free music and also a programme called Cinescore, which generates music themes, but I would very much prefer for your music to be used. It means that it can 'sound' like the themes we like (Avatar, maybe), but be original.

Alan

[Tìtxur ta Na'vi]

This is one of the greatest ideas I've ever heard from this site! Count me in!

[Alan]

This is one of the greatest ideas I've ever heard from this site! Count me in!

Welcome aboard Titxur. You are counted in :nsmile:

Alan

[Tìrol]

Great stuff floating around, welcome to all the folks just coming on.

[madman]

going to be a grip of conributors. Movie is going to be as long as Avatar

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Hmmm...I thought we were trying to change our ways here to try not to damage our planet...

... showing our earth-destroying past-times, so to speak ... But really, I think of it as my gas sipping thanator (the closest earthly thing I have comparable to a mini thanator). It's fun to shift at high speed!


To coin a phrase, looks like your 'packing some gear' there. Two Canon HDs and a Sony FX1?I do not know the model of the Sony one, but the Canon's are the XH-A1 model. :ntongue:

Let's back the truck up for a second...
What do you think about project subsection managers for things like audio, photographs, video etc?... The various stages of making a movie basically.

[Alan]

Kaltxi folks,

I've been a bit of a busy bunny today, putting pen to paper and stuff. I've also rendered a couple of shots. One is for the beginning opening sequence and another for the last shot, but I don't think this one will be used. I have copied the link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIAntTFfdU4
Note that although this is located on You Tube it is not publicly listed, so we can still keep it under wraps :nwink:

Enjoy ma tsmukan si tsmuke,

Alan

[Adee]

Hey, that's pretty good! It could zoom in at 0.27, but what happens next?

BTW, check out The Top Of The Morning by Mike Oldfield.
Gives me a happy feeling, maybe it will give you ideas.

[electrosphere11]

Pretty cool. I think it would be neat if the opening sequence kept zooming in throught the atmosphere and all the way down to tree level or something.

[Fko Lrrtok]

Pretty cool. I think it would be neat if the opening sequence kept zooming in throught the atmosphere and all the way down to tree level or something.

Yes that looks great the zooming in, show the beauty of the earth and once past tree level go to the ground and as was previously mentioned in another post, show a human footprint in the mud, and from there could show the effects of man on the earth.

[Fko Lrrtok]

BTW Alan your last test shot was brilliant in that it could show how large the earth is, but at the same time shows how insignificant it is when looking out to the rest of the galaxy, that looked good.

[Alan]

Hey, that's pretty good! It could zoom in at 0.27, but what happens next?

BTW, check out The Top Of The Morning by Mike Oldfield.
Gives me a happy feeling, maybe it will give you ideas.

Kaltxi Adee,

YAY! Another Mike Oldfield fan! Yep, it is certainly uplifting. Tirol, if you're reading this, could you possibly check it out on You Tube. It might give you some ideas. Perhaps something for the end of our film to help build people up and inspire them into action?

Irayo,

Alan

[Alan]

Pretty cool. I think it would be neat if the opening sequence kept zooming in throught the atmosphere and all the way down to tree level or something.


Yes that looks great the zooming in, show the beauty of the earth and once past tree level go to the ground and as was previously mentioned in another post, show a human footprint in the mud, and from there could show the effects of man on the earth.

Well, there's a good idea! Certainly possible, but would have to do some sort of zoom-in/crossfade-y-type-thing to cover the transitionof coming down to earth and landing with the first on earth shot. Irayo chaps.

BTW Alan your last test shot was brilliant in that it could show how large the earth is, but at the same time shows how insignificant it is when looking out to the rest of the galaxy, that looked good.

Well, perhaps that's one of the messages that needs to be got across; that there is only this one planet for us all.

Alan

[Adee]

Great ideas! So, what would be the first earth shot? Will it focus on the beauty of Earth or ...?

I'm not even sure what I'm asking here, I have yet to read the whole thread. :P

[Alan]

Great ideas! So, what would be the first earth shot? Will it focus on the beauty of Earth or ...?

I'm not even sure what I'm asking here, I have yet to read the whole thread. :P

Well the script is being worked on at the moment. The idea is that when it is posted, folks will be able to choose which bit that want to film. There will be some direction given in the script to help people with their filming. It will all get collated together, edited and hopefully our first forum video!

Enjoy reading the thread.

Alan

[Tìrol]

I like that rendering! Very professional looking.

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Kaltxi folks,

I've been a bit of a busy bunny today, putting pen to paper and stuff. I've also rendered a couple of shots. One is for the beginning opening sequence and another for the last shot, but I don't think this one will be used. I have copied the link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIAntTFfdU4
Note that although this is located on You Tube it is not publicly listed, so we can still keep it under wraps :nwink:

Enjoy ma tsmukan si tsmuke,

Alan

Wow! That's way better than I ever expected. :nsmile: Nice, keep it up... :nsmile::ntongue:

[Adee]

Okay, I've read a few pages now and I want to say something. I think we should definitely NOT use anything Avatar-related in the video.
No quotes or music from the soundtrack. I think it would give the wrong idea, people wouldn't take this seriously.

So, how long would the video be? Are we talking about 10 minutes or over an hour?

[Alan]

I like that rendering! Very professional looking.

Thanks Tirol. Hopefully it might help you on the music front. Sort of a soft build up as the Earth comes into view, then a 'BAM' as the sun clears the horizon and the music continues to build..maybe. Duno. Just an idea.


Wow! That's way better than I ever expected. :nsmile: Nice, keep it up... :nsmile::ntongue:

Glad you liked it. It's the same model I used for my pictogram. It took me a few goes the get the camera movement right. Sometimes it would go into the planet - not good!

Alan

[Alan]

Okay, I've read a few pages now and I want to say something. I think we should definitely NOT use anything Avatar-related in the video.
No quotes or music from the soundtrack. I think it would give the wrong idea, people wouldn't take this seriously.

So, how long would the video be? Are we talking about 10 minutes or over an hour?

I'm inclined to agree with you regarding use of Avatar stuff or lines from the film. One big copyright mess if we do.

As for how long to make the film, well I think it will be somewhere between 3 and 10 minutes. Any more and your going to loose the audience interest and the impact of the simple message about looking after our planet. However, there is no reason why I could not put a longer version together for all the contributors.

Alan

[Sempu]

Man, that is nice work. I look forward to catching up on this thread when I'm back from travel.

[Unil Makto]

Hi guys,
Alan and I have been talking for a while now about adding some "features" to the DVD (assuming that we go for DVD distribution or perhaps adding them to the Arcade if the admins are OK with this) that would extended the level of interaction with the audience. The first feature that came to mind is a sort of "eco IQ" test. I'm estimating a release size of roughly 5 Mb for OS X and 6.8 for Windows (flash, I've no idea I'm not a big flash guy to be honest).

Anyways the concept is that the user would be able to select a given biome then she/he would choose the level of difficulty and will be asked a number of questions. The image you will see on the right would change depending on the user's progress and number of correct response, i.e. it starts off as a seed then gradually matures into a tree with each correct answer. We could perhaps add certain parts of the movie for certain questions, etc. I've uploaded a PDF with a rough UI mockup and a very general use case to the project repository: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SRFPHAR1)

Check it out and let me know what you think. If you are all OK with this I might go ahead and hammer out a working prototype. :)

[Alan]

Kaltxi folks,

I thought I'd give all you good folks an update with where I am with things and what I have been doing over the past four days:

Script:
Well I've written the script! It is with Sempu at the moment, who offered to check it through for me, for a read through. Don't worry there is a section in there for you each to add your own thoughts. The script is broken down into shots where the lines need to be delivered. Some lines will need to be said by the same person. Some of the shots will need everyone to do. This will all make sense once I send it out to folks.

Transfer of Video Clips:
This has been talked here and has been on my mind. However, I now have a cunning plan. In fact it is so cunning, you could call me a fox!:nsmile: I found this website called: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service (http://www.megaupload.com/). This is a free, paid for by ads, website where files can be transferred. I have already had a video clip transferred from Unil Makto (picked at random really). I now know what a park in Denvor looks like! I returned it back to him splattered with titles and stuff. Yay!:nlol:

As for how to transfer the clips, well I've set up the most simple of webpages:Home (http://www.thetaylorssite.f2s.com/). It incorporates a simple to use upload facility. Once a file is uploaded it then lets me know so I can down load it. Feel free to have a go if you want to try it out!

Tsmuke:
One thing that has been going through my head is how many tsmuke (sisters) do we have taking part in the film project? It is kinda hard for me to tell from the forums names. The thing is I don't want this to be an all bloke affair. I mean I might has to ask some of the chaps to put skirts on and dress up!:nwink:...Ok only joking. But I hope we can have equal number of brother and sisters involved in the film. It think I'll have to advertise again on AF and ToS.

Crewe numbers:
I totalled up how many people who have expressed their williness to be involved and help make the film and it stands at 18 so far, which it brilliant! The script has a total of 117 shots (which may vary slightly). This equate to about 7 shots each. If each shot is on average 5 seconds long we end up with a 10 minute film. Finally, I think I'll also send out a last calling notice to ToS and AF at some point to see if there is anyone else interested as well as get some tsmukes involved too.

Camera work:
I've noted that some folks have said that they are worried about their camera work. Don't worry about this! A mix of all the skills will add to an interesting film. What I have done is prepare a few hints and tips for this film, which I will send out to fols in due course. Don't worry if you have to do retakes - hollywood does - on every shot too!

That's the story so far. Sorry for the long post, but I just want to keep you all up to date with where I am at with it. Hope you are all still up for the challenge. Many thanks for your continued interest and support.

Oel ngati kameie,

Alan

[Adee]

Instead of Megaupload you should take a look at these two. They're both free and you don't have to "WAIT XX SECONDS". :)
I'm not sure how big files you can upload though.

Host-A Hosting (http://host-a.net/)
Free File Hosting Made Simple - MediaFire (http://www.mediafire.com/)

So, anyone interested in participating on this project can send you a video clip? What should the clips be about?
Would the person talk about something in front of the camera or just film the environment (s)he lives in?

Sorry for my english, if there were flaws.

[Sempu]

Hi guys,
Alan and I have been talking for a while now about adding some "features" to the DVD (assuming that we go for DVD distribution or perhaps adding them to the Arcade if the admins are OK with this) that would extended the level of interaction with the audience. The first feature that came to mind is a sort of "eco IQ" test. I'm estimating a release size of roughly 5 Mb for OS X and 6.8 for Windows (flash, I've no idea I'm not a big flash guy to be honest).

Anyways the concept is that the user would be able to select a given biome then she/he would choose the level of difficulty and will be asked a number of questions.

Wow. I am really impressed with what you and others are bringing to the party here. This is getting better all the time.

[Alan]

Instead of Megaupload you should take a look at these two. They're both free and you don't have to "WAIT XX SECONDS". :)
I'm not sure how big files you can upload though.

Host-A Hosting (http://host-a.net/)
Free File Hosting Made Simple - MediaFire (http://www.mediafire.com/)

So, anyone interested in participating on this project can send you a video clip? What should the clips be about?
Would the person talk about something in front of the camera or just film the environment (s)he lives in?

Sorry for my english, if there were flaws.

Adee, thanks for the links. I've checked them out. The Host-A Hosting one is only 40MB, which won't be quite up to what we will be doing. However, the Mediafire one looks rather interesting. I'm going to try it out. It seems a bit more user friendly than the one I found.

With regard to the filming and what to film. We will need some structure to it. So I've put a script together, which is being checked through by Sempu. There is a section in there for people to say their bit too. When it's finalised and I send it out I'll explain more.

Don't worry about your english. It's probably better than mine and I'm an English man:nlol:

Thanks for finding the other downloads sites.

Alan

[Unil Makto]

Wow. I am really impressed with what you and others are bringing to the party here. This is getting better all the time.

Irayo Sempu,
glad you liked it. I'm really excited about this project, I've got a feeling that it's going to turn out great!

[This one goes to eleven]

Hi guys, just catching up on this thread. Overall, I'm stoked about the direction of this project. =) Most of my questions/commments are directed at Alan, but really I welcome anyone's responses. (BTW, my quotes don't necessarily reflect chronological order.)


Like all films there would have to be a beginning, middle and end. My initial thoughts are that there would be a few set words at the beginning and end to set the mood. The idea would be that these words would be spoken be each contributor, then edited together so there is a line is spoken by a different person.

The main bulk of the film would be the contributors covering the issues from there perspective, what damage was being done in their own land, what the consequences might be if nothing was done and how the everyday person can make a difference, e.g from low energy lightbulbs through to using the car less and so on.

It could then end with a challenge to the viewer to make a difference. My idea for the credits would be the contributors faces scrolling up and as they do they would say their name and what country they were from.

I have some initial words for an outline script:
BEGINNING
"Earth. A biosphere.
A complex, subtley balanced life support system.

...

It would then end something like:
"Earth. A biosphere.
A complex, subtley balanced life support system
It is our only home. Lets protect it, together."

Well, that my initial thoughts.

Alan, I like the general idea thus far. I realize that you and Sempu are working out the overall script, so I can't wait to see it. I'm sure it will be fantastic. One question, though: Have you thought of any other ideas for end credits? Just curious. I'm wondering whether contributors should wait until the end credits to mention their locations, or whether each should do so when giving his/her spiel (or both?).



Pretty cool. I think it would be neat if the opening sequence kept zooming in throught the atmosphere and all the way down to tree level or something.Yes that looks great the zooming in, show the beauty of the earth and once past tree level go to the ground and as was previously mentioned in another post, show a human footprint in the mud, and from there could show the effects of man on the earth.

Yes, I agree with Fko lrrtok and electrosphere11 here. I admit I know nothing of the technical ramifications, but I think it would great if we could incorporate this specific idea into the opening and closing sequences (e.g. zoom all the way to the ground for the opening, and vice versa for the closing, or something to that effect). Is this viable? (BTW, great job on the sequences thus far, Alan.)


I wonder if you could all have a think about the following questions and post your thoughts:

What is it you want to say?

What is the message you want to give?

What stunning aspect of our home planet do you want to show?

What aspect of how us humans have damaged our planet to you want to let people now about?

What idea do you want share on how they can practically start making a difference?
The reason I'm asking these question is so that I can weave them into the script and also make sure that we are not duplicating.

Do we have fleshed-out ideas from contributors thus far? I'm just asking because I'm curious what other people are planning to do. I am not sure yet myself, but maybe I'll get inspiration from others' ideas. I live close to the city, so I'm considering doing something involving either water pollution in the city's harbor or air pollution due to heavy automobile commuting. But now I'm thinking that, for me personally, a more micro focus would be better, which brings me to another question: Is this movie intended to display only resolutions/actions that we (the contributors) are actively doing now, or can it also include those that we'd like to see being done (by ourselves and others)? Obviously, practicing what one preaches is more effective, but just asking... ?

Sorry I don't have anything concrete to offer yet regarding my contribution plans, but I'm not used to doing this sort of thing, so please bear with me. =)


Hi guys,
Alan and I have been talking for a while now about adding some "features" to the DVD (assuming that we go for DVD distribution or perhaps adding them to the Arcade if the admins are OK with this) that would extended the level of interaction with the audience. The first feature that came to mind is a sort of "eco IQ" test. I'm estimating a release size of roughly 5 Mb for OS X and 6.8 for Windows (flash, I've no idea I'm not a big flash guy to be honest).

Anyways the concept is that the user would be able to select a given biome then she/he would choose the level of difficulty and will be asked a number of questions. The image you will see on the right would change depending on the user's progress and number of correct response, i.e. it starts off as a seed then gradually matures into a tree with each correct answer. We could perhaps add certain parts of the movie for certain questions, etc. I've uploaded a PDF with a rough UI mockup and a very general use case to the project repository: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service

Check it out and let me know what you think. If you are all OK with this I might go ahead and hammer out a working prototype.

Unil Makto, I agree that this is a cool idea, and I like the looks of the prototype shots thus far. I haven't visited the arcade section of this forum yet, but maybe this would give me good reason to. =)


My 2nd idea - there should be people in the movie, but the focus is on the environment. You don't want the viewer confused wondering "who are all of these people?", but it should feature people doing things in nature, like mountain biking or swimming etc. I guess I'm getting at a certain level of anonymousity (I think I made that word up). Show off the relationship between humans and nature. Idk, tell me what you think.

Have we considered this thought from caveman? Even though he likes to make up words occasionally (=P), I think he does have a good point. How do we intend to introduce the contributors to the movie? Is it going to be a linear type of thing? I guess maybe I should wait for the script to be released before I ask more questions, but I think I'm wondering the same things as caveman is, in this regards.


Distibution is an important aspect of our project. An easy one is websites like You Tube etc. We can also email links to people we know. You could share it at you schools - with their permisson of course. I'm open to ideas.

Is your idea a launch poster? I never thought of that. I guess it all depends on where it is going to be shown! Maybe local film shows?

Two aspects that I would like to do it when it is done, is to send every contributer a copy on DVD to keep. The other one is to send one to Lightstorm for Mr JC and his team. We might not hear anything, but at least they will know that the effort they put into making the film Avatar and the message about how we need to look after our home planet, has not fallen on deaf ears and there are people all over the world trying to make a difference.

Any thoughts?

Alan

Honestly, I like all these ideas, meaning the launch poster and the distribution of DVDs to everyone including Lightstorm. Alan and Unil Makto, you are becoming quite a tandem in this regards. I am getting all excited and proud to be a part of this effort already, even though I haven't contributed diddly-squat in terms of ideas or knowledge! =(


I mean I might has to ask some of the chaps to put skirts on and dress up!

Hey, Alan, be careful what you ask for... ;-P

[Alan]

Hi guys, just catching up on this thread. Overall, I'm stoked about the direction of this project. =)

You're not the only one! Ok to answer your points...


Alan, I like the general idea thus far. I realize that you and Sempu are working out the overall script, so I can't wait to see it. I'm sure it will be fantastic. One question, though: Have you thought of any other ideas for end credits? Just curious. I'm wondering whether contributors should wait until the end credits to mention their locations, or whether each should do so when giving his/her spiel (or both?).

I think my thoughts are I would perhaps prefer poeple to say their bit during the film without referring to where they come from...unless it is relevant to what they are saying. The reason I say this is because I want to give the rightful impression that we are all one community. By having people saying where they come from at the end it will hopefully hammer it home we are people across the world and have cared enough to work together to do something about it. Hope that makes sense?


Yes, I agree with Fko lrrtok and electrosphere11 here. I admit I know nothing of the technical ramifications, but I think it would great if we could incorporate this specific idea into the opening and closing sequences (e.g. zoom all the way to the ground for the opening, and vice versa for the closing, or something to that effect). Is this viable? (BTW, great job on the sequences thus far, Alan.)

I think it could be quite easily done with a heavy 'crash zoom in' type thing to get over the need for a helicopter/camera crane rig to float down to the first shot on earth. What I have currently written kinda gets round this problem, but it is adaptable to a zoom in type thing.


Do we have fleshed-out ideas from contributors thus far? I'm just asking because I'm curious what other people are planning to do. I am not sure yet myself, but maybe I'll get inspiration from others' ideas. I live close to the city, so I'm considering doing something involving either water pollution in the city's harbor or air pollution due to heavy automobile commuting. But now I'm thinking that, for me personally, a more micro focus would be better, which brings me to another question: Is this movie intended to display only resolutions/actions that we (the contributors) are actively doing now, or can it also include those that we'd like to see being done (by ourselves and others)? Obviously, practicing what one preaches is more effective, but just asking... ?

Well, I didn't receive much of a response to my questions. However, I have been able to pick up on the various ideas that have been posted along the thread. All will become clear once I post the script and you all get to see it. I've just got to up date it with the valuable input I have had from Sempu. Some city shots will be required and I suspect some of you will need to...how shall we say...enlist the help of others maybe :nwink: Or to put it in a more exciting way; form a small camera unit. :nsmile:

As for the form of the film/script. When I send it out, hopefully this weekend, you will see that the first part of it is fairly structured. There will be a mixture of voice over type shots as well as pieces to camera. The second part will cover 'what we are doing to look after out home planet'. I have included quite a number of suggestions here, but this is where you can 'say your bit' on what you are doing. The 'third act' of the script concludes our story/message with a plea to the audience to do their bit.


Sorry I don't have anything concrete to offer yet regarding my contribution plans, but I'm not used to doing this sort of thing, so please bear with me.

No worries matey. I've been doing the concreting, with Sempu smoothing over the bumps and hollows. :nsmile:


Unil Makto, I agree that this is a cool idea, and I like the looks of the prototype shots thus far.

Yeah, I think this is great. He's really putting a lot of effort into it. One idea that have been banded about is that it perhaps could be used in schools. We'll have to see how it turns out...


Have we considered this thought from caveman? Even though he likes to make up words occasionally (=P), I think he does have a good point. How do we intend to introduce the contributors to the movie? Is it going to be a linear type of thing? I guess maybe I should wait for the script to be released before I ask more questions, but I think I'm wondering the same things as caveman is, in this regards.

Hopefully the bit typed further above should answer this. It will be a mix of voice over and pieces to camera, which hopefully should marry well together.


Honestly, I like all these ideas, meaning the launch poster and the distribution of DVDs to everyone including Lightstorm. Alan and Unil Makto, you are becoming quite a tandem in this regards. I am getting all excited and proud to be a part of this effort already, even though I haven't contributed diddly-squat in terms of ideas or knowledge! =(

I wouldn't hold out much hope for a reply for lightstorm if we sent them one. They must be completely inundated with mail from all over the world. But it would be nice to think JC, JL and other members of the team got to see it. Don't worry about contributing diddly-squat, that will soon change ...MOWAHAHAH!


Hey, Alan, be careful what you ask for... ;-P

Ooo, are you offering dress up in ladies clothing then? :nwink:

Thanks for your considerations, they really are appreciated, tsmukan.

Alan

[Sempu]

I just turned in my edits to Alan. I'm really impressed with what he's done. This ain't no amateur fan flick here, folks, this is professional material.

I also like how this process is avoiding what would usually be an inevitable endless quibbling cycle. We've skipped straight to the JFDI phase. It really points up the spirit of cooperation that we have in common with each other.

[Adee]

I dunno why you sent me the script, Alan, I haven't really done anything but ask random questions. x)
Thanks anyway, it's great stuff. I'm impressed, actually.

There were a few things I would change though.
For example, I personally didn't like the whole "we saw Avatar and ..." at the middle of the script.
Something like "This video was made by the community of Avatar-forums & Tree of Souls" in the credits would be better in my opinion.
Also, shot #19 would be better at the end of the film.

But hey, that's just me and my opinions. It's great the way it is, just sharing my thoughts. :)

Anyway, great job guys (=Alan?), can't wait to see more!

[Alan]

I dunno why you sent me the script, Alan, I haven't really done anything but ask random questions. x)
Thanks anyway, it's great stuff. I'm impressed, actually.

Ah, well...I was kinda hoping you might be interested..yer know :nwink: Glad you liked it. Sempu helped iron out some of my bumps and hollows in it.


There were a few things I would change though.
For example, I personally didn't like the whole "we saw Avatar and ..." at the middle of the script.
Something like "This video was made by the community of Avatar-forums & Tree of Souls" in the credits would be better in my opinion.
Also, shot #19 would be better at the end of the film.

But hey, that's just me and my opinions. It's great the way it is, just sharing my thoughts. :)

Anyway, great job guys (=Alan?), can't wait to see more!

Well, I was in two minds whether to keep them in or not. But my thinking was that if we shoot the scenes then we can see what it looks like during the editing, which is really where the script gets finalised. Same for shot 19. We can try things out during the editing as well as make a version for the outside world and a 'special edition' for those who took part.

Thanks for you input and thoughts. So are you going to get your video camera out? :nwink::nsmile:

Alan

[Adee]

I'd like to do something for the project, but I don't know if I can do any filming, sorry. :(

Why? Well, I have no idea where "my" video camera is. It's not mine, but I could use it if I'd find it.
If I were to found it and went to film stuff, I'd like to stay anonymous. Would that be ok?

Anyway, is there anything else I could do?

[Alan]

I'd like to do something for the project, but I don't know if I can do any filming, sorry. :(

Why? Well, I have no idea where "my" video camera is. It's not mine, but I could use it if I'd find it.
If I were to found it and went to film stuff, I'd like to stay anonymous. Would that be ok?

Anyway, is there anything else I could do?

Ah, well...not a lot I can do about a lost video camera :nsmile: Ok where and when did you last use it?:nconfused:

As for what you could do. Well there are some voice over bits and also some shots that don't have people in them.

Let me know which V.O. ones you would like to do and also which shots in a PM. My intention is to collate what everyone wants to do on Wednesday/Thusrday and then resend the script out for the weekend so everyone knows what shots they are doing and get filming.

Its a shame you want to be anonymous, but I respect that. I would be nice to have you on the end credits being as you are helping to make this possible, though.

Irayo,

Alan

[Adee]

A voice-over by me? Haha, that's a good one! No but seriously, I'm only 17 and my voice isn't very deep. :P
"Some shots that don't have people in them." That sounds real good, sir! I'll look into that. If I find the camera, that is.

By the way, do you know how many people are involved in the project already?

[Alan]

A voice-over by me? Haha, that's a good one! No but seriously, I'm only 17 and my voice isn't very deep. :P
"Some shots that don't have people in them." That sounds real good, sir! I'll look into that. If I find the camera, that is.

By the way, do you know how many people are involved in the project already?

Well, you may laugh tsmukan, but I had a tsmukan send through his go at a voice over and electronically lowered the pitch. With all this wonderful electrickery I think anything is possible.

Hope you find your camera.

As for how many are involved. Well altogether I have had 28 people from both here and tree of souls show an interest in being involved. I've had 2 and half(!) :nsmile: replies on what shots they would like to do. I've made sure that everyone has got a link to the script, some tips on filming and also on how to upload their footage.

If all of them get involved in the filming, and I really hope you all do, we'll have one cracking film together. A remarkable acheivement as far as I'm concerned; the fact that people from across our planet can get together, without meeting or even taking to each other, and be able to produce something like this. 'Outstanding'.

All the best, tsmukan

Alan

[Adee]

Oh, sounds good. I wasn't trying to be rude or anything, it's just that I really don't have a good voice for a voice-over. Plus, english isn't my first language.

Well anyway, I hope I'm not being a total pain in the a## with all these questions. : D
What about 'spreading the word' about the project? Like, ask for help on other forums. The more people there is involved, the better, right?

Also, any info on the score/music/soundtrack? (I don't really know which one it's called)

[Alan]

Oh, sounds good. I wasn't trying to be rude or anything, it's just that I really don't have a good voice for a voice-over. Plus, english isn't my first language.

Oh not at all. I know you wasn't :nsmile: One thing I've found in film making is that when you hear your own voice it does sound like you, because you only normally hear it from the 'inside'. I hate my voice! Well I think your english is excellent! Being English myself, makes us lazy at learning other languages so I'm always in awe of folks live yourself who have another laugage to call upon. I did do German at school, but that was like years ago...


Well anyway, I hope I'm not being a total pain in the a## with all these questions. : D
What about 'spreading the word' about the project? Like, ask for help on other forums. The more people there is involved, the better, right?

Not at all, tsmukan. Fire away. We've got folks from the Tree of Souls forum involved and if the 28 people who have expressed an interest in making the film do join in then with there being about 120 shot in the film that means each person only has to shoot 4 or 5 shots, which makes it all manageable for people to do.


Also, any info on the score/music/soundtrack? (I don't really know which one it's called)

Correct on all three counts. (English tends to have multiple words that can describe the same thing, whatsit, do-dah, thingy-ma-jig :nlol:) We do have a chappy who has said he'd like to do the music for the film which is great as we cannot use commercial music for copyright reasons, and I'm indebted to him for offering.

Hope that helps answer your questions, matey.

Cheers,

Alan

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Exactly when do shots need to be in? Schools out at the end of this week, leaving me with an abundance of time to read the script, the details you sent in those pm's, and to run around with an HD camera. Also, I know you set up a Mediafre thing for uploading footage, but my internets have a crappy upload speed that takes like 1 hour just for a 500 mb file. So when the problem arises I may have to send a DVD with HD material on it. Just a heads up for the future... :nsmile:

[Unil Makto]

Kaltxi folks,
just to update you on the on the progress of the interactive feature I was talking about a few posts ago: I'm almost done with the question list, so far it has 400 out of 500 questions (100 per biome). I've written most of the code for the OS X version, so overall I should have it done by next week (hopefully before the filming starts). I will update you again once a complete testable version has been built. :)

[Alan]

Exactly when do shots need to be in? Schools out at the end of this week, leaving me with an abundance of time to read the script, the details you sent in those pm's, and to run around with an HD camera. Also, I know you set up a Mediafre thing for uploading footage, but my internets have a crappy upload speed that takes like 1 hour just for a 500 mb file. So when the problem arises I may have to send a DVD with HD material on it. Just a heads up for the future... :nsmile:

Kalxi Tawtute_tsamsiyu,

Well I need people's shot list in be the end of Wednesday so I can draw up the 'list of who is doing what' and try and get it out for the weekend. However, even if I don't manage that there are still all the 'everyone' shots that folks can be getting on with. So feel free to get filming on these.

With regard to film file sizes most the the shots should be in the region of 10 to 20 seconds. I've done a HD .MP4 render of resolution 720 x 1280 (which is You Tube HD quality), 24 seconds long to see the file size and this equates to 12.4MB. So it might not be as bad as you think.

By the way for those who have not got back to me yet, I'd be most grateful if you could forward me your shot lists that you would like to do by Wednesay night so I can sort out who is doing what ready for the week end. Many thanks in advance.

Alan

[tawtute_tsamsiyu]

Kalxi Tawtute_tsamsiyu,

Well I need people's shot list in be the end of Wednesday so I can draw up the 'list of who is doing what' and try and get it out for the weekend. However, even if I don't manage that there are still all the 'everyone' shots that folks can be getting on with. So feel free to get filming on these.

With regard to film file sizes most the the shots should be in the region of 10 to 20 seconds. I've done a HD .MP4 render of resolution 720 x 1280 (which is You Tube HD quality), 24 seconds long to see the file size and this equates to 12.4MB. So it might not be as bad as you think.

By the way for those who have not got back to me yet, I'd be most grateful if you could forward me your shot lists that you would like to do by Wednesay night so I can sort out who is doing what ready for the week end. Many thanks in advance.

Alan

K. I'll get to working on the shots and actually read the PM's and script and stuff. I haven't hand much time to try and make sense of it all yet.

The camera I should be using is 1440x1080 60i so I wanted to give you the highest quality. I think the last time I captured video from it it was like 1 GB per 2 minutes.

Oh, and the YT resolution is 1280x720, not the latter (as you had stated).

:nsmile:

[Av Daedric]

I shot 5 Gb of video, I'll get it uploaded so you can trim it and put it in the video.

[Alan]

I shot 5 Gb of video, I'll get it uploaded so you can trim it and put it in the video.

Wow. That's sounds a nice lot:nlol:

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Alan, I would like very much to be involved with this. I've just gotten up to speed by reading the last 14 pages of this thread. I am quite sure I can help be of service in the voiceover area (female) I have a background in this area. i am in my early 50s, speak English with no dialect. (southwestern , usa) and my husband is a sound Technician (live performance with global experience as well as studio). We have Pro Tools audio software,NOT PIRATED Neuman microphones and a one person Whisper (brand) sound booth. i've done tv commercial voiceovers, convention product narration and the work I'm most proud of is for NPR (National Public Radio) their RRS ( Radio Reading Service) broadcast on a separate frequency( newspaper and magazine articles) for people who are reading impaired (due to blindness or neural muscular diseases etc).AND extensive volunteer voice recordings for the Nevada State Archives. I can do many different styles of voice but not accents (spiritual which is my favorite--- mom next door,sophisticate, documentary,comedic). Perhaps a voice that sounds WISE and ANCIENT yet VIBRANT --like what I would imagine The Earth,Mother Earth, Gaia might sound like. Alan thank you for inviting me to this thread today. Ethereal Blue Being Las Vegas

[Alan]

Kaltxi Ethreal Blue Being,

Wow, well done in reading through our thread. Thanks for wanting to climb aboard. You're most welcome. I'll send you a PM...well three actually...with a link to the script, shooting tips (although you probably will already be familiar with the content!) and uploading info.

Sounds like to pack some heat with them Nuemann mics! I've got a pair of Rode mics for my camcorder. Not quite in the same league. Looks like you do some really, really good stuff there. We have talking newspapers over here too.

Anyway, I'll get on and PM you. Thanks again.

Kiyevame,

Alan

[Alan]

Kaltxi ma tsmukan si tsmuke,

I thought I'd bring you upto date with where we are with our film project, plus a link to some 'rushes' :nwink:. But to begin with here's some facts and figures:


The link to the script has been sent out to 40 people altogether on here and the Tree of Souls forum.
So far 9 poeple have forwarded through the shots they want to do, which have been listed on the script (There are still plenty of shots left to do! :nwink:)
4 people have forwarded through their footage. These are Sempu, Fko Irrtok, Unil Makto and Av Daedrick. Irayo to all four of you.
The footage sent through has come from Canada, Australia, Bulgaria and America. The Bulargarian footage coming from Unil Makto who was on a business trip and when out hunting for the 'Hallelujah Mountains'.:nlol: I think he found them...apart from the floaty bits. No Ikrans though.


The footage that the guys uploaded has had some rough editing undertaken to gauge how it is working together. I have to say it has blown my mind! The effort they are putting into the project in getting other people involved and helping out is humbling to say the least.

To see two people, who have never met, do their pieces to camera in different parts of the our home planet, join them together in another country and the timing of their delivery to be the same is just....well "outstanding"!

I had a smile from ear to ear that I could not remove whilst I was editing just this short section together. Some of the shots are being retaken due to wind though..of the weather variety that is! Anyway, you judge for yourselves. Click on the link below:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7rZJh5wF6o

So for those who have still to shoot their footage, I hope this has given you some encouragement to get filming and for those still to decide which shots they would like to do, to take a look through the script and forward your shooting list to me.

WE are in production. The Avatar Communities's Film Project is underway. If you want to come along for the ride then feel free to PM me and I'll send you a link to the script.

Kiyevame,

Alan

[Tìrol]

That short looks great!

[This one goes to eleven]

Good job so far, Alan! I know I've already expressed this to you through PMs, but I also wanted to express it publicly. =)

I know it's not easy to coordinate this sort of project, especially over the internet and covering all time zones. And especially with a specific timeframe in mind (Avatar re-release). You've been very understanding, patient, helpful and encouraging through this whole process. I can't wait to see the finished product. (Which reminds me, I gotta get you some more footage... =))

[Alan]

Good job so far, Alan! I know I've already expressed this to you through PMs, but I also wanted to express it publicly. =)

I know it's not easy to coordinate this sort of project, especially over the internet and covering all time zones. And especially with a specific timeframe in mind (Avatar re-release). You've been very understanding, patient, helpful and encouraging through this whole process. I can't wait to see the finished product. (Which reminds me, I gotta get you some more footage... =))

Irayo Tap. You're right it does take a bit of getting your head round being a 'producer'! I wouldn't like to do it in real life! It's funny yer know, because I'm on the Grennwich maridian, so one minute I'm PM into the future and the other minute I'm PMing into the past! AARRRGH! Still I can ask what tomorrow is like before it arrives!

I want to get the project complete before Avatar comes out because I just know all of us are going to be in the cinemas rather that wanting to be making our own films - me included :nlol::nlol:

I'm just extremely grateful to everyone who has shown interest in this project and taken the time to contribute to it, even when asking for re-takes. It has left me very humbled at what people have done and continue to do.

I know I need to keep everyone up to date and encourage everyone to keep filming. Just hope I'm not annoying anyone or treading on anyones toes by doing so. If I am apologies.

I can't wait to see the finished film either. It's beginning to come together. As I've mentioned elsewhere I was filming at the sea side on Wednesday and I'm going to Nottingham city centre tomorrow to do some more film- ooo scarey!

Below I've take a screen dump from Sony Vegas, which is what I'm editing it in. The gaps are where footage is still awaited. Don't be mis-guided by the gaps. They are actually larger than shown there. (You'll have to double click the picture thingy to see it properly)
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Once again thanks for your support Tap. Hope your enjoying it.

Your friend,

Alan

[Sempu]

Just found this inspirational video that reminds me of ours: YouTube - Findhorn Film The Turning Point (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO8bnOV1uEs)

[seykxel txe´lan]

is it bad that i am attempting to break a 9 month dead period thread?

[stubydub]

no :p

[Alan]

is it bad that i am attempting to break a 9 month dead period thread?

Not when you consider that it is almost a year since we started the Avatar Fan Communities Film Project and it resulted in this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiFRTu5EtNo

Amazing how time flies....