View Full Version : Tsu'tey's Greatness
05-16-2010, 05:27 AM
Initially Tsu'tey comes across as sort of a jerk and definitely a rival of Jake's. But when Jake returns as Toruk Macto, we see Tsu'tey's true greatness. He has every reason to hate Jake: he stole his betrothed, he betrayed his people, etc. etc. Jake even stole his secret dream by becoming Toruk Macto. I have to imagine that every Na'vi boy and girl dreams of someday becoming the next Toruk Macto. It would be a natural fantasy to have. And so here comes Jake, having literally stolen everything from him. But Tsu'tey rises above his personal desires. He realizes that Jake could only have become Toruk Macto by Eywa's will. And he realizes that he has to put the interests of the Omaticaya above his own. And he does. This is the mark of true greatness. It's a shame he got killed.
Soooooooooooo true. I wish he survived because the way it ended for him, well all i can say is he is one poor bastard. I really felt sorry for him by the time he found out Neytiri mated with jake. But i think that reached a climax when Jake takes Neytiri's hand INFRONT of him and says "it would honour me by translating"...... I would have been annoyed if I was Tsu'tey. But he put that aside and did what was right for his people. in the end the Na'vi won and i guess that's what matters.
But if he did survive then I wonder what would happen. He probably would have felt like an outcast or a loner within the tribe due to how he conducted himself during the time of hating Jake. Maybe he would have left and reutrned to his original clan, or lived on his own?
05-16-2010, 06:43 AM
I agree and ended up liking Tsu'Tey by the end of the movie, one of the little different twists in the story. Too bad he got killed.
12-23-2010, 07:50 PM
I agree. It sucks that he die and he was a great guy.
03-05-2011, 01:41 PM
Jake didn't "steal" everything from Tsu'tey, all he stole from him was Neytiri, everything else, Tsu'tey handed to Jake on a silver platter, both his leadership and life, neither which Jake wanted to take and was pained to do so.
....But i think that reached a climax when Jake takes Neytiri's hand INFRONT of him and says "it would honour me by translating"...... I would have been annoyed if I was Tsu'tey. But he put that aside and did what was right for his people. in the end the Na'vi won and i guess that's what matters.
I (as many here) have watched this scene intently time and time again. You can almost see a hint of <annoyance?> in Tsu'tey's eyes as he steps back when Jake asks him to translate; another sign of the great film making skills of JC. Even with so much kicking off at the time, Tsu'tey wouldn't have been able to totally disguise the turmoil he would have been going through due to Jake's arrival. There is that special point when he's translating when he turns to Jake with a grin: I think that's the point when the bad feelings are finally washed away.
But if he did survive then I wonder what would happen. He probably would have felt like an outcast or a loner within the tribe due to how he conducted himself during the time of hating Jake. Maybe he would have left and reutrned to his original clan, or lived on his own? An alternative would be that he would have a new and slightly different lease of life, having fought one the clan's greatest battles with Toruk Makto. I like to think Tsu'tey would still have qualified as one of the highest standing members of the People and continued his life on the back of that "glory" - if you can call it that.
Such a sad, sad outcome though...
03-11-2011, 02:41 PM
first couple of times i watched avatar i didn't like tsu'tey one bit... but now its the other way completely, from a person i didn't like to a hero in my eyes...
03-11-2011, 02:50 PM
my view changed after i saw the tsutey death scene.
now he is also one of the "good" guys :nsmile:
Tsu'Tey is actually my favorite character, followed closely by Jake. The reason I like Tsu"tey, is because he cares so much for his people and land, and takes it upon himself to do anything for them.
James of terra
03-11-2011, 08:19 PM
He was a great leader and as in film terms a great character!
03-12-2011, 04:06 PM
Tsu'tey, is GREAT :) so true :) Everything he did was right, he did everything trying to protect his people :) Great warrior :) And even though we knew Jake's wasn't evil, he had all the reasons to think so, can't blame him for anything =)
06-19-2011, 09:06 PM
I have been thinking about the deleated scene where Grace talks about the soldiers killing Neytiri's older sister. Perhaps SHE was the one originally betrothed to Tsu'tey. If this is the case, then he and Neytiri never related on anything but a brother/sister level, as it would probably have been taboo. And with the death of the sister, he and Neytiri were promised to each other, but would never have any real love for each other. And, since Jake's arrival, Tsu'tey's life got sh****, by his underestimating Jake, as Jake (the alien) blew through the challenges of becoming one of the people. If this all happened, then poor Tsu'tey lost 2 women (when Jake and Neytiri married in secret), and the second time the woman preferred an "alien" to him. He had a rough time, but his natural leadership abilities had him acting with true wisdom and honor.
06-20-2011, 10:17 AM
For some reason Tsu'tey feels like a brother to me.. i know he is isn't but.. oh well...
06-20-2011, 12:51 PM
Tsu'tey is a true hero and a real man, fearless, strong, loyal,:) and yet he lost the woman he loved and even his life... His death was one of the most touching moments I've EVER felt, :ncry:
06-20-2011, 02:01 PM
after I saw neytiri crying when se saw jake in his human body, and the fallen hometree this was the hardest moment in avatar.
probably because I saw this scene after seeing after twice without it.
06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
I like this scene when he gets on the Valkyrie and starts pummeling the humans http://imageshack.us/m/842/5247/3848.jpg and http://imageshack.us/m/706/1152/3853w.jpg
06-21-2011, 10:23 AM
ye MarkD ^_^ That scene is awesome, only thing I gotta admit it seems a bit exagerated, altough he's like 5 foot taller, doesnt mean you can just grab a 200 pound soldier and chuck him like a teabag... I mean, Tsu'tey is amazing, strong and anything you want, but not that much in my opinion.
06-21-2011, 10:31 AM
Na'vi are four time stronger than humans, so that probably isn't going that far fetched. To add, those soldiers didn't expect him to do that.
Now what would happen if he met a human who was a psychopath? Say, this guy YouTube - ‪The Joker - Why so serious‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQHfoz9Be7U&feature=related) *evil grin* Never mess with someone who is crazy, as people always say. I know as one of my neighbors is a schizo and I avoid him completely. You never know what a crazy person will do or is capable of.
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
WOW, is that a fact Na'vi are 4 times stronger MarkD??? I'd have said double... Anyway, yeah, humans are very strong too, a very angry, fit human, pushed by anger, fear and adrenaline can exert HUGE potential, that's what i love about being human, i know it' true because I get dangerous too LOL ^_^ So many people always look at documentaries about animals and stuff, and always forget that they're human, we are an amazing species, and if they were healthy and fit, and not fat and stupid,living in the forest, they'd be one of the most intelligent, and strongest. Humans are strong, pretty fast runners, can climb, hunt, and have an amazing cooling sistem. This is why I like to stay fit, and learn how to move in the wild, using my body, and knowing it, like the Na'vi. I suppose they're so strong because they live in the wild, and use their body everyday. Tsu'tey is the best example of 100% fit humanoid hunter :)
Tsu'tey would own any human. Originally his name was Tsu Te Rongloa which means "eat the heart" would be awesome to see him eat a few live humans, brutal :D
06-22-2011, 02:04 AM
would be awesome but wouldn't fit in the movie. maybe a horror na'vi xD no that isn't a good idea :p
06-22-2011, 08:16 AM
Yeah, Na'vi are four times stronger than humans. I read it in one of the movie books.
Tsu'tey's name means strong tree in Na'vi. a fitting name given his attitude and abilities as a warrior. He is scared of nothing.